The Invincible Thread

[awwsome]

I don't really get redshirting QB's at the pro level unless they weren't a 1st round pick.

What is a year of sitting behind Bradford, who obviously isn't the franchise QB, going to do for Wentz?

The Eagles aren't doing a damn thing anyway, getting your hopefully franchise QB reps in as many games as possible should be paramount.

 

[stillin729]

I don't really get redshirting QB's at the pro level unless they weren't a 1st round pick.

What is a year of sitting behind Bradford, who obviously isn't the franchise QB, going to do for Wentz?

The Eagles aren't doing a damn thing anyway, getting your hopefully franchise QB reps in as many games as possible should be paramount.

they are following the same plan they did with McNabb and it worked out pretty well

I don't see why Wentz HAS to start, his o-line got him murdered in pre-season, I am good not having him turn into David Carr in year 1

 

[frshstunna]

I don't really get redshirting QB's at the pro level unless they weren't a 1st round pick.

What is a year of sitting behind Bradford, who obviously isn't the franchise QB, going to do for Wentz?

The Eagles aren't doing a damn thing anyway, getting your hopefully franchise QB reps in as many games as possible should be paramount.

That's how I feel ...but they gotta earn it too, if another qb is legit better than the rook (like Keenum and goff) then he's gotta be on the bench until he's gets better

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Because you can ruin a QB throwing him out there too early in his development.

 

[stillin729]

MM8 started last year but got murdered, you can easily make a case that he should have sat last year

 

[awwsome]

they are following the same plan they did with McNabb and it worked out pretty well

I don't see why Wentz HAS to start, his o-line got him murdered in pre-season, I am good not having him turn into David Carr in year 1

Man what?


McNabb was drafted in 1999, to a totally different team and league at the time.

Who gives a **** how they developed him and how is it relevant?

Bringing up David Carr as a comparison this Wentz situation?


There are no comparables except questionable O-Line play.


Once again, actual reps > sitting on the bench if we are talking about development.

 

[IATT]

[thread="651382"]IAT, and the coalition of corny Eagles beat writers want  Wentz as the starter because of training camp practices, and their unrealistic hated for Sam Bradford   .  Can we at least give the man a second year with more familiarity with his receivers, in an offense that actually caters to our players strengths?[/thread]

Not actually the point I was making

Yes, I don't like Bradford.. But that isn't the primary reason I wanted him moved

My opinion is that the highest value certain players could have to the present Eagles is whatever they can get in return for a trade (Bradford, peters, sproles, barwin and maybe celek)

Yes they could contribute to a couple more wins this season , but I'm thinking bigger picture approach.. Get more assets to be able to build around wentz

I said they should just start Chase earlier on AND if wentz earned the spot he should be given it.. Obviously this was before he got hurt and lost that opportunity

Bradford has looked infinitely better this preseason than he did all of last season.. He seemed claim and in control.. Not forcing dumb passes and/or making dumb decisions.. Now obviously there are a number of factors that could be contributing to that, that weren't really his fault






Where I have to admit I was completely wrong was suggesting the starting of Chase.. I have zero clue what dougie saw in him.. I at least expected him to be decent.. Not take any risk.. And one would assume he would have had the most experience/knowledge of dougie's system





Also during the draft I was saying the Eagles should take 2 QBs.. Trade Bradford.. Get Chase as a patchwork starter.. Then could roster just those 2 QBs in year 2 or 3 (thus saving a roster spot)

Dak or brisset were the other guys I thought we should be looking at

 

[stillin729]

Man what?


McNabb was drafted in 1999, to a totally different team and league at the time.

Who gives a **** how they developed him and how is it relevant?

Bringing up David Carr as a comparison this Wentz situation?


There are no comparables except questionable O-Line play.


Once again, actual reps > sitting on the bench if we are talking about development.

there are no comparables except the o-line? that is exactly what the Carr situation should be compared to

who cares if it was 1999 because a lot of 1st round picks start these days everyone has to? why throw Goff out there if the Rams feel he needs more development?

 

[awwsome]

Because you can ruin a QB throwing him out there too early in his development.

But how many QB's who actually have had the talent have been ruined?


Just in recent years, almost every guy who had the talent and was given the keys has succeeded at least until their situations changed.


Cam, Luck, RGIII, Carr, Winston, Mariota, Bortles and Bridgewater.

 

[awwsome]

there are no comparables except the o-line? that is exactly what the Carr situation should be compared to

who cares if it was 1999 because a lot of 1st round picks start these days everyone has to? why throw Goff out there if the Rams feel he needs more development?

I'm not talking about Goff, I'm talking about Wentz.

I think Goff is trash and shouldn't have been picked but Wentz ran a pro style offense and actually can make reads like a NFL QB.


The Eagles aren't an expansion team in their first season with a total lack of infrastructure like Carr/Texans.

Luck had a bad O-Line too, worse than the Eagles but you don't see me comparing them.

 

[Verde Shuttles]

Man what?


McNabb was drafted in 1999, to a totally different team and league at the time.

Who gives a **** how they developed him and how is it relevant?

Bringing up David Carr as a comparison this Wentz situation?


There are no comparables except questionable O-Line play.


Once again, actual reps > sitting on the bench if we are talking about development.

there's no proven formula Rodgers, Rivers, Palmer, Brees sat, The Mannings, Big Ben, Flacco played

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

And all those guys > Goff/Wentz

If you don't think they are ready or are starter material, what's the purpose of throwing them to the wolves knowing that the negatives will outweigh the positives?

