The Satanic Panic is Back?

[jshortt]

You can look deeper into it if you decide to but what would you say the motive for this would be?. Attention as well?



cragmatic

These are the same type of people that claimed Ozzy Osborne hid a message in one of his songs that said "get the gun, get the gun, shoot shoot shoot" and it convinced a kid to kill himself. They're just nuts, and they absolutely believe the nonsense they spew.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

These are the same type of people that claimed Ozzy Osborne hid a message in one of his songs that said "get the gun, get the gun, shoot shoot shoot" and it convinced a kid to kill himself. They're just nuts, and they absolutely believe the nonsense they spew.

Todd said he worked for the record label and witnessed them doing these things. So it wasn't even a 3rd party person saying it.

 

[jshortt]

Todd said he worked for the record label and witnessed them doing these things. So it wasn't even a 3rd party person saying it.

So that absolves him from being a nut that makes things up? Every woman who's ever had a record deal is "an initiated witch?" That's some medieval times level craziness.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

So that absolves him from being a nut that makes things up? Every woman who's ever had a record deal is "an initiated witch?" That's some medieval times level craziness.

I was just clarifying that he wasn't a 3rd party person making the claims but someone from the inside making them. That's all.

As far as the legitimacy of his claims, who knows.

 

[jshortt]

I was just clarifying that he wasn't a 3rd party person making the claims but someone from the inside making them. That's all.

As far as the legitimacy of his claims, who knows.

You'd think that over the years, if this were actually true, that at least one other person that failed or was a one hit wonder or something would've come out and also made this claim or blown the whistle on it. Especially the ones that "find Jesus" along the way. Not even the ones who are hardcore born-agains have a story like this.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

You'd think that over the years, if this were actually true, that at least one other person that failed or was a one hit wonder or something would've come out and also made this claim or blown the whistle on it. Especially the ones that "find Jesus" along the way. Not even the ones who are hardcore born-agains have a story like this.

Yea you would think that but maybe People fear for their lives and understand they (and their loved ones) could disappear if they speak against the machine.

I don't know.

Maybe one day we will find out? Maybe not.

 

[tr1ll]

Aren't some of the things posted in this thread people trying to call it out? And they're just getting wrote off as crazy.

 

[jshortt]

Aren't some of the things posted in this thread people trying to call it out? And they're just getting wrote off as crazy.

It's not people who are coming forward and saying "I was told I had to become a witch and sign in blood if I wanted a record deal," and then backing it up with legit proof. The stuff getting posted in here is straight up...

 

[cragmatic]

I think there’s a segment of people who very badly want these satanic theories to be true, for whatever reason. Logic doesn’t work with these people.

 

[tr1ll]

It's not people who are coming forward and saying "I was told I had to become a witch and sign in blood if I wanted a record deal," and then backing it up with legit proof. The stuff getting posted in here is straight up...

What kind of proof would you want?

 

[jshortt]

What kind of proof would you want?

Something a little more substantial than "ZOMG RIHANNA'S BELT BUCKLE IS A STARRRRR!" and "Taylor Swift is casting spells with her dance moves! Look at her hand!"

I'm with cragmatic on this one. It's crackpot stuff.

 

[tr1ll]

Lol oh if you want the “deep dives” you gotta go to YouTube.

 

[gry60]

I think there’s a segment of people who very badly want these satanic theories to be true, for whatever reason. Logic doesn’t work with these people.

Usually, its people who can't reconcile their belief in the Just World theory (good people succeed and evil people don't) with the reality that some very unlikable people can be very successful. For them, magic/witchcraft/occult practices has to be the reason those folks get undeserved money/influence.

 

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[ghenges]

I think it would be funny if Christians boycotted Coca-Cola over this. It would be as silly as them getting upset over the Starbucks cup a few years back.

 

[tr1ll]

He answered his own question.

 

[frankmatthews]

Something a little more substantial than "ZOMG RIHANNA'S BELT BUCKLE IS A STARRRRR!" and "Taylor Swift is casting spells with her dance moves! Look at her hand!"

I'm with cragmatic on this one. It's crackpot stuff.

I mean Satanism and witchcraft are actual things that a significant amount of people believe in. There is tons of evidence and first had accounts of cults and ritual activities all across the globe. Are you just questioning the entertainment industrys involvement? I guess if your knowledge on the subject is limited to tik tok clips I can see how you might reach your conclusion. I think its more your lack of info rather than any logic or reason you are applying. But to be fair, the vast majority of easily accessible information on the subject is wild speculation and crackpot theories.

 

[gry60]

There is tons of evidence and first had accounts of cults and ritual activities all across the globe.

Honestly, coming from one of those cultures, the belief in witchcraft and sorcery holds to many people back when it comes to addressing actual ills like people dying from undiagnosed diseases, mental health conditions, behavioral disorders (one of my friends here sent his kid back to his home country to get traditionally "treated" for autism). My people believe that witches fly in sardine cans only during the night (I'm ******* serious); some still believe that folks can turn into animals. They believe that planting a hatchet in the ground will stop the rain, and yes, I tried it when I was younger because I didn't know better and the people I grew up with believed it to be true.

