Where Is Zoom Air Most Needed At In A Ball Shoe

[jdrone]

The structural and cushioning benefits of Zoom Air have been scientifically proven thousands of times, starting way back with the Vis Zoom Uptempo. It increases lateral stability by decreasing midsole height. It improves reaction time by positioning the foot closer to the playing surface. The tensile fibers provide a high-density platform that utilizes an inverse, symbiotic relationship between the player's weight and energy return rate. I personally prefer a double-stacked heel and separate forefoot (as opposed to full-length.)


"Increased lateral stability" matters little when you're constructing shoes with tendencies to do things like this:

 

[dimsum1]

Originally Posted by STORM RYDER

A regular full length unit gives a bit of a negative heel feel sometimes. If you think about it, you can better tune a shoe to the players need by having say a 10mm zoom bag in the heel and a 8mm zoom bag in the forefoot, rather than a single 8mm full length bag that may not provide enough impact protection at the heel for some bigger guys.
But if you think about what Zoom Air is and what Zoom Air is supposed to be? It's definitely most needed in the forefoot.

Was waiting for your reply. Surprised I got to it before you did haha.

For those who don't know - Storm Ryder is a Guru of product knowledge. He'll know everything from the skin, flesh, and bone of any performance sneaker.Haha...I kid you not.

 

[catch22]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

It's not needed at all as it has never scientifically been proven to do anything, not even protecting the foot.

????? Published in JAMA? No. But proven, presented, and accepted by many educated people.

Besides, basic 10th grade physics proves that it works. Why the hate?

Many so called educated people believe a whole lot of *things* that are not true. Prove that tenth grade physics can be applied in regard to zoom air and its effectiveness.

In order to manage the energy of an impact, you have to do "work". How do you do work? You apply a force over a distance. In automobile design,this would be a crumple zone, a collapsing steering column, or an airbag.

The beauty of Tensile Air is that it is thin and flat. Applying air pressure internally to anything makes that volume want to expand...go round. The fabricinside zoom prevents it from going round...instead it stays flat and thin. Making it ideal for forefoot cushioning where the available "distance" todo "work" is minimal.

The other beauty of zoom is that the internal air pressure forces the bag to quickly snap back into shape (resilience)....your foam selections won't dothat for very long, if at all.

Basic physics, son. In this case, the educated people are right...the troll is just a hater.

 

[arkansas shoehead]

Originally Posted by CWK

Great shoe. If anyone has a DS pair in a size 16, hit me up.


The Air Payton IV was Gary Payton's fifth and final signature shoe before he moved on to Jordan Brand. Featuring lightweight suede and synthetic in the upper, there were also anti-inversion plates placed underneath the synthetic chrome. The inner part of the shoe featured a Dynamic-fit sleeve that kept the foot dry and along with the inner lace eyelets, the wearer's foot would be snugly locked down into the shoe. In the sole, Zoom Air cushioning lined the heel and forefoot of the shoe along with an exposed carbon fiber plate similar to the Air Jordan XI to offer stability and spring in the wearer's step.
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It must be the carbon spring plate that make them so much better. Are there any other shoes out there with similar feel/technology?

 

[daaznfella]

Originally Posted by Arkansas Shoehead

Originally Posted by CWK

Great shoe. If anyone has a DS pair in a size 16, hit me up.


The Air Payton IV was Gary Payton's fifth and final signature shoe before he moved on to Jordan Brand. Featuring lightweight suede and synthetic in the upper, there were also anti-inversion plates placed underneath the synthetic chrome. The inner part of the shoe featured a Dynamic-fit sleeve that kept the foot dry and along with the inner lace eyelets, the wearer's foot would be snugly locked down into the shoe. In the sole, Zoom Air cushioning lined the heel and forefoot of the shoe along with an exposed carbon fiber plate similar to the Air Jordan XI to offer stability and spring in the wearer's step.
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It must be the carbon spring plate that make them so much better. Are there any other shoes out there with similar feel/technology?

however....they are damn narrow on the feet though...i remember that full length zoom insert, just like the fp3's.....

