zoom flight club review & 6 new pairs 3 citrons bg matrix & parker pg 1 pic

[badboy074]

Originally Posted by Hardaway33

Is there really full length zoom in these? I couldn't feel it!?

that is what was recommended to me by the nike product specialist because it has a full unit and a unit in the heel. So i was happy to hear that.

 

[cbfpunch]

^ happy to hear it and happy to feel it are two different things. they could just be feeding you the same bs like what they did with the bb2 lows and xx3.i'm pretty sure that if it did indeed have full length zoom + extra zoom in the heel i would've fell in love with it when i tried them on but as itturns out i don't own a pair.

 

[mt3130]

Originally Posted by badboy074

Originally Posted by Hardaway33

Is there really full length zoom in these? I couldn't feel it!?

that is what was recommended to me by the nike product specialist because it has a full unit and a unit in the heel. So i was happy to hear that.

i tried these on and theres definitely no zoom in the forefoot of these. it just feels like a double stacked zoom unit in the heel. i was walkingon my toes and pushing the front of my foot against the shoe and it felt dead. these felt just like my zoom phenoms (heel zoom only) except the heel cushionwas a little better.

 

[badboy074]

Originally Posted by cbfpunch

^ happy to hear it and happy to feel it are two different things. they could just be feeding you the same bs like what they did with the bb2 lows and xx3. i'm pretty sure that if it did indeed have full length zoom + extra zoom in the heel i would've fell in love with it when i tried them on but as it turns out i don't own a pair.

I don't really feel any difference from this and bb2 like i said on the 1st page so to me it feels both the same maybe your right they'refeeding bs but in my playing ball on these it is really comfortable even more than the bb 2 shoes.

 

[deezyvsop]

25 pairs?

That seems like OD. Like OD OD.

And for it's price point, I seriously doubt it has anything but Zoom in the heel, and maybe the forefoot. After the BB2 Low and XX3 debacles, Iwouldn't be surprised if they charged $110 for a shoe with heel zoom only. Double stacked? Nike would definitely charge a lot more for that. This companydoesn't want to do you any favors.

After playing in Flightposites, I shy away from any shoe with a zipper cover on it. From my perspective, it's completely unnecessary, a waste of material,adds to cost and price, adds to the weight all while adding no substantial performance benefits. But hey, it looks good.

 

[frijo sneaker]

I rather have hyperdunks than zoom flghts.

 

[swingshot]

Originally Posted by badboy074

this is full zoom air unit with the zoom air heel added on....

You mean Zoom forefoot and heel?


The way you worded it made me wonder if you were saying it's a full length zoom unit with a double stacked heel.... which at $110 is impossible.

 

[badboy074]

 

[badboy074]

Originally Posted by badboy074

Originally Posted by swingshot

Originally Posted by badboy074

this is full zoom air unit with the zoom air heel added on....

You mean Zoom forefoot and heel?


The way you worded it made me wonder if you were saying it's a full length zoom unit with a double stacked heel.... which at $110 is impossible.

I called by the way today again about this shoe and about the zoom bb2 lows and the nike rep said that the lows weren't made to be full zoom air and the mids were the only ones that were full zoom air on the shoes and also they have classes in which they are shown what is inside the shoe before it is released so that they can address it to their customers and the zoom flight club sample when it was shown it had a complete full zoom air unit with the heel added on. then the midsole was injected with a phylon unit for extra added cushion along with the full zoom air unit. Alphaproject maybe you can help us out to see if what the nike rep is saying to me is true or not on the phone. Because again there is no difference in the feel of zoom bb2 mid unit and the flight club unit when i play ball with them. Whether it is full zoom air or not this will be my grail and from what i experience i feel somewhat that the rep could be right.

 

[deezyvsop]

So what you're saying is the rep said there is double stacked zoom in the heel.

Or are you saying based on your experience, it feels like there is double stacked zoom in the heel? Because if it feels like the BB2 Mid, which is just fulllength zoom, then it can't have double stacked zoom right?

