When will the President grow a pair?

[fantastic4our]

Not if its under the table.

Well if I rob a bank I can make a million dollars and still get unemployment.

Including illegal acts into your argument doesn't help anyone.

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

We need a sarcasm font for the Internet. I agree with OP although I didn't put it as eloquently as others may have in the SOTU thread.


Why work for $360/wk before taxes when I can stay home and look for a job while getting $400/wk untaxed? If I'm lucky enough, I can find a job that pays decent enough, but doesn't overlap my unemployment so that it doesn't cancel it, I can make ~$700/wk give or take.

Any wages you make while on unemployment is subtracted from your unemployment benefits.

Not if its under the table.

I was just about to say that. It can't be subtracted if unemployment doesn't know about it.

 

[mrdozo]

Any wages you make while on unemployment is subtracted from your unemployment benefits.

additionaly, you can option to get your unemployment tax free, but come the following year, they will take back those taxes.
Ideally, get your unemployment tax free, get a job off the books, and you can be cakin for a minute unitl tax season.

 

[fantastic4our]

additionaly, you can option to get your unemployment tax free, but come the following year, they will take back those taxes.
Ideally, get your unemployment tax free, get a job off the books, and you can be cakin for a minute unitl tax season.

So then it's not tax free You can receive your funds before taxes or after taxes but taxes still coming out, that's why you get a W2. It's just like a job. You can elect to not pay taxes at any regular job, but come tax time you're coming out of pocket.

And it's easier said than done to get a job off the books (oh, and still illegal). Might as well suggest using the unemployment money to buy weed to flip

 

[fly23s]

The most ignorant thread

 

[crcballer55]

keynesian economics is the only way out of this mess. listen to paul krugman, he has a PHD and NOBEL PRIZE in economics. he knows what hes talking about. the trillion dollar coin was a great idea, krugman should of said 1 quadrillion dollar diamond etched coin but that technology isnt there yet so a metal coin wouldve been sufficient.

This is exactly why we need a sarcasm font. I thought you were actually serious until the last sentence.

 

[703 hwy]

When will y'all realize that you don't know anything about what goes on in the government or how to run a country

I'm like 75% sure this is a troll thread. BUt I really can't tell on here some times.

This

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[rashi]

You realize he's on pace to utilize his Executive Orders fewer times than any President has in at least a generation, right?

Not that this even matters. The amount of Executive Orders used is not my concern because every president uses these dictatorial powers from a power that is very vague and arbitrary from a piece of paper which we are forced to consent to at birth. But why use them to kill US citizens, but not use them help group of people who are in need? Surely these resources could be allocated better, no? If the economy and jobs was really truly a concern, why not use this power to make this radical change?

If I'm unemployed, and you offered me $1/hour to scrape **** off a wall, I'll say no, even if 1 is higher than zero.

That's your choice, but I bet someone will scrape **** off the wall for $1/hour. Someone might say "Hey, I'll do it for 75 cents and hour!". This is why I love people coming here from other countries, that's why I favor open borders. I go to Home Depot and I see "undocumented" workers waiting to be picked up to do construction jobs, they represent workers that make the true cost of their labor. They are skilled in putting up dry wall, painting, putting down tile, ect. They make their money (untaxed ) and support their family. Minimum wages are heavily discriminatory towards minorities.

If it's the issues we're talking about that's different from what I intended to point out. Rashi is intimating that Obama is power-mad through his use of EOs with that choice phrasing of "for everything else," and that falls on its face when you compare the numbers to previous Presidents. If he wants to take the President to task about decisions, that's understandable. But misrepresenting the facts in order to embolden an argument is weak and a flat out misrepresentation of reality.

I'm not misrepresenting anything, the fact is the president (among others in the past) have used the orders on a broad spectrum.

These are all of the EO's including their subjects that president Obama has issued.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/obama-subjects.html

They range from abortion to energy/environment to economic sanctions on countries to health care to transportation. So, with saying "for everything else" really isn't misrepresenting anything. Has he used less than presidents in the past? Sure, but that goes back to what I was saying why won't he use it for something that will supposedly jump start the economy?

 

[Betonblck]

The most ignorant thread

This. They need to raise that minimum wage, just off of the fact that the role of government isn't to subsidize low wages through tax credits, food stamps, medicaid, etc. If you work full time, you should get paid a living wage and not have government make up the difference so that you have a "living wage".

 

[crcballer55]

The most ignorant thread

This. They need to raise that minimum wage, just off of the fact that the role of government isn't to subsidize low wages through tax credits, food stamps, medicaid, etc. If you work full time, you should get paid a living wage and not have government make up the difference so that you have a "living wage".

What is a "living wage" though? I know people pulling in $100,000/yr. and still outspend what they make. Heck, in college, I was making about $1000/mo. and was still making ends meet. If someone takes a minimum wage job knowing that they can't make ends meet on that wage for an extended period of time, that's their fault. No matter how high we make the minimum wage, there will always be a certain percentage of people that will complain that they aren't making enough.

 

[slicknick951]

The most ignorant thread

This. They need to raise that minimum wage, just off of the fact that the role of government isn't to subsidize low wages through tax credits, food stamps, medicaid, etc. If you work full time, you should get paid a living wage and not have government make up the difference so that you have a "living wage".

 

[Betonblck]

The most ignorant thread

This. They need to raise that minimum wage, just off of the fact that the role of government isn't to subsidize low wages through tax credits, food stamps, medicaid, etc. If you work full time, you should get paid a living wage and not have government make up the difference so that you have a "living wage".

