UFO shotdown over Alaska

[calibeebee]

Not to derail the thread, but I always wondered why people would believe far fetched gun rights conspiracy theories, like for instance “The U.S. government is staging all these riots and BLM protests so that people will panic and buy more guns, thus helping our political campaign.”

When it could be SO much easier to fake an alien invasion. Guaranteed these doomsday prep-errrrrr I mean “survivalists” would increase a thousand fold if alien ships are getting “shot down” on a regular basis. There are easier ways to induce panic than having Americans kill each other.

 

[TURBO UNO]

There was definitely light coming from it. It wasn’t headlights or a spotlight or anything like that, but more so a soft illumination. Sort of like what you would see come off a range hood light in the dark.

Yup! My bro said it was like a less bright and almost like a very low glow to it. Interesting for sure since it didn’t make a sound.

 

[tomdiginson]

I don't understand how people really believe this is Aliens when it's clearly another country sending spy planes. Wouldn't other countries be seeing similar instances if it were Aliens scouting out the planet?

 

[jape]

I don't understand how people really believe this is Aliens when it's clearly another country sending spy planes. Wouldn't other countries be seeing similar instances if it were Aliens scouting out the planet?

tbf alien is the correct term either way

 

[Deleted member 212461]

I don't understand how people really believe this is Aliens when it's clearly another country sending spy planes. Wouldn't other countries be seeing similar instances if it were Aliens scouting out the planet?

 

[frankmatthews]

I don't understand how people really believe this is Aliens when it's clearly another country sending spy planes. Wouldn't other countries be seeing similar instances if it were Aliens scouting out the planet?

I dont really think its aliens but a camera on a balloon? What kind of tom & jerry **** is that? Like these folks dont got satellites that can look in your kitchen window.

 

[uncalled4boy]

As These Other Objects Have Been Shot Down

I’m Still Puzzled At A Ballon With An iPhone Attached Floating Across The Country.

I Wouldn’t Be Surprised If This Happens Often But It’s Odd They Are Allowing The Media Info On It.

 

[storm2006]

Why isn’t mainstream media making a bigger deal out of this? Just the 3 missiles alone cost us how much??

Those missiles run somewhere between $4-500K each so virtually nothing in the grand scheme of the defense budget.

I don't understand how people really believe this is Aliens when it's clearly another country sending spy planes. Wouldn't other countries be seeing similar instances if it were Aliens scouting out the planet?

I dont really think its aliens but a camera on a balloon? What kind of tom & jerry **** is that? Like these folks dont got satellites that can look in your kitchen window.

Yeah, spy planes makes more sense than UFOs. I have some background in Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) platforms and received a call about this today and might speak about it on a pod so I can shed some light. As far as spy planes vs. satellites, they have different features and capabilities. One of the biggest differences is that reconnaissance planes can take higher resolution photos than satellites because they are significantly closer which can also provide the benefit of a a wider fields of view.

Another difference is that the size plays a role in their effectiveness. An ISR plane with camera capabilities could be as small as a person or a lightweight aircraft that has wingspan of a 747. Whereas an ISR satellite/telescope is the size of a bus. As a result, the satellites have much less maneuverability but a plane can get you to your spots with ease (and higher resolution photos as I mentioned earlier). Planes can also store the photos in onboard hard drives for quick downloading at a remote location but satellites have to transmit data over radios which limits how much data they can send.

Then given the size there's other factors like maintenance (you can easily service a plane on the ground- but would likely have send up a whole new satellite), fixes are easier to make/less fatal and then they are obviously cheaper.

After finding out about the China spy balloons and then these UFO incidients at cruising altitude for an airplane, I am much more inclined to believe they are spying devices. I would look specifically at where they were taken out and if there was anything that might be of interest to a foreign nation in a 1,000 nautical mile circumference. I am also curious if they were fuel-based or solar powered. That will tell you a lot about who would have launched them and potentially what they were looking for.

Interested to see what comes of this!

 

[sonoftony]

I feel like all this UFO talk is a distraction from the **** that is going on in Ohio

 

[Platinum State]

I don't understand how people really believe this is Aliens when it's clearly another country sending spy planes. Wouldn't other countries be seeing similar instances if it were Aliens scouting out the planet?

China shot down a ufo yesterday. Other governments wouldnt notice or care unless it fires first. Remember they said radar doesnt even pick it up

 

[tomdiginson]

China shot down a ufo yesterday.

Source?

 

[1995]

"one explanation is that both sides are using the "UFO" story as a way to shoot down each other's spy aircraft without escalating"

This seems to be the most clear cut answer to me

 

[storm2006]

"one explanation is that both sides are using the "UFO" story as a way to shoot down each other's spy aircraft without escalating"

This seems to be the most clear cut answer to me

I told this to someone earlier - there is a major connotation vs. denotation problem with when it comes to the term Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). Due to pop culture we automatically assume/picture a a flying disc or saucer i.e. alien spacecraft when we hear the term UFO. If it was in fact aliens they would (or at least should) be using the term Extra-Terrestrial Vehicle (ETV).