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

It's not needed at all as it has never scientifically been proven to do anything, not even protecting the foot.

????? Published in JAMA? No. But proven, presented, and accepted by many educated people.

Besides, basic 10th grade physics proves that it works. Why the hate?

Many so called educated people believe a whole lot of *things* that are not true. Prove that tenth grade physics can be applied in regard to zoom air and its effectiveness.

In order to manage the energy of an impact, you have to do "work". How do you do work? You apply a force over a distance. In automobile design, this would be a crumple zone, a collapsing steering column, or an airbag.

The beauty of Tensile Air is that it is thin and flat. Applying air pressure internally to anything makes that volume want to expand...go round. The fabric inside zoom prevents it from going round...instead it stays flat and thin. Making it ideal for forefoot cushioning where the available "distance" to do "work" is minimal.

The other beauty of zoom is that the internal air pressure forces the bag to quickly snap back into shape (resilience)....your foam selections won't do that for very long, if at all.

Basic physics, son. In this case, the educated people are right...the troll is just a hater.

Make that an educated hater, son. You didn't address the change in "air", and the inability to maintain the same pressure in thoseair bags, meaning seepage after the change from the original "air" formula, son. Since ambient air cannot be contained, son, this will createimbalances and then injury to the user. Also, son, Zoom Air supposedly isn't made for all players, especially those of us who are well over two hundredpounds, which renders the cushioning useless, giving in to the complaints about the systems "bottoming out".

That said, it DOESN'T work, especially for those of us who use a shoe more than once, over a long period of time, son.
.
Sounds like those of us who are educated in *reality* know better, therefore the cushioning you speak of so fondly has never been scientifically proven to bebetter than, nor as good as, the "foam", in protecting the foot from injury.

Isn't that what a shoe is supposed to do, son?

 

[dr damon]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

It's not needed at all as it has never scientifically been proven to do anything, not even protecting the foot.

????? Published in JAMA? No. But proven, presented, and accepted by many educated people.

Besides, basic 10th grade physics proves that it works. Why the hate?

Many so called educated people believe a whole lot of *things* that are not true. Prove that tenth grade physics can be applied in regard to zoom air and its effectiveness.

In order to manage the energy of an impact, you have to do "work". How do you do work? You apply a force over a distance. In automobile design, this would be a crumple zone, a collapsing steering column, or an airbag.

The beauty of Tensile Air is that it is thin and flat. Applying air pressure internally to anything makes that volume want to expand...go round. The fabric inside zoom prevents it from going round...instead it stays flat and thin. Making it ideal for forefoot cushioning where the available "distance" to do "work" is minimal.

The other beauty of zoom is that the internal air pressure forces the bag to quickly snap back into shape (resilience)....your foam selections won't do that for very long, if at all.

Basic physics, son. In this case, the educated people are right...the troll is just a hater.

Make that an educated hater, son. You didn't address the change in "air", and the inability to maintain the same pressure in those air bags, meaning seepage after the change from the original "air" formula, son. Since ambient air cannot be contained, son, this will create imbalances and then injury to the user. Also, son, Zoom Air supposedly isn't made for all players, especially those of us who are well over two hundred pounds, which renders the cushioning useless, giving in to the complaints about the systems "bottoming out".

That said, it DOESN'T work, especially for those of us who use a shoe more than once, over a long period of time, son.
.
Sounds like those of us who are educated in *reality* know better, therefore the cushioning you speak of so fondly has never been scientifically proven to be better than, nor as good as, the "foam", in protecting the foot from injury.

Isn't that what a shoe is supposed to do, son?

interesting comments DC. i am 6'2 and 220lbs and love zoom especially in its basketball application: full length or heel and forefoot, so saying zoomisn't for people over 200 lbs is just BS. I find it responsive and prefer it over air max, or large volume heel air. zoom does hold up over the years. yesi have multiple shoes in my basketball rotation, but i still wear my original flightposites tb's and the zoom is still good. i have found that zoom doeshold up over time, at least over the last 12 to 13 years that i have been wearing zoom based bball shoes for basketball on a regular basis.

