why do some gay people find the need to be so flamboyant

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Joepac has nothing against the gay man. Sometimes they can be over the top but so can straight people. It's individuals that are sus not a sexuality
 
I just don't see their need to announce to everyone that they're gay when a majority of us don't care to acknowledge something like that.

Im black.. So maybe it's because I don't have to announce im black, seeing as how my skin already does. But I just don't understand b.
 
OP, stop being a wimp.....if you gonna call out club like that then just say it. We all know who your talking about. Also, I didn't read.
 
Huey P Newton (co founder of the black panthers) on gay rights

During the past few years strong movements have developed among women and among homosexuals seeking their liberation. There has been some uncertainty about how to relate to these movements.

Whatever your personal opinions and your insecurities about homosexuality and the various liberation movements among homosexuals and women (and I speak of the homosexuals and women as oppressed groups), we should try to unite with them in a revolutionary fashion.

I say ”whatever your insecurities are” because as we very well know, sometimes our first instinct is to want to hit a homosexual in the mouth, and want a woman to be quiet. We want to hit a homosexual in the mouth because we are afraid that we might be homosexual; and we want to hit the women or shut her up because we are afraid that she might castrate us, or take the nuts that we might not have to start with.

We must gain security in ourselves and therefore have respect and feelings for all oppressed people. We must not use the racist attitude that the white racists use against our people because they are Black and poor. Many times the poorest white person is the most racist because he is afraid that he might lose something, or discover something that he does not have. So you’re some kind of a threat to him. This kind of psychology is in operation when we view oppressed people and we are angry with them because of their particular kind of behavior, or their particular kind of deviation from the established norm.

Remember, we have not established a revolutionary value system; we are only in the process of establishing it. I do not remember our ever constituting any value that said that a revolutionary must say offensive things towards homosexuals, or that a revolutionary should make sure that women do not speak out about their own particular kind of oppression. As a matter of fact, it is just the opposite: we say that we recognize the women’s right to be free. We have not said much about the homosexual at all, but we must relate to the homosexual movement because it is a real thing. And I know through reading, and through my life experience and observations that homosexuals are not given freedom and liberty by anyone in the society. They might be the most oppressed people in the society.

And what made them homosexual? Perhaps it’s a phenomenon that I don’t understand entirely. Some people say that it is the decadence of capitalism. I don’t know if that is the case; I rather doubt it. But whatever the case is, we know that homosexuality is a fact that exists, and we must understand it in its purest form: that is, a person should have the freedom to use his body in whatever way he wants.

That is not endorsing things in homosexuality that we wouldn’t view as revolutionary. But there is nothing to say that a homosexual cannot also be a revolutionary. And maybe I’m now injecting some of my prejudice by saying that “even a homosexual can be a revolutionary.” Quite the contrary, maybe a homosexual could be the most revolutionary.

When we have revolutionary conferences, rallies, and demonstrations, there should be full participation of the gay liberation movement and the women’s liberation movement. Some groups might be more revolutionary than others. We should not use the actions of a few to say that they are all reactionary or counter-revolutionary, because they are not.

We should deal with the factions just as we deal with any other group or party that claims to be revolutionary. We should try to judge, somehow, whether they are operating in a sincere revolutionary fashion and from a really oppressed situation. (And we will grant that if they are women they are probably oppressed.) If they do things that are unrevolutionary or counter-revolutionary, then criticize that action.

If we feel that the group in spirit means to be revolutionary in practice, but they make mistakes in interpretation of the revolutionary philosophy, or they do not understand the dialectics of the social forces in operation, we should criticize that and not criticize them because they are women trying to be free. And the same is true for homosexuals. We should never say a whole movement is dishonest when in fact they are trying to be honest. They are just making honest mistakes. Friends are allowed to make mistakes. The enemy is not allowed to make mistakes because his whole existence is a mistake, and we suffer from it. But the women’s liberation front and gay liberation front are our friends, they are our potential allies, and we need as many allies as possible.

We should be willing to discuss the insecurities that many people have about homosexuality. When I say “insecurities,” I mean the fear that they are some kind of threat to our manhood. I can understand this fear. Because of the long conditioning process which builds insecurity in the American male, homosexuality might produce certain hang-ups in us. I have hang-ups myself about male homosexuality. But on the other hand, I have no hang-up about female homosexuality. And that is a phenomenon in itself. I think it is probably because male homosexuality is a threat to me and female homosexuality is not.

We should be careful about using those terms that might turn our friends off. The terms “******” and “punk” should be deleted from our vocabulary, and especially we should not attach names normally designed for homosexuals to men who are enemies of the people, such as [Richard] Nixon or [John] Mitchell. Homosexuals are not enemies of the people.

