The Obama effect

[nat turner]

AntonLaVey wrote: LOL I love how u refuse to acknowledge the fact that I have a lot of views/actions that are simply NOT racist...

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But you are now acknowledging that you have issues with Black people and their culture, right? You, an immigrant to this country, was raised with and around white people, then white culture, correct?  You are one who is here by choice, then have a different reality than those who are the children of slaves.. So how exactly are you qualifed to suggest what WE should do again? You are only considered Black due to the color of your skin, but your experience limits you in the connection to those that are still scarred by the struggle for equal rights in this country.

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AntonLaVey wrote: like I said go Storm Front stop arguing with people that aren't a threat and are actually making an attempt to do some good.

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The racists who visit forums like that are not really that dangerous, much like those who exhibit the same sort of puffery here. However, you are indeed dangerous, and that is due to the position you allow yourself to be put in. You lambaste Black people for wanting unity and accountability for their own, yet you see nothing wrong with White people living with the present conditions, the entitlement, that they are living with.   

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AntonLaVey wrote: If I were a white guy in the KKK I would literally be the worst racist ever.

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Yes, but no. White liberals can be racists too. You connect with being white, more than being Black. This is not a put down, it is just how your were raised, then the culture in which you were raised, then exposed to.

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 AntonLaVey wrote: What kinda racist doesn't think people should be police profile.

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A racist that doesn't want to be profiled himself, just in case he gets pulled over by a Black cop.

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AntonLaVey wrote: Come on son. Stop pulling a Jesse Jackson and take your annoying preaching to where it matters.

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Annoying? Interesting choice of words. I must be making you take a lookkk in the mirror,

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 AntonLaVey wrote:GO TO STORM FRONT.

 People just like arguing racism and never direct their energy where they should.

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My energy is directed at remaining in good health, and then well paid. Being able to defeat people such as yourself in debate is really not that hard

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AntonLaVey wrote:Anton: Racial and socioeconomic disparities exist in healthcare and should be addressed
Nat Turner: Clayton Bigsby

 

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Just because you admit to the disparity, does not make you aware as to how you feed those who are against a "Black" anything on this board.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

AntonLaVey wrote: LOL I love how u refuse to acknowledge the fact that I have a lot of views/actions that are simply NOT racist...

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But you are now acknowledging that you have issues with Black people and their culture, right? You, an immigrant to this country, was raised with and around white people, then white culture, correct?  You are one who is here by choice, then have a different reality than those who are the children of slaves.. So how exactly are you qualifed to suggest what WE should do again? You are only considered Black due to the color of your skin, but your experience limits you in the connection to those that are still scarred by the struggle for equal rights in this country.

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AntonLaVey wrote: like I said go Storm Front stop arguing with people that aren't a threat and are actually making an attempt to do some good.

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The racists who visit forums like that are not really that dangerous, much like those who exhibit the same sort of puffery here. However, you are indeed dangerous, and that is due to the position you allow yourself to be put in. You lambaste Black people for wanting unity and accountability for their own, yet you see nothing wrong with White people living with the present conditions, the entitlement, that they are living with.   

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AntonLaVey wrote: If I were a white guy in the KKK I would literally be the worst racist ever.

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Yes, but no. White liberals can be racists too. You connect with being white, more than being Black. This is not a put down, it is just how your were raised, then the culture in which you were raised, then exposed to.

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 AntonLaVey wrote: What kinda racist doesn't think people should be police profile.

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A racist that doesn't want to be profiled himself, just in case he gets pulled over by a Black cop.

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AntonLaVey wrote: Come on son. Stop pulling a Jesse Jackson and take your annoying preaching to where it matters.

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Annoying? Interesting choice of words. I must be making you take a lookkk in the mirror,

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 AntonLaVey wrote:GO TO STORM FRONT.

 People just like arguing racism and never direct their energy where they should.

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My energy is directed at remaining in good health, and then well paid. Being able to defeat people such as yourself in debate is really not that hard

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AntonLaVey wrote:Anton: Racial and socioeconomic disparities exist in healthcare and should be addressed
Nat Turner: Clayton Bigsby

 

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Just because you admit to the disparity, does not make you aware as to how you feed those who are against a "Black" anything on this board.

-lol none of this makes sense. You can preach black unity all you want, but reality shows otherwise. There's no such thing. Instead of preaching black unity, try preaching human unity instead.

-LOL @ ur justification for me not wanting to be profiled. So what's you justification for me not supporting racial disparities in healthcare and primary/secondary education. I'M WAITING FOR HOW THIS BENEFITS ME IN ANY WAY.

Oh a racist that doesn't have insurance? A racist that is living in a poor neighborhood and goes to a sh%$ty school? Let's here it Nat Turner, what logical excuse can you apply to this one?


-African Americans/ Africans are both suffering the lingering effects of European imperialism....what's your point of bringing me being Nigerian. You acting like Africans are all living in mansions, in good health, singing negro spirituals and partying it up all day.....and notice the irony of you trying to create a divide between the African experience and the African American experience. Yet you insist on preaching "black" unity, practice what you preach dude.