 

[shaqrules]

i concur w/ everyone that said zoom is nice in the forefoot. my favorite combo in a nike is still a max heel and a zoom forefoot.

 

[catch22]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

It's not needed at all as it has never scientifically been proven to do anything, not even protecting the foot.

????? Published in JAMA? No. But proven, presented, and accepted by many educated people.

Besides, basic 10th grade physics proves that it works. Why the hate?

Many so called educated people believe a whole lot of *things* that are not true. Prove that tenth grade physics can be applied in regard to zoom air and its effectiveness.

In order to manage the energy of an impact, you have to do "work". How do you do work? You apply a force over a distance. In automobile design, this would be a crumple zone, a collapsing steering column, or an airbag.

The beauty of Tensile Air is that it is thin and flat. Applying air pressure internally to anything makes that volume want to expand...go round. The fabric inside zoom prevents it from going round...instead it stays flat and thin. Making it ideal for forefoot cushioning where the available "distance" to do "work" is minimal.

The other beauty of zoom is that the internal air pressure forces the bag to quickly snap back into shape (resilience)....your foam selections won't do that for very long, if at all.

Basic physics, son. In this case, the educated people are right...the troll is just a hater.

Make that an educated hater, son. You didn't address the change in "air", and the inability to maintain the same pressure in those air bags, meaning seepage after the change from the original "air" formula, son. Since ambient air cannot be contained, son, this will create imbalances and then injury to the user. Also, son, Zoom Air supposedly isn't made for all players, especially those of us who are well over two hundred pounds, which renders the cushioning useless, giving in to the complaints about the systems "bottoming out".

That said, it DOESN'T work, especially for those of us who use a shoe more than once, over a long period of time, son.
.
Sounds like those of us who are educated in *reality* know better, therefore the cushioning you speak of so fondly has never been scientifically proven to be better than, nor as good as, the "foam", in protecting the foot from injury.

Isn't that what a shoe is supposed to do, son?

Well, Doctor. Did you calculate the fact that they just "may" have changed the film containing the ambient air to slow this"leaking"? You realize this issue isn't restricted to just Zoom, right? How long do you think that new LBJ 7 bag is gonna last? (Answer:Without puncture, and proper manufacturing, longer than any other component on the shoe)

If you accept that the cushioning of Zoom lasts longer than foam, then it is better on that point alone. Plus the "resiliency" factor...alldocumented and presented by NSRL through numerous academic and industrial channels. On your next tour, take a minute and read the posters and publications ondisplay through out the area.

Is it made for eveyone, in every situation? No. That is there is Phylon, PU, Lunar, Max, 2-Film, etc. Now your talking about preferences....not performancelegitimancy. Son.

 

[retr0sxual]

Payton IVs are performance beasts.

 

[gameupz]

IMO has to be the forefoot. When I play, i'm mostly bouncing around or on my toes while moving so yeah

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

It's not needed at all as it has never scientifically been proven to do anything, not even protecting the foot.

????? Published in JAMA? No. But proven, presented, and accepted by many educated people.

Besides, basic 10th grade physics proves that it works. Why the hate?

Many so called educated people believe a whole lot of *things* that are not true. Prove that tenth grade physics can be applied in regard to zoom air and its effectiveness.

In order to manage the energy of an impact, you have to do "work". How do you do work? You apply a force over a distance. In automobile design, this would be a crumple zone, a collapsing steering column, or an airbag.

The beauty of Tensile Air is that it is thin and flat. Applying air pressure internally to anything makes that volume want to expand...go round. The fabric inside zoom prevents it from going round...instead it stays flat and thin. Making it ideal for forefoot cushioning where the available "distance" to do "work" is minimal.

The other beauty of zoom is that the internal air pressure forces the bag to quickly snap back into shape (resilience)....your foam selections won't do that for very long, if at all.

Basic physics, son. In this case, the educated people are right...the troll is just a hater.