Eagles are probably afraid of the volatility that comes w/ playing a rookie QB

 

[CJ616]

 

[thread="651382"]2016 Nfl Discussion Thread/9210#post_26450718​[/thread]

Bradford sucks mane , average at best ...time for him to settle into the backup role he's meant for to close out his career

I guess I'm just one of the very few people who still believes they can win games with him at the helm.  A solid defense, with a coordinator that actually knows what he's doing + an offense that actually caters to the strengths of the players.  If Bradford can't at the least be efficient in this offense, then sure let him go (I'm looking at his situation as more of a "last chance" scenario, while most are seeing it as a "stop-gap" scenario.  Chip's offense did him no favors last year.

@itsaboutthattime  I completely feel you on the future "down the line approach".  I just feel like Sam should get one more chance in this offense instead of just dumping dude after one "average at worst" year.

FWIW, the best QB in the league sat three years.  Rich beat me to it.

 

[IATT]

I see it both ways.. I don't think you should predetermine anything.. Let guys compete for the spot

If a rookie comes in and shows he knows the playbook and out plays a vet, well he obviously deserves the spot

I get factoring in certain things though.. Cause you don't want to kill a guys confidence or literally get him killed depending on the situation of the team






The reason I was open to wentz starting is because we have safety values on the team.. 3 good pass catching TEs (2 of which are solid blockers), sproles and Matthews

Our other WRs are crap and won't do him any favors (hell might be the reason shhh happens).. But hopefully DGB changes that

 

[awwsome]

there's no proven formula Rodgers, Rivers, Palmer, Brees sat, The Mannings, Big Ben, Flacco played

Rodgers sat or did he have a HOF'er playing in front of him?

Rivers sat or did he have a future HOF'er coming off his first great season in front of him?

Brees was a late second round pick, it made sense for him to sit.

Palmer is really the only one and he sat behind the comeback player of the year.


You right, there isn't a formula but acting like all those guys sat because they got redshirted like what's about to be done to Goff/Wentz isn't accurate.

 

[IATT]

I'm with you.. This preseason is the Bradford I can live with.. If you're going to be conservative, you have to be accurate and can't be throwing INTs


But my opinion on what should be done with Bradford was directly tied to the Broncos obvious need.. And now the Vikings obvious need


But then that leaves us with Chase starting.. And wentz not completely healthy

 

[awwsome]

And all those guys > Goff/Wentz

If you don't think they are ready or are starter material, what's the purpose of throwing them to the wolves knowing that the negatives will outweigh the positives?

Eagles are probably afraid of the volatility that comes w/ playing a rookie QB

I think Wentz is starter material and I just don't see how he will be any more ready by watching Bradford for a year or coming in mid season if/when he falters or he gets hurt.

 

[Hahahaha]

I think all QBs should sit a year or two. I wish Jameis would have sat for a year.

Goff and Wentz weren't projected to be top picks. As the offseason went on, the hype grew because of desperation, not because they were the best two players in the draft.

I think Goff has a good arm but he seems slow. I wouldn't want him to lead my team. I'm pretty sure I saw him scratching his head with his helmet on.

 

[IATT]

^ to be fair.. With wentz like a lot of prospects his stock went up once NFL coaches and scouts got around him at the senior bowl






Brees was the 32nd pick.. And I know kaep has regressed immensely.. But he did have some highs after sitting for the 9ers initially

 

[CJ616]

But then that leaves us with Chase starting.. And wentz not completely healthy

Yea that would be 

.  Hopefully Chase is doing his part in the QB room helping them get familiar with the offense, because he damn sure won't be helping much on the field.

 

[stillin729]

I think all QBs should sit a year or two. I wish Jameis would have sat for a year.

Goff and Wentz weren't projected to be top picks. As the offseason went on, the hype grew because of desperation, not because they were the best two players in the draft.

I think Goff has a good arm but he seems slow. I wouldn't want him to lead my team. I'm pretty sure I saw him scratching his head with his helmet on.

Goff was def a top pick as far back as September

Wentz started building around October then he the teams got a look at him

 

[buc em]

I think all QBs should sit a year or two. I wish Jameis would have sat for a year.

Goff and Wentz weren't projected to be top picks. As the offseason went on, the hype grew because of desperation, not because they were the best two players in the draft.

I think Goff has a good arm but he seems slow. I wouldn't want him to lead my team. I'm pretty sure I saw him scratching his head with his helmet on.

Jameis was one of three quarterbacks in NFL history to throw for over 4,000 yards as a rookie and had 28 TD's......why the hell should we have had him sit on the bench to watch Mike Glennon? must be out your damn mind.

 

[awwsome]

Jameis was one of three quarterbacks in NFL history to throw for over 4,000 yards as a rookie and had 28 TD's......why the hell should we have had him sit on the bench to watch Mike Glennon? must be out your damn mind.

I read that like, "what?"


Dude didn't even watch last season.

 

[Hahahaha]

Goff was one of the top QBs but a lot of people still didn't think he was the best player in the draft or should go one. He had plenty of cons and scouts thinking otherwise.


Not gonna find a bigger Jameis fan than me but he needs to sit and work with coaches and watch. He doesn't have to learn from Glennon, he learns from coaches, players and tape throughout the league

 

[100027]

^ to be fair.. With wentz like a lot of prospects his stock went up once NFL coaches and scouts got around him at the senior bowl






Brees was the 32nd pick.. And I know kaep has regressed immensely.. But he did have some highs after sitting for the 9ers initially

We act like these guys go from amazing to garbage from a talent perspective (Kaep, RG3 etc.).  In reality it's usually the situation crumbling around them and they're not able to deal with that.  

We saw Kaep as a star with the best possible situation and become a bad player in the worst possible situation over two seasons.

With an average situation maybe he's still a middling quarterback.  I doubt his skill level has changed that much.