-A lot of the things you mention in here is you making assumptions about people based on your own racist sentiments (Connect with being white than with being black? What the hell does it mean to be black? I've asked this several times in other threads with this same bullish racial arguments. And how can you expect someone to be this black ideal, yet expect "white" people not to stereotype and expect others to judge based on the individual's actions and character)....This is an ideal example of the black contradiction when it comes to racism. You don't want white people to think we're all the same, yet expect us to all act like some black "ideal" that you have defined and isn't necessarily universally accepted.


-Again, someone who wants to help through his actions cannot be all that dangerous.....go argue with people who actually want to see black hung from trees and bred like cattle.

-P.S. I wasn't "raised" around white people

(literally everything that you type is based on stereotypes, not every black person thinks like you).


Go argue with real racists....at this point you're just doing this to be stubborn. This isn;t even about race anymore but I'll play along.

  

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

AntonLaVey wrote: LOL I love how u refuse to acknowledge the fact that I have a lot of views/actions that are simply NOT racist...

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But you are now acknowledging that you have issues with Black people and their culture, right? You, an immigrant to this country, was raised with and around white people, then white culture, correct?  You are one who is here by choice, then have a different reality than those who are the children of slaves.. So how exactly are you qualifed to suggest what WE should do again? You are only considered Black due to the color of your skin, but your experience limits you in the connection to those that are still scarred by the struggle for equal rights in this country.

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AntonLaVey wrote: like I said go Storm Front stop arguing with people that aren't a threat and are actually making an attempt to do some good.

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The racists who visit forums like that are not really that dangerous, much like those who exhibit the same sort of puffery here. However, you are indeed dangerous, and that is due to the position you allow yourself to be put in. You lambaste Black people for wanting unity and accountability for their own, yet you see nothing wrong with White people living with the present conditions, the entitlement, that they are living with.   

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AntonLaVey wrote: If I were a white guy in the KKK I would literally be the worst racist ever.

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Yes, but no. White liberals can be racists too. You connect with being white, more than being Black. This is not a put down, it is just how your were raised, then the culture in which you were raised, then exposed to.

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 AntonLaVey wrote: What kinda racist doesn't think people should be police profile.

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A racist that doesn't want to be profiled himself, just in case he gets pulled over by a Black cop.

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AntonLaVey wrote: Come on son. Stop pulling a Jesse Jackson and take your annoying preaching to where it matters.

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Annoying? Interesting choice of words. I must be making you take a lookkk in the mirror,

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 AntonLaVey wrote:GO TO STORM FRONT.

 People just like arguing racism and never direct their energy where they should.

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My energy is directed at remaining in good health, and then well paid. Being able to defeat people such as yourself in debate is really not that hard

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AntonLaVey wrote:Anton: Racial and socioeconomic disparities exist in healthcare and should be addressed
Nat Turner: Clayton Bigsby

 

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Just because you admit to the disparity, does not make you aware as to how you feed those who are against a "Black" anything on this board.

-lol none of this makes sense. You can preach black unity all you want, but reality shows otherwise. There's no such thing. Instead of preaching black unity, try preaching human unity instead.

-LOL @ ur justification for me not wanting to be profiled. So what's you justification for me not supporting racial disparities in healthcare and primary/secondary education. I'M WAITING FOR HOW THIS BENEFITS ME IN ANY WAY.

Oh a racist that doesn't have insurance? A racist that is living in a poor neighborhood and goes to a sh%$ty school? Let's here it Nat Turner, what logical excuse can you apply to this one?


-African Americans/ Africans are both suffering the lingering effects of European imperialism....what's your point of bringing me being Nigerian. You acting like Africans are all living in mansions, in good health, singing negro spirituals and partying it up all day.....and notice the irony of you trying to create a divide between the African experience and the African American experience. Yet you insist on preaching "black" unity, practice what you preach dude.

-A lot of the things you mention in here is you making assumptions about people based on your own racist sentiments (Connect with being white than with being black? What the hell does it mean to be black? I've asked this several times in other threads with this same bullish racial arguments. And how can you expect someone to be this black ideal, yet expect "white" people not to stereotype and expect others to judge based on the individual's actions and character)....This is an ideal example of the black contradiction when it comes to racism. You don't want white people to think we're all the same, yet expect us to all act like some black "ideal" that you have defined and isn't necessarily universally accepted.


-Again, someone who wants to help through his actions cannot be all that dangerous.....go argue with people who actually want to see black hung from trees and bred like cattle.

-P.S. I wasn't "raised" around white people

(literally everything that you type is based on stereotypes, not every black person thinks like you).


Go argue with real racists....at this point you're just doing this to be stubborn. This isn;t even about race anymore but I'll play along.

  

 

[ninjallamafromhell]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

-African Americans/ Africans are both suffering the lingering effects of European imperialism....what's your point of bringing me being Nigerian. You acting like Africans are all living in mansions, in good health, singing negro spirituals and partying it up all day.....and notice the irony of you trying to create a divide between the African experience and the African American experience. Yet you insist on preaching "black" unity, practice what you preach dude.