Make that an educated hater, son. You didn't address the change in "air", and the inability to maintain the same pressure in those air bags, meaning seepage after the change from the original "air" formula, son. Since ambient air cannot be contained, son, this will create imbalances and then injury to the user. Also, son, Zoom Air supposedly isn't made for all players, especially those of us who are well over two hundred pounds, which renders the cushioning useless, giving in to the complaints about the systems "bottoming out".

That said, it DOESN'T work, especially for those of us who use a shoe more than once, over a long period of time, son.
.
Sounds like those of us who are educated in *reality* know better, therefore the cushioning you speak of so fondly has never been scientifically proven to be better than, nor as good as, the "foam", in protecting the foot from injury.

Isn't that what a shoe is supposed to do, son?

Well, Doctor. Did you calculate the fact that they just "may" have changed the film containing the ambient air to slow this "leaking"? You realize this issue isn't restricted to just Zoom, right? How long do you think that new LBJ 7 bag is gonna last? (Answer: Without puncture, and proper manufacturing, longer than any other component on the shoe)

If you accept that the cushioning of Zoom lasts longer than foam, then it is better on that point alone. Plus the "resiliency" factor...all documented and presented by NSRL through numerous academic and industrial channels. On your next tour, take a minute and read the posters and publications on display through out the area.

Is it made for eveyone, in every situation? No. That is there is Phylon, PU, Lunar, Max, 2-Film, etc. Now your talking about preferences....not performance legitimancy. Son.

Well, son, in theory all of what you suggested SHOULD work, but guess what? It doesn't. That makes it about "performance legitimacy", notpreference. Consider this, I don't accept the assertion that Zoom Air lasts longer. Shouldn't a company prepare for the unforeseen, therefore beingresponsible for its product? I mean, how about NOT shipping shoes with faulty air bags into the public in the first place, so a player like myself cannot getinjured by wearing a shoe that is going to bottom out, burst, nor resist puncture? If it lasts longer, then is a better product than anyone else is putting outthere, why cut corners? I really do not pay attention to what some of the fans of Nike say here, in regard to what is supposedly a great shoe, but in regard toa high quality product, one that costs upward to 190.00, I would think that more precautions would be taken when Zoom Air is featured in the top of the lineshoes.

Oh I forgot, son.

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by DR DAMON

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

It's not needed at all as it has never scientifically been proven to do anything, not even protecting the foot.

????? Published in JAMA? No. But proven, presented, and accepted by many educated people.

Besides, basic 10th grade physics proves that it works. Why the hate?

Many so called educated people believe a whole lot of *things* that are not true. Prove that tenth grade physics can be applied in regard to zoom air and its effectiveness.

In order to manage the energy of an impact, you have to do "work". How do you do work? You apply a force over a distance. In automobile design, this would be a crumple zone, a collapsing steering column, or an airbag.

The beauty of Tensile Air is that it is thin and flat. Applying air pressure internally to anything makes that volume want to expand...go round. The fabric inside zoom prevents it from going round...instead it stays flat and thin. Making it ideal for forefoot cushioning where the available "distance" to do "work" is minimal.

The other beauty of zoom is that the internal air pressure forces the bag to quickly snap back into shape (resilience)....your foam selections won't do that for very long, if at all.

Basic physics, son. In this case, the educated people are right...the troll is just a hater.

Make that an educated hater, son. You didn't address the change in "air", and the inability to maintain the same pressure in those air bags, meaning seepage after the change from the original "air" formula, son. Since ambient air cannot be contained, son, this will create imbalances and then injury to the user. Also, son, Zoom Air supposedly isn't made for all players, especially those of us who are well over two hundred pounds, which renders the cushioning useless, giving in to the complaints about the systems "bottoming out".

That said, it DOESN'T work, especially for those of us who use a shoe more than once, over a long period of time, son.
.
Sounds like those of us who are educated in *reality* know better, therefore the cushioning you speak of so fondly has never been scientifically proven to be better than, nor as good as, the "foam", in protecting the foot from injury.