Either way, I wouldn't trust Nike reps to be accurate. Or if they are, then a good question would be, if the BB 2 Lows weren't made with full zoom air,then why did the description on the website say they had full zoom?

 

[badboy074]

Originally Posted by DeezyVSOP

So what you're saying is the rep said there is double stacked zoom in the heel.

Or are you saying based on your experience, it feels like there is double stacked zoom in the heel? Because if it feels like the BB2 Mid, which is just full length zoom, then it can't have double stacked zoom right?

Either way, I wouldn't trust Nike reps to be accurate. Or if they are, then a good question would be, if the BB 2 Lows weren't made with full zoom air, then why did the description on the website say they had full zoom?

My experience is that it feels like zoom bb2 mids when i play ball. The rep said that they have a class to see what is inside a shoe that is beingreleased so that they can be accurate to customers when customers ask questions like i ask about the units inside a shoe whether it's air max or zoom airunit. When i asked about some people's experience with the clubs about only having zoom air in the heel and none in the forefoot the rep said that it wasshown to them that it will include full zoom air unit with heel unit plus an injected phylon for added cushion. I also asked about the nike hypermax and therep was accurate about that in saying it is a full air max unit and provides excellent impact protection when landing hard on the ground. Then i asked about ifthe impact of the clubs and the powermax is about the same. The rep said the impact protection of the clubs are very close to the powermax impact since it hasfull zoom air heel zoom air and injected phylon in the midsole so if big men decides to wear this shoe then it won't be a problem for their knees and legswhen impact happens because it protects well against that too. If you think about it though the rep would've said that they recommend the air max to thezoom air cushioning if they wanted me to spend more money because the hypermax is out and they would've told me to recommend that but they said that it isa choice to me what i like the best whether it is air max unit or full zoom air/zoom air heel unit so it is up to us to decide. Now nike might have put thisinto their minds to sell more of this shoe as you've mentioned but this is what nike.com rep has told me about both shoes.

 

[deezyvsop]

Well maybe you can do what those other guys did for the BB 2 Low and XX3 when your first pair of Flight Clubs get's unwearable. Cut that thing open and seewhat's there.

I'd like to see exactly what kind of setup it has, regardless of what the rep says.

 

[cbfpunch]

as far as technology goes, i would say the info from nike reps is questionable.

 

[badboy074]

Originally Posted by DeezyVSOP

Well maybe you can do what those other guys did for the BB 2 Low and XX3 when your first pair of Flight Clubs get's unwearable. Cut that thing open and see what's there.

I'd like to see exactly what kind of setup it has, regardless of what the rep says.

You know what that is a good idea i will do that and post pics since most of you do believe that the rep is lying and i do have my doubts as wellon this. But the thing is and this goes for you too mr. punch is that the rep was very accurate about the hypermax unit inside that shoe. I mean i know nikedoes lowball us shoe buyers when it comes to what units they put into the shoe, but what was said about what is in the hypermax is correct so there is still achance of them being correct about the clubs but i will dissect it once it gets old and let you decide after i take pics of the shoe. That is the only way toprove and see if it is full zoom or not. Thanks for all your input on this matter and i appreciate all putting up with my crap about what nike reps say. I justwanted all of u to know what things they say about their shoes and glad i got some input from you guys.

 

[cbfpunch]

i think the hypermax cushioning isn't a good control to see whether or not the rep is accurate lol. it's pretty clear that the hypermax has full lengthmax air because it's visible after all.
anyway, i'm looking forward to a dissection of the clubs soon.

 

[badboy074]

Originally Posted by cbfpunch

i think the hypermax cushioning isn't a good control to see whether or not the rep is accurate lol. it's pretty clear that the hypermax has full length max air because it's visible after all.
anyway, i'm looking forward to a dissection of the clubs soon.

I know it is obvious the hypermax has full air max unit but hey i had to give the rep some hope. I will post a new topic once i have dissected theshoe when it gets old.

 

[nikeflightposite]

we're focusing too much energy on the technology that's in this shoe. ultimately what matters most is how well the shoe feels and performs!!