-A lot of the things you mention in here is you making assumptions about people based on your own racist sentiments (Connect with being white than with being black? What the hell does it mean to be black? I've asked this several times in other threads with this same bullish racial arguments. And how can you expect someone to be this black ideal, yet expect "white" people not to stereotype and expect others to judge based on the individual's actions and character)....This is an ideal example of the black contradiction when it comes to racism. You don't want white people to think we're all the same, yet expect us to all act like some black "ideal" that you have defined and isn't necessarily universally accepted.

 

[ninjallamafromhell]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

-African Americans/ Africans are both suffering the lingering effects of European imperialism....what's your point of bringing me being Nigerian. You acting like Africans are all living in mansions, in good health, singing negro spirituals and partying it up all day.....and notice the irony of you trying to create a divide between the African experience and the African American experience. Yet you insist on preaching "black" unity, practice what you preach dude.

-A lot of the things you mention in here is you making assumptions about people based on your own racist sentiments (Connect with being white than with being black? What the hell does it mean to be black? I've asked this several times in other threads with this same bullish racial arguments. And how can you expect someone to be this black ideal, yet expect "white" people not to stereotype and expect others to judge based on the individual's actions and character)....This is an ideal example of the black contradiction when it comes to racism. You don't want white people to think we're all the same, yet expect us to all act like some black "ideal" that you have defined and isn't necessarily universally accepted.

 

[shaunhillftw49]

But doesn't ethnicity help in the medical field

 

[shaunhillftw49]

But doesn't ethnicity help in the medical field

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

But doesn't ethnicity help in the medical field

Yes, culturally sensitive care is important. Religious/cultural practices may affect a patient's compliance with medical care. On the other hand a mistake physicians can make is making automatic/subjective assumptions about how to approach a patients based on his/her ethnicity. Take ethnicity into consideration on a case by base basis.


The biggest impact of ethnicity in healthcare is something I've already pointed out. Poor health in most countries correlates with lower socioeconomic status. In this country, this disparity class and wealth is the result of "institutionalized" racism. To put it simply racism kills.



Racism as someone mentioned earlier was created by Europeans to maintain power, it should be taken with a grain of salt and shouldn't be applied to every single human-interaction. However, when the racism as an institution leads to suffering I do acknowledge it.

European racism has also left human-groups in a metaphorical mental prison. Your race does NOT define you. The "white man"  gave it power and meaning. 
    

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

But doesn't ethnicity help in the medical field

Yes, culturally sensitive care is important. Religious/cultural practices may affect a patient's compliance with medical care. On the other hand a mistake physicians can make is making automatic/subjective assumptions about how to approach a patients based on his/her ethnicity. Take ethnicity into consideration on a case by base basis.


The biggest impact of ethnicity in healthcare is something I've already pointed out. Poor health in most countries correlates with lower socioeconomic status. In this country, this disparity class and wealth is the result of "institutionalized" racism. To put it simply racism kills.



Racism as someone mentioned earlier was created by Europeans to maintain power, it should be taken with a grain of salt and shouldn't be applied to every single human-interaction. However, when the racism as an institution leads to suffering I do acknowledge it.

European racism has also left human-groups in a metaphorical mental prison. Your race does NOT define you. The "white man"  gave it power and meaning. 
    

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Yes, but I'm also speaking about how ethnicities may be prone to certain diseases/ have high risk factors

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Yes, but I'm also speaking about how ethnicities may be prone to certain diseases/ have high risk factors

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Yes, but I'm also speaking about how ethnicities may be prone to certain diseases/ have high risk factors

Yep there are...sickle cell etc. I thought u were talking about race as well. This thread is a discussion about race, sorry about my assumption.


But it would be interesting to point out that within races of people risk factors/genetic markers etc vary. Many races/ethnicities that are considered different may share similar susceptibility to disease. Sickle cell evolved as a genetic adaptation to combat malaria. The disease and trait are found in places were mosquitos thrive (Africa, Sub Arabian subcontinent, India).


ashkenazi jews and tay sachs. Rare genetic abnormalities (autosomal recessive) tend to thrive in populations that exclusively breed within their ethnicity for the same reason it does with in-breeding. Diversity is a good thing in genetics.
  

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Yes, but I'm also speaking about how ethnicities may be prone to certain diseases/ have high risk factors

Yep there are...sickle cell etc. I thought u were talking about race as well. This thread is a discussion about race, sorry about my assumption.


But it would be interesting to point out that within races of people risk factors/genetic markers etc vary. Many races/ethnicities that are considered different may share similar susceptibility to disease. Sickle cell evolved as a genetic adaptation to combat malaria. The disease and trait are found in places were mosquitos thrive (Africa, Sub Arabian subcontinent, India).


ashkenazi jews and tay sachs. Rare genetic abnormalities (autosomal recessive) tend to thrive in populations that exclusively breed within their ethnicity for the same reason it does with in-breeding. Diversity is a good thing in genetics.
  

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Yes, but I'm also speaking about how ethnicities may be prone to certain diseases/ have high risk factors

Yep there are...sickle cell etc. I thought u were talking about race as well. This thread is a discussion about race, sorry about my assumption.