Isn't that what a shoe is supposed to do, son?

interesting comments DC. i am 6'2 and 220lbs and love zoom especially in its basketball application: full length or heel and forefoot, so saying zoom isn't for people over 200 lbs is just BS. I find it responsive and prefer it over air max, or large volume heel air. zoom does hold up over the years. yes i have multiple shoes in my basketball rotation, but i still wear my original flightposites tb's and the zoom is still good. i have found that zoom does hold up over time, at least over the last 12 to 13 years that i have been wearing zoom based bball shoes for basketball on a regular basis.

The assertion that zoom air isn't made for larger players comes from people here on Niketalk and Nike, not from me. Maybe you should read abit better.

 

[mattyg13]

Forefoot its technically where it helps the most. However, I'm a pretty big guy and forefoot-only zoom pockets tend to bottom out for me, opposed to fulllenght zoom.

 

[kenji714]

Originally Posted by JDRone

The structural and cushioning benefits of Zoom Air have been scientifically proven thousands of times, starting way back with the Vis Zoom Uptempo. It increases lateral stability by decreasing midsole height. It improves reaction time by positioning the foot closer to the playing surface. The tensile fibers provide a high-density platform that utilizes an inverse, symbiotic relationship between the player's weight and energy return rate. I personally prefer a double-stacked heel and separate forefoot (as opposed to full-length.)

"Increased lateral stability" matters little when you're constructing shoes with tendencies to do things like this:

That the shoes bending not his toes. Stephen wore a size too big therefore his feet basically slides when he made a hard cut to the basket. Notoes can bend like that or else he would have been seriously injured and out for months

 

[duke4005]

As much of the toe area that shows rolling over, he must have worn them about 4 sizes too big, otherwise his outside toes are completely upside down.

 

[nomadicsole21]

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by DR DAMON

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

It's not needed at all as it has never scientifically been proven to do anything, not even protecting the foot.

????? Published in JAMA? No. But proven, presented, and accepted by many educated people.

Besides, basic 10th grade physics proves that it works. Why the hate?

Many so called educated people believe a whole lot of *things* that are not true. Prove that tenth grade physics can be applied in regard to zoom air and its effectiveness.

In order to manage the energy of an impact, you have to do "work". How do you do work? You apply a force over a distance. In automobile design, this would be a crumple zone, a collapsing steering column, or an airbag.

The beauty of Tensile Air is that it is thin and flat. Applying air pressure internally to anything makes that volume want to expand...go round. The fabric inside zoom prevents it from going round...instead it stays flat and thin. Making it ideal for forefoot cushioning where the available "distance" to do "work" is minimal.

The other beauty of zoom is that the internal air pressure forces the bag to quickly snap back into shape (resilience)....your foam selections won't do that for very long, if at all.

Basic physics, son. In this case, the educated people are right...the troll is just a hater.

Make that an educated hater, son. You didn't address the change in "air", and the inability to maintain the same pressure in those air bags, meaning seepage after the change from the original "air" formula, son. Since ambient air cannot be contained, son, this will create imbalances and then injury to the user. Also, son, Zoom Air supposedly isn't made for all players, especially those of us who are well over two hundred pounds, which renders the cushioning useless, giving in to the complaints about the systems "bottoming out".

That said, it DOESN'T work, especially for those of us who use a shoe more than once, over a long period of time, son.
.
Sounds like those of us who are educated in *reality* know better, therefore the cushioning you speak of so fondly has never been scientifically proven to be better than, nor as good as, the "foam", in protecting the foot from injury.

Isn't that what a shoe is supposed to do, son?

interesting comments DC. i am 6'2 and 220lbs and love zoom especially in its basketball application: full length or heel and forefoot, so saying zoom isn't for people over 200 lbs is just BS. I find it responsive and prefer it over air max, or large volume heel air. zoom does hold up over the years. yes i have multiple shoes in my basketball rotation, but i still wear my original flightposites tb's and the zoom is still good. i have found that zoom does hold up over time, at least over the last 12 to 13 years that i have been wearing zoom based bball shoes for basketball on a regular basis.

The assertion that zoom air isn't made for larger players comes from people here on Niketalk and Nike, not from me. Maybe you should read a bit better.