 

[badboy074]

Originally Posted by NikeFlightposite

we're focusing too much energy on the technology that's in this shoe. ultimately what matters most is how well the shoe feels and performs!!

I wish it were that simple but for some people whether the shoe feels great or not they won't buy it till they know it is a certain type of unit in theshoe. I believe the paytons had full zoom air and some wanted that on the clubs but since it wasn't a full unit and on the heel it was regarded as junk andsome of my friends thought even though no zoom air it was worth the buy with the f&f discount so they bought two pairs for themselves and never regrettedit ever since. 110 is a great deal for this shoe but not everyone is into zipped up shoes as well and as stated before if it wasn't full zoom air unit itis a ripoff price to some. So i had to ask a nike rep about the unit and just posted what was said here.

 

[mt3130]

ok i spoke with someone from nike and she did some research and contacted people in the footwear department, she came back with the answer that the zoom flightclubs had zoom air in the heel and forefoot.

however, if its there, that zoom unit in the forefoot is tiny because i felt nothing when i tried them on lol.

 

[cbfpunch]

probably just a spot of zoom for the ball of the foot. smh.

 

[krisc]

agree.

 

[firepower23]

I agree with badboy074 & NikeFlightposite ....I think people worry too much as to what technologygoes into these shoes, as long as they feel comfortable, fit your feet well & give good performance.

But the Nike reps obviously are trying to sell the shoes, so they tell you what you want to hear.

According to Jason Petrie the senior designer for Nike basketball, the forefoot has no zoom cushioning, but instead has a series of "Flex grooves"molded into the midsole which is supposed to help with traction & flexability.

The heel has a 14mm zoom air unit.

 

[mt3130]

yea but knowing what goes in to the shoe helps you decide on whether it will feel comfortable enough in the long run. everything feels comfortable when you putit on your foot and walk around in it. but running, jumping, and cutting are a different story. i have shoes with heel zoom only right now and my forefoot padsare killing me everytime i get home from playing ball. my game is very forefoot intensive but i also want something to protect my heels.

so i want to know whats in the shoe because if it has heel and forefoot zoom, it meets my needs. if its heel zoom only, it doesnt and i know to continue mysearch for a shoe that suits my needs. plus most of these stores (finish line, foot locker, champs, footaction) have awful return policies that once its wornit cant be returned unless its defective. you cant truly know if the shoe works for you or not until you have tested it doing what you bought the shoes for.

 

[badboy074]

Originally Posted by mt3130

yea but knowing what goes in to the shoe helps you decide on whether it will feel comfortable enough in the long run. everything feels comfortable when you put it on your foot and walk around in it. but running, jumping, and cutting are a different story. i have shoes with heel zoom only right now and my forefoot pads are killing me everytime i get home from playing ball. my game is very forefoot intensive but i also want something to protect my heels.

so i want to know whats in the shoe because if it has heel and forefoot zoom, it meets my needs. if its heel zoom only, it doesnt and i know to continue my search for a shoe that suits my needs. plus most of these stores (finish line, foot locker, champs, footaction) have awful return policies that once its worn it cant be returned unless its defective. you cant truly know if the shoe works for you or not until you have tested it doing what you bought the shoes for.

Back in the ice age this type of return when you wear it and it doesn't feel comfortable was possible. Reason it was stopped is the reason thediscount became more strict that's abuse. People abuse this as they do discounts in stores and the store is losing money because of this because shoecompanies started to get complaints from stores that their shoe was worn and it was not a good balling running shoe cause it hurt this or that and people wereexchanging them all the time screwing the system so they can have an excuse to get new shoes to exchange for their old ones so the shoe companies said well itisn't our shoes that's the problem it is that too many people are abusing it getting new shoes to exchange and in return store lost money and shoecompany lost money so shoe company decided to make the store responsible in making a new rule because they're not taking the shoes anymore from the storeswhich is where the voucher and direct return from customer to nike was created that way they can decide and if they suspect foul then they will return yourshoes back to you with no new shoes. My bud used to work at footlocker a long time ago and that is why they changed the return policy.

 

[cbfpunch]

^block of text. would it kill you to use some punctuations?