But it would be interesting to point out that within races of people risk factors/genetic markers etc vary. Many races/ethnicities that are considered different may share similar susceptibility to disease. Sickle cell evolved as a genetic adaptation to combat malaria. The disease and trait are found in places were mosquitos thrive (Africa, Sub Arabian subcontinent, India).


ashkenazi jews and tay sachs. Rare genetic abnormalities (autosomal recessive) tend to thrive in populations that exclusively breed within their ethnicity for the same reason it does with in-breeding. Diversity is a good thing in genetics.


Ethnicity>>>>race as a better definition of distinct human groups. Racism lumps ethnicities into one larger group in order to exercise dominance over them. 

Still wouldn't let my ethnicity completely control my actions/ values though. But it is a "part"/ fraction of my whole being and what makes me who I am.
    

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Yes, but I'm also speaking about how ethnicities may be prone to certain diseases/ have high risk factors

Yep there are...sickle cell etc. I thought u were talking about race as well. This thread is a discussion about race, sorry about my assumption.


But it would be interesting to point out that within races of people risk factors/genetic markers etc vary. Many races/ethnicities that are considered different may share similar susceptibility to disease. Sickle cell evolved as a genetic adaptation to combat malaria. The disease and trait are found in places were mosquitos thrive (Africa, Sub Arabian subcontinent, India).


ashkenazi jews and tay sachs. Rare genetic abnormalities (autosomal recessive) tend to thrive in populations that exclusively breed within their ethnicity for the same reason it does with in-breeding. Diversity is a good thing in genetics.


Ethnicity>>>>race as a better definition of distinct human groups. Racism lumps ethnicities into one larger group in order to exercise dominance over them. 

Still wouldn't let my ethnicity completely control my actions/ values though. But it is a "part"/ fraction of my whole being and what makes me who I am.
    

 

[gucci mane]

i still get followed in asian stores

 

[gucci mane]

i still get followed in asian stores

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Yes, but I'm also speaking about how ethnicities may be prone to certain diseases/ have high risk factors

Diversity is a good thing in genetics.
  

I think we found a new  pick up line

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by TeamJordan79

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Race is nothing but confusion... Why do we even bother to entertain the establishment media circus with these pigeonholed views against one another.... People in power dont care about race.... It's about how much power they can obtain without breaking their backs. Y'all still fighting over issues that don't matter

Stop... Just stop....

If you think race & racism is not a problem in America.

You just proved his point. Your view is pretty pidgeonholed since he was talking about the concept of race historically and not just in America.

"Ethnicity" is a human construct that has historically been used to divide and conquer or maintain the status quo for those in power.

basically

Just simply because it is used for that function does not mean it hasn't worked. There are consequences to these divisions that still linger-how they matter to those in power isn't the issue, the issue is how well it's worked. Which unfortunately-  is very well.
  

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by TeamJordan79

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Race is nothing but confusion... Why do we even bother to entertain the establishment media circus with these pigeonholed views against one another.... People in power dont care about race.... It's about how much power they can obtain without breaking their backs. Y'all still fighting over issues that don't matter

Stop... Just stop....

If you think race & racism is not a problem in America.

You just proved his point. Your view is pretty pidgeonholed since he was talking about the concept of race historically and not just in America.

"Ethnicity" is a human construct that has historically been used to divide and conquer or maintain the status quo for those in power.

basically

Just simply because it is used for that function does not mean it hasn't worked. There are consequences to these divisions that still linger-how they matter to those in power isn't the issue, the issue is how well it's worked. Which unfortunately-  is very well.
  

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Yes, but I'm also speaking about how ethnicities may be prone to certain diseases/ have high risk factors

Diversity is a good thing in genetics.
  

I think we found a new  pick up line

 

[nat turner]