Why you so salty? He just said he likes Zoom, just because the majority of people say its not for big guys, doesn't mean big guys don'tenjoy it themselves.
Not for 200 pounders? Tell Kobe Bryant that, he loves that stuff, if an NBA player can play in a "faulty" technology than so can I.

Obvious is obvious that the air is going to seep through time, but none so drastically that it will cause injury...your reaching.
You can't say it doesn't work, all you have to do is apply pressure to the bag, and it responds the pressure back...how does that not work?

Also a shoe can't prevent a foot from injury, if its gonna happen, it will happen. Why do you keep on saying that Zoom Air doesn't protect your feet? Its NOT supposed to, its functions are not to protect your feet from injury...

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by NomadicSole21

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by DR DAMON

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

Originally Posted by Catch22

Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate

It's not needed at all as it has never scientifically been proven to do anything, not even protecting the foot.

????? Published in JAMA? No. But proven, presented, and accepted by many educated people.

Besides, basic 10th grade physics proves that it works. Why the hate?

Many so called educated people believe a whole lot of *things* that are not true. Prove that tenth grade physics can be applied in regard to zoom air and its effectiveness.

In order to manage the energy of an impact, you have to do "work". How do you do work? You apply a force over a distance. In automobile design, this would be a crumple zone, a collapsing steering column, or an airbag.

The beauty of Tensile Air is that it is thin and flat. Applying air pressure internally to anything makes that volume want to expand...go round. The fabric inside zoom prevents it from going round...instead it stays flat and thin. Making it ideal for forefoot cushioning where the available "distance" to do "work" is minimal.

The other beauty of zoom is that the internal air pressure forces the bag to quickly snap back into shape (resilience)....your foam selections won't do that for very long, if at all.

Basic physics, son. In this case, the educated people are right...the troll is just a hater.

Make that an educated hater, son. You didn't address the change in "air", and the inability to maintain the same pressure in those air bags, meaning seepage after the change from the original "air" formula, son. Since ambient air cannot be contained, son, this will create imbalances and then injury to the user. Also, son, Zoom Air supposedly isn't made for all players, especially those of us who are well over two hundred pounds, which renders the cushioning useless, giving in to the complaints about the systems "bottoming out".

That said, it DOESN'T work, especially for those of us who use a shoe more than once, over a long period of time, son.
.
Sounds like those of us who are educated in *reality* know better, therefore the cushioning you speak of so fondly has never been scientifically proven to be better than, nor as good as, the "foam", in protecting the foot from injury.

Isn't that what a shoe is supposed to do, son?

interesting comments DC. i am 6'2 and 220lbs and love zoom especially in its basketball application: full length or heel and forefoot, so saying zoom isn't for people over 200 lbs is just BS. I find it responsive and prefer it over air max, or large volume heel air. zoom does hold up over the years. yes i have multiple shoes in my basketball rotation, but i still wear my original flightposites tb's and the zoom is still good. i have found that zoom does hold up over time, at least over the last 12 to 13 years that i have been wearing zoom based bball shoes for basketball on a regular basis.

The assertion that zoom air isn't made for larger players comes from people here on Niketalk and Nike, not from me. Maybe you should read a bit better.

Why you so salty? He just said he likes Zoom, just because the majority of people say its not for big guys, doesn't mean big guys don't enjoy it themselves.
Not for 200 pounders? Tell Kobe Bryant that, he loves that stuff, if an NBA player can play in a "faulty" technology than so can I.

Obvious is obvious that the air is going to seep through time, but none so drastically that it will cause injury...your reaching.
You can't say it doesn't work, all you have to do is apply pressure to the bag, and it responds the pressure back...how does that not work?

Also a shoe can't prevent a foot from injury, if its gonna happen, it will happen. Why do you keep on saying that Zoom Air doesn't protect your feet? Its NOT supposed to, its functions are not to protect your feet from injury...

- Salty? Call it being real. Also, what's to enjoy when it doesn't do what it is supposed to do, which is what ALL shoes are supposed todo, and that is to protect your foot upon impact. They are not there to just look *cute* nor "enjoyed". Shoes have a function, and if they are notdoing what they are supposed to do, you might as well being wearing a pair of Jimmy Choo slingbacks while playing.