We should try to form a working coalition with the gay liberation and women’s liberation groups. We must always handle social forces in the most appropriate manner.
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some food for thought for you arm chair social activists.
 
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sooperhooper said:
Yes it's still hatred and discrimination, but what gays go through is NOWHERE near what African Americans endured.
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Well, what African Americans endured is NOWHERE near what Native Americans endured.

Native Americans lost their land, and have been almost COMPLETELY ran out of their own Country, as they make up only about 1.7% of the American population.

American Indians clearly don't have a VOICE. Look at the Washington ******** today. They still have their name, offensive logo, and the owner, Snyder says he will NEVER change the name of the team, because of "tradition." 
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No team today would ever DARE name their team the [insert offensive name of any ethnicity.] The public outrage would be too much.

Think about it.
 
KMante said:
Well, what African Americans endured is NOWHERE near what Native Americans endured.

Native Americans lost their land, and have been almost COMPLETELY ran out of their own Country, as they make up only about 1.7% of the American population.

American Indians clearly don't have a VOICE. Look at the Washington ******** today. They still have their name, offensive logo, and the owner, Snyder says he will NEVER change the name of the team, because of "tradition." :rolleyes

No team today would ever DARE name their team the [insert offensive name of any ethnicity.] The public outrage would be too much.

Think about it.
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Lets not get into a **** measuring contest. Answer the op brah.
 
JJ Watt said:
It's not insensitive or disgusting.

It's just different levels of a struggle.

You can't take people's opinions on matters and tell them their wrong about feeling a certain way.
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Yeah, one struggle is ten and the other level is one.

Jason Collins spent 35 years hiding who he was. Could he hide that he was black? So there's no comparison.
 
Royal Assassin said:
i don't think it's correct for us to make selfish claims to what was essentially a struggle not just for civil rights but, as Malcolm X explained, also a battle for human rights. We don't have the market cornered on historic struggle. Native Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanics -- all have had to fight their own civil-rights battles and, like gays, have every right to look to American history (of which the black civil-rights movement is a part) for parallels and inspiration and rationales for their own struggles.  just because gays may not endure the same level of daily physical violence that blacks faced in the Jim Crow south doesn't mean that it "belittles" blacks' experiences to suggest that the discrimination against gays runs parallel to the institutional racism blacks have faced.
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Exactly
KMante said:
Well, what African Americans endured is NOWHERE near what Native Americans endured.

Native Americans lost their land, and have been almost COMPLETELY ran out of their own Country, as they make up only about 1.7% of the American population.

American Indians clearly don't have a VOICE. Look at the Washington ******** today. They still have their name, offensive logo, and the owner, Snyder says he will NEVER change the name of the team, because of "tradition." 
eyes.gif


No team today would ever DARE name their team the [insert offensive name of any ethnicity.] The public outrage would be too much.

Think about it.
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This response right here needs at least 100 reps.
 
People get persecuted for their religious views and technically speaking you can hide ur religious views. Doesn't make the persecution any less because they have to announce it.

And no one is asking you to understand, after all white people don't have to understand the struggles of blacks.
 
KMante said:
Well, what African Americans endured is NOWHERE near what Native Americans endured.

Native Americans lost their land, and have been almost COMPLETELY ran out of their own Country, as they make up only about 1.7% of the American population.

American Indians clearly don't have a VOICE. Look at the Washington ******** today. They still have their name, offensive logo, and the owner, Snyder says he will NEVER change the name of the team, because of "tradition." :rolleyes

No team today would ever DARE name their team the [insert offensive name of any ethnicity.] The public outrage would be too much.

Think about it.
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Way to go off topic. Should a jewish person respond next? What about Mexicans? Since several states were there's.

And actually black people in this country did lose their land, language, families, and culture.
 
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I swear... anything can get turned into a race war on NT :smh:












1...2.....3....

PLIGHT CONTEST !!!!



Whos life sucks the most ?
 
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please method man.

I'm begging you. Please open up an LBGT forum. Tired of this nonsense.





Get rid of the thread about nothing as well.
 
KMante said:
sooperhooper said:
Yes it's still hatred and discrimination, but what gays go through is NOWHERE near what African Americans endured.
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Well, what African Americans endured is NOWHERE near what Native Americans endured.

Native Americans lost their land, and have been almost COMPLETELY ran out of their own Country, as they make up only about 1.7% of the American population.

American Indians clearly don't have a VOICE. Look at the Washington ******** today. They still have their name, offensive logo, and the owner, Snyder says he will NEVER change the name of the team, because of "tradition." :rolleyes

No team today would ever DARE name their team the [insert offensive name of any ethnicity.] The public outrage would be too much.

Think about it.
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When have African Americans EVER compared their plight to native Americans as much as people try to compare the gay struggle to the black struggle?
 
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