AntonLaVey wrote: -lol none of this makes sense. You can preach black unity all you want, but reality shows otherwise. There's no such thing. Instead of preaching black unity, try preaching human unity instead.
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It makes plenty sense, for those of us who actually live it. I'm sorry, but their can be no "human unity" until all things are equal. We must all come to the table with equal rights, then an equal voice. As long as White privilege exists, there will be no "human unity"", not as long as "white thought" exists.
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AntonLaVey wrote:-LOL @ ur justification for me not wanting to be profiled. So what's you justification for me not supporting racial disparities in healthcare and primary/secondary education. I'M WAITING FOR HOW THIS BENEFITS ME IN ANY WAY.
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Most liberals have a pet project. It makes them feel as if they are doing good, with some not wanting a people to learn to "fish" on their own. 
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AntonLaVey wrote: Oh a racist that doesn't have insurance? A racist that is living in a poor neighborhood and goes to a sh%$ty school? Let's here it Nat Turner, what logical excuse can you apply to this one?
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Talk about not making any sense....
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AntonLaVey wrote: -African Americans/ Africans are both suffering the lingering effects of European imperialism....what's your point of bringing me being Nigerian.
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Point being, we didn't experience the same thing, not even under the similar circumstances. Black Culture in America is different than African culture. Ours is completely unique, as we had no home to call our own for more than 400 years. In Africa, you are home and you had invaders, which is totally different than what it is that we had to go through. Don't forget the African part in *sending us* here either. I have just as much beef with those responsible for that, just as I do with the clowns in the white hoods right here in America.
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AntonLaVey wrote: You acting like Africans are all living in mansions, in good health,
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I am not "acting" like anything. I am a Black Man, descendant of slaves, then damned proud of it.
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AntonLaVey wrote: singing negro spirituals and partying it up all day
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Wrong. That is supposed to be OUR thing, remember what you were complaining about how "we" do?
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AntonLaVey wrote:.....and notice the irony of you trying to create a divide between the African experience and the African American experience.
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Look who is playing the victim now....
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AntonLaVey wrote: Yet you insist on preaching "black" unity, practice what you preach dude.
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I haven't preached anything, nor do I wish to. I simply punch holes into your argument, which is against Black unity. You don't want that, remember? You want "human unity" before Black unity, which would simply leave BLACK people behind, due to the continued existence of white privilege, which is the real issue.
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AntonLaVey wrote:-A lot of the things you mention in here is you making assumptions about people based on your own racist sentiments
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Black people cannot be racists, be we can be prejudiced. Am I prejudiced? Yup, you know it! I have a right to be, knowing the some people, due to the color of their skin, live with unlimited entitlement in this country due to the color of their skin, then around the world. In my suspicions, I am prejudiced. In my actions, I am human.
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AntonLaVey wroteConnect with being white than with being black? What the hell does it mean to be black?
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If you don't know, you don't know.
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AntonLaVey wrote: I've asked this several times in other threads with this same bullish racial arguments. And how can you expect someone to be this black ideal, yet expect "white" people not to stereotype and expect others to judge based on the individual's actions and character)....This is an ideal example of the black contradiction when it comes to racism. You don't want white people to think we're all the same, yet expect us to all act like some black "ideal" that you have defined and isn't necessarily universally accepted.
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It's no "act", it is a matter of consciousness. It's also not about what WHITE PEOPLE think. Who cares about what "they" think? We know what "they" think, and that is why they created "white". We need to know that no matter what, there are some who are going to want that privilege that is associated with being "white". By having our OWN identity and awareness, it wont matter what they feel they are entitled to. You need to stop worry about what "'they think", which is the reason you fear Black unity.
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AntonLaVey wrote: -Again, someone who wants to help through his actions cannot be all that dangerous.....go argue with people who actually want to see black hung from trees and bred like cattle.
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You see a bunch of brothers standing on the corner talking, you'd call them a "gang". You suggested that I speak with deep slang, I asked how did you know that I spoke that way, then you tucked tail and ran, never responding. Throughout your other responses you use the term "son", as if this makes you "hip". But you come off lame, especially when you are against the unity of those who gave you the dialect that you THINK will keep you current. I call people like you Brothers of convenience. Whenever there is a party, you are down. However, whenever racism is discussed, you side with those who have the power, suggesting "race card". Just look at your sig....
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AntonLaVey wrote: -P.S. I wasn't "raised" around white people(literally everything that you type is based on stereotypes, not every black person thinks like you).
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Black people are not monolithic, I have stated this before, but everything I type is based upon stereotypes? It is you who stated that you were raised amongst "liberal whites", not I! Don't try and pull it back now, you are from the 'burbs, not the 'hood! Be proud! You had a chance to be exposed to something, that many of us had no chance to see! However, you refuse to acknowledge that you are NOT the descendant of former slaves in this country, thus not having the same understanding of why some, perhaps most, do not share the same views as you, on the Black experience in America.
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AntonLaVey wrote: Go argue with real racists....at this point you're just doing this to be stubborn. This isn;t even about race anymore but I'll play along.
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What this IS about, is the IMPACT that President Obama has had on Black men in America. For me, he has had an impact. For you, I am not so sure.
What I am sure about is that because of my own heritage and experiences, you and I will always see what is needed for OUR people, through a foggy lens.
Honest discussion, yup BLACK UNITY, may be the thing that might ad clarity. 

  

 

[nat turner]