- The census here says that zoom air isn't for bigger guys like myself, and history shows that it is not. There were several reported injuries that weredirectly attributed to larger players wearing zoom air while playing, starting with Patrick Ewing. When someone else complains about the numbness and fatiguewhile wearing zoom air, the *experts* here will automatically suggest that zoom air is for "guards", and max air is for bigger players. Read itagain, it isn't me that is saying this, it's the experts here on Niketalk. Personally I don't believe that there is such a thing as a"guard" shoe, as Magic Johnson was a "guard", as was Jordan, and you mentioned Kobe Bryant as well. These are all big guys, not as big as Iam, but big. If there is such a thing as a guard shoe, then the reverse should be true. Why are all of the Nike players wearing the Hyper dunk, Kobe and thatother crap that is pictured up there? Players at all positions are wearing what is supposedly "guard" shoes. The only difference is that those guywear a new pair of shoes every or every other game, plus they are PAID to wear them.

- I don't think that you are qualified to suggest that a player will not get injured by wearing shoes that are imbalanced, just by that statement. If youknow anything about the skeletal structure, being on millimeter of an inch out of neutral upon landing, can cause MAJOR injury. Just take a look at the youngman in Clipperland. I am not saying that his injury came from the shoes, but how he landed caused the injury. With runners, if a shoe does NOT do what it issupposed to do, and that IS to protect the foot upon landing/foot strike, overuse injuries will occur throughout the body. So I suggest that you do a bit ofresearch before speaking on that topic again.

- A properly fitted shoe WILL protect the foot from injury, But since many here buy style over substance, then even wearing shoes that don't fit in orderto look *cool*, this is something I am sure that we'll have to disagree on, but at your own peril.

 

[clkru]

- A properly fitted shoe WILL protect the foot from injury, But since many here buy style over substance, then even wearing shoes that don't fit in order to look *cool*, this is something I am sure that we'll have to disagree on, at your own peril
Its a real shame that adidas is incapable of making GR bball shoes that fit the human foot properly... I've always wondered what Adiprene+felt like after several wears, but sadly could never seem to hoop in adidas without discomfort or injury...

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by clkru

- A properly fitted shoe WILL protect the foot from injury, But since many here buy style over substance, then even wearing shoes that don't fit in order to look *cool*, this is something I am sure that we'll have to disagree on, at your own peril

Its a real shame that adidas is incapable of making GR bball shoes that fit the human foot properly...


Maybe it's your foot that is the problem. Why pass the blame?

 

[clkru]

Maybe it's your foot that is the problem. Why pass the blame?
Nikes, Jordans, and even Reeboks (well, Questions and Answers 1-4 are the only RBKs I've worn) all work fine on my feet...

 

[dark chocolate]

Originally Posted by clkru

Maybe it's your foot that is the problem. Why pass the blame?

Nikes, Jordans, and even Reeboks (well, Questions and Answers 1-4 are the only RBKs I've worn) all work fine on my feet...


Well, your question on why Adidas cannot make a shoe that fits the HUMAN foot, seems to be terribly subjective and silly, don't you think? I mean,let's be real here! Adidas shoes must be fitting a whole lot of humanity, with you being the only exclusion!

 

[clkru]

Well, your question on why Adidas cannot make a shoe that fits the HUMAN foot, seems to be terribly subjective and silly, don't you think? I mean, let's be real here! Adidas shoes must be fitting a whole lot of humanity, with you being the only exclusion!
Actually, its a fairly common complaint about their GR releases - you should look into it.

They appear to be attempting to address it with the Creator line, but they're still a bit off the mark...

Now if adidas offered to take foot molds (for a fee) as part of their customization/NikeiDish service, I might be inclined give them another shot.

 

[mt3130]

^^^i agree. their shoes do have some odd silhouettes. if i go down a half size (what i normally do for basketball shoes), they feel tight because the shoesalmost come to a point at the toe. if i go up to my true size, then my foot slides inside the shoe. that cant possibly be a good thing.