Everything good that happens is the work of God, and everything bad is a curse, death included. Died of lung/liver cancer? "God (or their enemies) cursed them with cigarettes/alcoholism." The funny thing is, the exception to this rule is always professional success: if you're doing better than the average, "you sold somebody's soul", "you're in a gay cult" (the most distributed newspapers routinely publish "stories" of gay secret societies and their alleged members), "you're selling drugs/sex/organs overseas," etc...

I mean Satanism and witchcraft are actual things that a significant amount of people believe in.

There was time when most people believed the the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it. How did that one turn out?

It's not enough for people to assert that something is true, especially when they themselves are not in position to offer proof. Nobody ever demonstrated to me how a sardine can could fly, and every time, it was because the people telling me about this magic admitted they weren't initiated in those arts and didn't know anyone who was. But "trust me bro," right?

 

[jshortt]

Are you just questioning the entertainment industrys involvement?

LOL I'm well aware that cults, Satan worshippers, etc exist. Absolutely nothing to do with my "lack of knowledge." I'm absolutely questioning the entertainment industry theories. I'm absolutely talking about the crackpots that accused Ice Spice of "summoning demons" at the Super Bowl because she threw up the rock & roll/horns sign with her hand. gry60 pretty much hit it on the head with his response.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[frankmatthews]

Honestly, coming from one of those cultures, the belief in witchcraft and sorcery holds to many people back when it comes to addressing actual ills like people dying from undiagnosed diseases, mental health conditions, behavioral disorders (one of my friends here sent his kid back to his home country to get traditionally "treated" for autism). My people believe that witches fly in sardine cans only during the night (I'm ******* serious); some still believe that folks can turn into animals. They believe that planting a hatchet in the ground will stop the rain, and yes, I tried it when I was younger because I didn't know better and the people I grew up with believed it to be true.

Everything good that happens is the work of God, and everything bad is a curse, death included. Died of lung/liver cancer? "God (or their enemies) cursed them with cigarettes/alcoholism." The funny thing is, the exception to this rule is always professional success: if you're doing better than the average, "you sold somebody's soul", "you're in a gay cult" (the most distributed newspapers routinely publish "stories" of gay secret societies and their alleged members), "you're selling drugs/sex/organs overseas," etc...


There was time when most people believed the the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it. How did that one turn out?

It's not enough for people to assert that something is true, especially when they themselves are not in position to offer proof. Nobody ever demonstrated to me how a sardine can could fly, and every time, it was because the people telling me about this magic admitted they weren't initiated in those arts and didn't know anyone who was. But "trust me bro," right?

Yeah so my argument was never about the validity of these beliefs or if they result in any tangible benefit or detriment to those involved. Thats an entirely different convo tbh. Just that there are a significant number of people who hold those beliefs and act on them, to one degree or another, regardless of how irrational or illogical they may seem to you or I. Based on your post it seems we are in agreement there.

LOL I'm well aware that cults, Satan worshippers, etc exist. Absolutely nothing to do with my "lack of knowledge." I'm absolutely questioning the entertainment industry theories. I'm absolutely talking about the crackpots that accused Ice Spice of "summoning demons" at the Super Bowl because she threw up the rock & roll/horns sign with her hand. gry60 pretty much hit it on the head with his response.

Well since you're knowledgeable, why is it implausible that some of these groups move within the entertainment circles? Seems like you've run across a handful of clickbait conspiracy theories casually browsing the internet and used that limited exposure to formulate your conclusions.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[jshortt]

Yeah so my argument was never about the validity of these beliefs or if they result in any tangible benefit or detriment to those involved. Thats an entirely different convo tbh. Just that there are a significant number of people who hold those beliefs and act on them, to one degree or another, regardless of how irrational or illogical they may seem to you or I. Based on your post it seems we are in agreement there.



Well since you're knowledgeable, why is it implausible that some of these groups move within the entertainment circles? Seems like you've run across a handful of clickbait conspiracy theories casually browsing the internet and used that limited exposure to formulate your conclusions.

My man, you're being awfully presumptuous and a tad condescending considering you know nothing about me. I've stated it before in this very tread. I enjoy facts. If there were validity to the entertainment industry theories, it would've been validated a long time ago. There would have been some one hit wonder flame out who could produce evidence that this stuff is happening, and there just isn't. The majority of it is hyper religious folks looking to discredit people's success. It's not like once you make it in entertainment you're set for life. How many people got a decent role in a movie, then had to go wait tables or were huge in music and had to go back to living with their parents? If it were true, there would be some sort of tangible evidence produced at some point in the last 100+ years of Hollywood/music besides a random "insider" making a claim every 30 years after "finding God," but without one shred of proof. Hell, even the people who find God aren't making these accusations. Don't you think someone like Kirk Cameron who does nothing but make Christian based movies now would've blown the lid off this whole thing if it were true? Just as a current example, look at Puff. Cassie sues him, proof of the crimes is produced, and folks come out of the woodwork with evidence to back similar claims. No such thing has ever happened to produce proof of Satanic pacts, or soul selling, or anything of the kind for success in the entertainment industry. So no, I'm not using TikTok or casually browsing the internet for my "limited exposure." I'm using logic and common sense and plenty of years on this earth to base this on. Oh, and there's that pesky aforementioned total lack of tangible evidence too.

Again, gry60 laid it out perfectly in his post.

 

[jape]

There’s no way this is real. I refuse to believe it

 

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