AntonLaVey wrote: -lol none of this makes sense. You can preach black unity all you want, but reality shows otherwise. There's no such thing. Instead of preaching black unity, try preaching human unity instead.
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It makes plenty sense, for those of us who actually live it. I'm sorry, but their can be no "human unity" until all things are equal. We must all come to the table with equal rights, then an equal voice. As long as White privilege exists, there will be no "human unity"", not as long as "white thought" exists.
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AntonLaVey wrote:-LOL @ ur justification for me not wanting to be profiled. So what's you justification for me not supporting racial disparities in healthcare and primary/secondary education. I'M WAITING FOR HOW THIS BENEFITS ME IN ANY WAY.
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Most liberals have a pet project. It makes them feel as if they are doing good, with some not wanting a people to learn to "fish" on their own. 
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AntonLaVey wrote: Oh a racist that doesn't have insurance? A racist that is living in a poor neighborhood and goes to a sh%$ty school? Let's here it Nat Turner, what logical excuse can you apply to this one?
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Talk about not making any sense....
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AntonLaVey wrote: -African Americans/ Africans are both suffering the lingering effects of European imperialism....what's your point of bringing me being Nigerian.
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Point being, we didn't experience the same thing, not even under the similar circumstances. Black Culture in America is different than African culture. Ours is completely unique, as we had no home to call our own for more than 400 years. In Africa, you are home and you had invaders, which is totally different than what it is that we had to go through. Don't forget the African part in *sending us* here either. I have just as much beef with those responsible for that, just as I do with the clowns in the white hoods right here in America.
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AntonLaVey wrote: You acting like Africans are all living in mansions, in good health,
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I am not "acting" like anything. I am a Black Man, descendant of slaves, then damned proud of it.
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AntonLaVey wrote: singing negro spirituals and partying it up all day
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Wrong. That is supposed to be OUR thing, remember what you were complaining about how "we" do?
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AntonLaVey wrote:.....and notice the irony of you trying to create a divide between the African experience and the African American experience.
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Look who is playing the victim now....
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AntonLaVey wrote: Yet you insist on preaching "black" unity, practice what you preach dude.
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I haven't preached anything, nor do I wish to. I simply punch holes into your argument, which is against Black unity. You don't want that, remember? You want "human unity" before Black unity, which would simply leave BLACK people behind, due to the continued existence of white privilege, which is the real issue.
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AntonLaVey wrote:-A lot of the things you mention in here is you making assumptions about people based on your own racist sentiments
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Black people cannot be racists, be we can be prejudiced. Am I prejudiced? Yup, you know it! I have a right to be, knowing the some people, due to the color of their skin, live with unlimited entitlement in this country due to the color of their skin, then around the world. In my suspicions, I am prejudiced. In my actions, I am human.
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AntonLaVey wroteConnect with being white than with being black? What the hell does it mean to be black?
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If you don't know, you don't know.
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AntonLaVey wrote: I've asked this several times in other threads with this same bullish racial arguments. And how can you expect someone to be this black ideal, yet expect "white" people not to stereotype and expect others to judge based on the individual's actions and character)....This is an ideal example of the black contradiction when it comes to racism. You don't want white people to think we're all the same, yet expect us to all act like some black "ideal" that you have defined and isn't necessarily universally accepted.
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It's no "act", it is a matter of consciousness. It's also not about what WHITE PEOPLE think. Who cares about what "they" think? We know what "they" think, and that is why they created "white". We need to know that no matter what, there are some who are going to want that privilege that is associated with being "white". By having our OWN identity and awareness, it wont matter what they feel they are entitled to. You need to stop worry about what "'they think", which is the reason you fear Black unity.
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AntonLaVey wrote: -Again, someone who wants to help through his actions cannot be all that dangerous.....go argue with people who actually want to see black hung from trees and bred like cattle.
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You see a bunch of brothers standing on the corner talking, you'd call them a "gang". You suggested that I speak with deep slang, I asked how did you know that I spoke that way, then you tucked tail and ran, never responding. Throughout your other responses you use the term "son", as if this makes you "hip". But you come off lame, especially when you are against the unity of those who gave you the dialect that you THINK will keep you current. I call people like you Brothers of convenience. Whenever there is a party, you are down. However, whenever racism is discussed, you side with those who have the power, suggesting "race card". Just look at your sig....
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AntonLaVey wrote: -P.S. I wasn't "raised" around white people(literally everything that you type is based on stereotypes, not every black person thinks like you).
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Black people are not monolithic, I have stated this before, but everything I type is based upon stereotypes? It is you who stated that you were raised amongst "liberal whites", not I! Don't try and pull it back now, you are from the 'burbs, not the 'hood! Be proud! You had a chance to be exposed to something, that many of us had no chance to see! However, you refuse to acknowledge that you are NOT the descendant of former slaves in this country, thus not having the same understanding of why some, perhaps most, do not share the same views as you, on the Black experience in America.
______

AntonLaVey wrote: Go argue with real racists....at this point you're just doing this to be stubborn. This isn;t even about race anymore but I'll play along.
______

What this IS about, is the IMPACT that President Obama has had on Black men in America. For me, he has had an impact. For you, I am not so sure.
What I am sure about is that because of my own heritage and experiences, you and I will always see what is needed for OUR people, through a foggy lens.
Honest discussion, yup BLACK UNITY, may be the thing that might ad clarity. 

  

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

AntonLaVey wrote: -lol none of this makes sense. You can preach black unity all you want, but reality shows otherwise. There's no such thing. Instead of preaching black unity, try preaching human unity instead.
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It makes plenty sense, for those of us who actually live it. I'm sorry, but their can be no "human unity" until all things are equal. We must all come to the table with equal rights, then an equal voice. As long as White privilege exists, there will be no "human unity"", not as long as "white thought" exists.
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AntonLaVey wrote:-LOL @ ur justification for me not wanting to be profiled. So what's you justification for me not supporting racial disparities in healthcare and primary/secondary education. I'M WAITING FOR HOW THIS BENEFITS ME IN ANY WAY.
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Most liberals have a pet project. It makes them feel as if they are doing good, with some not wanting a people to learn to "fish" on their own. 
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AntonLaVey wrote: Oh a racist that doesn't have insurance? A racist that is living in a poor neighborhood and goes to a sh%$ty school? Let's here it Nat Turner, what logical excuse can you apply to this one?
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Talk about not making any sense....
_______