What is a "living wage" though? I know people pulling in $100,000/yr. and still outspend what they make. Heck, in college, I was making about $1000/mo. and was still making ends meet. If someone takes a minimum wage job knowing that they can't make ends meet on that wage for an extended period of time, that's their fault. No matter how high we make the minimum wage, there will always be a certain percentage of people that will complain that they aren't making enough.

A living wage has nothing to do with how a person chooses to spend their money. So, people that outspend a $100K salary is irrelevant.

 

[lobotomybeats]

I don't know when the President is going to grow a pair, but last night I started growing a pair of Presidents.

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[andycrazn]

You OP, are a ******* ******. 

I'm Illuminati.

keynesian economics is the only way out of this mess. listen to paul krugman, he has a PHD and NOBEL PRIZE in economics. he knows what hes talking about. the trillion dollar coin was a great idea, krugman should of said 1 quadrillion dollar diamond etched coin but that technology isnt there yet so a metal coin wouldve been sufficient.

Tell em! This boy knows!

gold and silver are barbaric forms of money that is very limited to the growth of the economy. thats why the fed HAS to print those trillions. Paul Krugman said recently in his new that kicking the can down is the responsible thing to do. i mean if he supported a 20 dollar minimum wage and have government subsidize the difference now with more money printing, il be for it. ben bernanke and paul krugman is the smartest men in economics and we should do everything they say without questioning it. the debt can be serviced years down the line. there is no inflation, just unemployment we have to worry about.

 

[rashi]

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A living wage has nothing to do with how a person chooses to spend their money. So, people that outspend a $100K salary is irrelevant.[/quote]


You aren't smart enough to determine or even define what a "living wage" subjective to 300 million people scattered across 4 million square miles.

gold and silver are barbaric forms of money that is very limited to the growth of the economy. thats why the fed HAS to print those trillions. Paul Krugman said recently in his new that kicking the can down is the responsible thing to do. i mean if he supported a 20 dollar minimum wage and have government subsidize the difference now with more money printing, il be for it. ben bernanke and paul krugman is the smartest men in economics and we should do everything they say without questioning it. the debt can be serviced years down the line. there is no inflation, just unemployment we have to worry about.

Obvious troll is obvious. Lord knows we need to build up for an alien invasion to stimulate the economy.

 

[Betonblck]

^ what do you think the military industrial complex is? It might as well be based on protecting us from an alien invasion at this point.

 

[crcballer55]

The most ignorant thread

This. They need to raise that minimum wage, just off of the fact that the role of government isn't to subsidize low wages through tax credits, food stamps, medicaid, etc. If you work full time, you should get paid a living wage and not have government make up the difference so that you have a "living wage".

What is a "living wage" though? I know people pulling in $100,000/yr. and still outspend what they make. Heck, in college, I was making about $1000/mo. and was still making ends meet. If someone takes a minimum wage job knowing that they can't make ends meet on that wage for an extended period of time, that's their fault. No matter how high we make the minimum wage, there will always be a certain percentage of people that will complain that they aren't making enough.

A living wage has nothing to do with how a person chooses to spend their money. So, people that outspend a $100K salary is irrelevant.

So then what exactly IS a living wage?

 

[rashi]

^ what do you think the military industrial complex is? It might as well be based on protecting us from an alien invasion at this point.

Dude, you can't be serious. Profiting off of the death of innocent people and subsidizing foreign militarys is your logical response in order to save our economy? Constant war, that's the ticket to prosperity. Blow up bridges, send private contractors to rebuild. Blow them up again, rebuild again. Niiiice.

So then what exactly IS a living wage?

He doesn't know. He is just saying that based off of what his microeconomics professors probably regurgitated from people like Krugman, Stiglitz, or what their messiah Keynes theorized. You know, the former 2 economists that denied that there was even a housing problem. At least Stiglitz was smart enough to know what would happen to the money if the banks were bailed out.

 

[bandit country]

Constant war, that's the ticket to prosperity. Blow up bridges, send private contractors to rebuild. Blow them up again, rebuild again. Niiiice.

the broken bridge theory. That's a real job creator

 

[nazdrowie]

^ what do you think the military industrial complex is? It might as well be based on protecting us from an alien invasion at this point.

 

[gatzbygordon]

hell yeah raise it to 100/hr so we have gallons of milk for 30 bucks, and gas for 90 bucks a gallon.

 

[utvol23]

If you are only making minimum or just above minimum wage why not pick up another job to somewhat increase your income. 40 hrs/week is nothing you can easily work another 20-40 hrs at a second job.

 

[joeyd12]

lol I'm surprised dudes are killing one another in here...I figured I'd take a look, I almost expected blood on the walls. Intelligent conversation tho!

 

[gridebounca11]

Havent skimmed this thread or read any articles, but just heard the proposed increase. What are the consequences of it? Does everyone get a pay raise too? And does that mean the price of items will increase too? If so, whats the point?

 

[frankmatthews]

If we pay people more now, then perhaps we can start pulling more fictional future income into the current economic system. Is that the idea?

Not sure how effective that will be with minimum wage earners.

Since the housing market collapse, the real smart guys have been figuring out a way to increase the amount of debt america can take on. Stimulus plans, government spending, carbon credits perhaps.

The compounding interest equation is exponential while people and resources are finite. We're pretty much deluding ourselves at this point. "Assets" will start disappearing into thin air soon.