In reality, a UFO is defined as "any airborne object which by performance, aerodynamic characteristics, or unusual features, does not conform to any presently known aircraft or missile type, or which cannot be positively identified as a familiar object". As you said, it very easily could be another country's spy plane or an ISR platform that is utilizing cloaking technology as well as a combination advanced aerospace materials and technologies that are currently unrecognizable to the United States Air Force (USAF).

So basically from here over the next few days to weeks to months the USAF will take the remains from each to perform an investigation and analysis then release whatever information they can to the public without posing any threats to national security.

Four instances this close together seems highly unlikely to be a coincidence but crazier has happened, I suppose.

 

[elpablo21]

I feel like all this UFO talk is a distraction from the **** that is going on in Ohio

Just now catching up on this. **** is crazy

 

[sonoftony]

Just now catching up on this. **** is crazy

Ikr. Damage is gonna be on Chernobyl-like levels.

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

I always wondered what made him react like that.....i finally looked it up and

 

[storm2006]

I feel like all this UFO talk is a distraction from the **** that is going on in Ohio

Just now catching up on this. **** is crazy

I don’t believe in conspiracy theories like that but it looks like none of the major outlets are reporting on Ohio like that

 

[bonde111]

I certainly hope that if it is an “alien” we didn’t piss em off. If any aliens visit this site, know that some of us are peaceful

Curious as to how this all plays out.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[storm2006]

Thanks for sharing! “No debris” Also,

The White House’s explanations are "contradictory," Cotton continued. "On the one hand, the administration is saying we don’t yet know what these last three objects are and we don’t want to characterize until we recover them. But on the other hand, it wasn’t a threat," he said. "Both of those things can’t be true."

I don’t totally agree that those two statements are contradictory, it is moreso that you can’t characterize them as not a threat until you have recovered and identified them. The whole statement was hella vague and quite frankly the situation is inconclusive to me since they haven’t found anything yet. To be continued….

The fact they thought it was a good idea to release this vague *** report about these yet to be located UFOs but still no words about Ohio where we have scary footage of is EXTREMELY suspicious

 

[NToweG]

To prevent a global or national panic.
Tell us its not a threat.
But the again tell us nothing.

Ok

Satellites can read a newspaper on the ground from the sky. But they allowed unidentified flying objects to hover u.s. with no interruptions.

The air space above the United States is heavily controlled and closely monitored.

Imo...Another form of suppress.

Telling myself to believe our media/government has our best interest at heart was gone a loooooooooong time ago.

 

[calibeebee]

To prevent a global or national panic.
Tell us its not a threat.
But the again tell us nothing.

Ok

Satellites can read a newspaper on the ground from the sky. But they allowed unidentified flying objects to hover u.s. with no interruptions.

The air space above the United States is heavily controlled and closely monitored.

Imo...Another form of suppress.

Telling myself to believe our media/government has our best interest at heart was gone a loooooooooong time ago.

That would be the first question I would ask as a reporter at that press conference. “Hello Mr. intelligence agent, I’m Calibeebee with NT News. Can you explain to us how multiple unidentified flying objects could be allowed to hover over U.S. airspace undetected? With by far the worlds largest military defense budget.?Thank you. And as a follow up to that question, why is Jadakiss as hard as it gets?”

 

[bonde111]

Breaking Points on YouTube had said that NORAD had recently recalibrated their sensors to detect objects as small as a VW Beetle, and that is the reason why we are now finding all of these things on radar.

 

[mrswagtastic]

storm2006 yo did you ever end up going on that pod?

 

[storm2006]

storm2006 yo did you ever end up going on that pod?

Noooo but I did talk to some folks I know in the ISR community about this and here were my takeaways:

• That NBC News article and the government are some BS. Think of the meme with the character in the burning kitchen with the caption "everything is fine". The fact that they are setting up a task force indicates it's more serious than they are letting on. It was basically to assuage public concern and reduce speculation.
• Don't be surprised if this fades out of the news or we get a vague report of their "findings".
• One peculiar piece of the article that flew under the radar is that the first missile fired at the UFO over Lake Huron missed. Those things have an extreme high connect rate and the only way it could possibly miss is if the UFO had some unusual flight pattern or was able to detect and evade the missile. which would mean it was probably not something benign
• Look for DoD spending to increase in the areas of radars and sensors (companies specializing in those areas may be good buys but it will take time before it gets worked into the budget)

bonde111 is also right. Apparently after the spotted the balloon NORAD adjusted radars to make them more sensitive. This was also brought up by someone I talked to - one theory is that after the Chinese balloon got shot down, China and other countries used it as an opportunity to see if their platforms could fly undetected in US airspace and/or for how long which is kind of scary when you think about it.

There's just too little information to say anything definitive but my opinion is that the timing after the Chinese balloon isn't coincidental and they weren't up there for pure/"benign" reasons