AntonLaVey wrote: -African Americans/ Africans are both suffering the lingering effects of European imperialism....what's your point of bringing me being Nigerian.
_______

Point being, we didn't experience the same thing, not even under the similar circumstances. Black Culture in America is different than African culture. Ours is completely unique, as we had no home to call our own for more than 400 years. In Africa, you are home and you had invaders, which is totally different than what it is that we had to go through. Don't forget the African part in *sending us* here either. I have just as much beef with those responsible for that, just as I do with the clowns in the white hoods right here in America.
_______

AntonLaVey wrote: You acting like Africans are all living in mansions, in good health,
_______

I am not "acting" like anything. I am a Black Man, descendant of slaves, then damned proud of it.
_______

AntonLaVey wrote: singing negro spirituals and partying it up all day
_______

Wrong. That is supposed to be OUR thing, remember what you were complaining about how "we" do?
_______

AntonLaVey wrote:.....and notice the irony of you trying to create a divide between the African experience and the African American experience.
______

Look who is playing the victim now....
______

AntonLaVey wrote: Yet you insist on preaching "black" unity, practice what you preach dude.
______

I haven't preached anything, nor do I wish to. I simply punch holes into your argument, which is against Black unity. You don't want that, remember? You want "human unity" before Black unity, which would simply leave BLACK people behind, due to the continued existence of white privilege, which is the real issue.
______

AntonLaVey wrote:-A lot of the things you mention in here is you making assumptions about people based on your own racist sentiments
______

Black people cannot be racists, be we can be prejudiced. Am I prejudiced? Yup, you know it! I have a right to be, knowing the some people, due to the color of their skin, live with unlimited entitlement in this country due to the color of their skin, then around the world. In my suspicions, I am prejudiced. In my actions, I am human.
______

AntonLaVey wroteConnect with being white than with being black? What the hell does it mean to be black?
_______

If you don't know, you don't know.
_______

AntonLaVey wrote: I've asked this several times in other threads with this same bullish racial arguments. And how can you expect someone to be this black ideal, yet expect "white" people not to stereotype and expect others to judge based on the individual's actions and character)....This is an ideal example of the black contradiction when it comes to racism. You don't want white people to think we're all the same, yet expect us to all act like some black "ideal" that you have defined and isn't necessarily universally accepted.
_______

It's no "act", it is a matter of consciousness. It's also not about what WHITE PEOPLE think. Who cares about what "they" think? We know what "they" think, and that is why they created "white". We need to know that no matter what, there are some who are going to want that privilege that is associated with being "white". By having our OWN identity and awareness, it wont matter what they feel they are entitled to. You need to stop worry about what "'they think", which is the reason you fear Black unity.
______

AntonLaVey wrote: -Again, someone who wants to help through his actions cannot be all that dangerous.....go argue with people who actually want to see black hung from trees and bred like cattle.
_____

You see a bunch of brothers standing on the corner talking, you'd call them a "gang". You suggested that I speak with deep slang, I asked how did you know that I spoke that way, then you tucked tail and ran, never responding. Throughout your other responses you use the term "son", as if this makes you "hip". But you come off lame, especially when you are against the unity of those who gave you the dialect that you THINK will keep you current. I call people like you Brothers of convenience. Whenever there is a party, you are down. However, whenever racism is discussed, you side with those who have the power, suggesting "race card". Just look at your sig....
______

AntonLaVey wrote: -P.S. I wasn't "raised" around white people(literally everything that you type is based on stereotypes, not every black person thinks like you).
______

Black people are not monolithic, I have stated this before, but everything I type is based upon stereotypes? It is you who stated that you were raised amongst "liberal whites", not I! Don't try and pull it back now, you are from the 'burbs, not the 'hood! Be proud! You had a chance to be exposed to something, that many of us had no chance to see! However, you refuse to acknowledge that you are NOT the descendant of former slaves in this country, thus not having the same understanding of why some, perhaps most, do not share the same views as you, on the Black experience in America.
______

AntonLaVey wrote: Go argue with real racists....at this point you're just doing this to be stubborn. This isn;t even about race anymore but I'll play along.
______

What this IS about, is the IMPACT that President Obama has had on Black men in America. For me, he has had an impact. For you, I am not so sure.
What I am sure about is that because of my own heritage and experiences, you and I will always see what is needed for OUR people, through a foggy lens.
Honest discussion, yup BLACK UNITY, may be the thing that might ad clarity. 

  

  

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

AntonLaVey wrote: -lol none of this makes sense. You can preach black unity all you want, but reality shows otherwise. There's no such thing. Instead of preaching black unity, try preaching human unity instead.
_______

It makes plenty sense, for those of us who actually live it. I'm sorry, but their can be no "human unity" until all things are equal. We must all come to the table with equal rights, then an equal voice. As long as White privilege exists, there will be no "human unity"", not as long as "white thought" exists.
_______

AntonLaVey wrote:-LOL @ ur justification for me not wanting to be profiled. So what's you justification for me not supporting racial disparities in healthcare and primary/secondary education. I'M WAITING FOR HOW THIS BENEFITS ME IN ANY WAY.
_______

Most liberals have a pet project. It makes them feel as if they are doing good, with some not wanting a people to learn to "fish" on their own. 
_______

AntonLaVey wrote: Oh a racist that doesn't have insurance? A racist that is living in a poor neighborhood and goes to a sh%$ty school? Let's here it Nat Turner, what logical excuse can you apply to this one?
_______

Talk about not making any sense....
_______

AntonLaVey wrote: -African Americans/ Africans are both suffering the lingering effects of European imperialism....what's your point of bringing me being Nigerian.
_______

Point being, we didn't experience the same thing, not even under the similar circumstances. Black Culture in America is different than African culture. Ours is completely unique, as we had no home to call our own for more than 400 years. In Africa, you are home and you had invaders, which is totally different than what it is that we had to go through. Don't forget the African part in *sending us* here either. I have just as much beef with those responsible for that, just as I do with the clowns in the white hoods right here in America.
_______

AntonLaVey wrote: You acting like Africans are all living in mansions, in good health,
_______

I am not "acting" like anything. I am a Black Man, descendant of slaves, then damned proud of it.
_______

AntonLaVey wrote: singing negro spirituals and partying it up all day
_______

Wrong. That is supposed to be OUR thing, remember what you were complaining about how "we" do?
_______

AntonLaVey wrote:.....and notice the irony of you trying to create a divide between the African experience and the African American experience.
______

Look who is playing the victim now....
______

AntonLaVey wrote: Yet you insist on preaching "black" unity, practice what you preach dude.
______

I haven't preached anything, nor do I wish to. I simply punch holes into your argument, which is against Black unity. You don't want that, remember? You want "human unity" before Black unity, which would simply leave BLACK people behind, due to the continued existence of white privilege, which is the real issue.
______

AntonLaVey wrote:-A lot of the things you mention in here is you making assumptions about people based on your own racist sentiments
______

Black people cannot be racists, be we can be prejudiced. Am I prejudiced? Yup, you know it! I have a right to be, knowing the some people, due to the color of their skin, live with unlimited entitlement in this country due to the color of their skin, then around the world. In my suspicions, I am prejudiced. In my actions, I am human.
______

AntonLaVey wroteConnect with being white than with being black? What the hell does it mean to be black?
_______

If you don't know, you don't know.
_______

AntonLaVey wrote: I've asked this several times in other threads with this same bullish racial arguments. And how can you expect someone to be this black ideal, yet expect "white" people not to stereotype and expect others to judge based on the individual's actions and character)....This is an ideal example of the black contradiction when it comes to racism. You don't want white people to think we're all the same, yet expect us to all act like some black "ideal" that you have defined and isn't necessarily universally accepted.
_______

It's no "act", it is a matter of consciousness. It's also not about what WHITE PEOPLE think. Who cares about what "they" think? We know what "they" think, and that is why they created "white". We need to know that no matter what, there are some who are going to want that privilege that is associated with being "white". By having our OWN identity and awareness, it wont matter what they feel they are entitled to. You need to stop worry about what "'they think", which is the reason you fear Black unity.
______

AntonLaVey wrote: -Again, someone who wants to help through his actions cannot be all that dangerous.....go argue with people who actually want to see black hung from trees and bred like cattle.
_____

You see a bunch of brothers standing on the corner talking, you'd call them a "gang". You suggested that I speak with deep slang, I asked how did you know that I spoke that way, then you tucked tail and ran, never responding. Throughout your other responses you use the term "son", as if this makes you "hip". But you come off lame, especially when you are against the unity of those who gave you the dialect that you THINK will keep you current. I call people like you Brothers of convenience. Whenever there is a party, you are down. However, whenever racism is discussed, you side with those who have the power, suggesting "race card". Just look at your sig....
______

AntonLaVey wrote: -P.S. I wasn't "raised" around white people(literally everything that you type is based on stereotypes, not every black person thinks like you).
______

Black people are not monolithic, I have stated this before, but everything I type is based upon stereotypes? It is you who stated that you were raised amongst "liberal whites", not I! Don't try and pull it back now, you are from the 'burbs, not the 'hood! Be proud! You had a chance to be exposed to something, that many of us had no chance to see! However, you refuse to acknowledge that you are NOT the descendant of former slaves in this country, thus not having the same understanding of why some, perhaps most, do not share the same views as you, on the Black experience in America.
______

AntonLaVey wrote: Go argue with real racists....at this point you're just doing this to be stubborn. This isn;t even about race anymore but I'll play along.
______

What this IS about, is the IMPACT that President Obama has had on Black men in America. For me, he has had an impact. For you, I am not so sure.
What I am sure about is that because of my own heritage and experiences, you and I will always see what is needed for OUR people, through a foggy lens.
Honest discussion, yup BLACK UNITY, may be the thing that might ad clarity.