To the Young Black Conservatives.....

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

One of my things with conservatism is Uter....they claim to be the party for smaller gov't/less intrusion...yet they rally around issues like same sex marriage (which I don't agree with), racial politics, abortion, religion, culture wars, etc..while ignoring the true and only purpose that the American gov't is supposed to serve. To uphold and protect the welfare of American citizens.

Healthcare & Education are two of the most critical sectors to a nations welfare but usually the first things cut of picked on by conservatives.

I can never rock with that.
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Uter can we agree that those things I highlighted have really nothing to do with Politics but rather moral beliefs and [sometimes] prejudice?

I personally am a liberal because I feel politics should not be about these things. Not because of my stances on economics or global warming.

If it doesn't infringe on the rights or hurt anybody else, the government should stay the hell away from it. We cannot implement public policy on moralsbased of one group of people as we are not all homogeneous in beliefs.
 
Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

One of my things with conservatism is Uter....they claim to be the party for smaller gov't/less intrusion...yet they rally around issues like same sex marriage (which I don't agree with), racial politics, abortion, religion, culture wars, etc..while ignoring the true and only purpose that the American gov't is supposed to serve. To uphold and protect the welfare of American citizens.

Healthcare & Education are two of the most critical sectors to a nations welfare but usually the first things cut of picked on by conservatives.

I can never rock with that.
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Originally Posted by Lazy B

Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm

Originally Posted by nick0lis

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorg3

didnt the republican party free blacks from slavery?
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the republican and democratic parties have kind of reversed since back then.
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And didn't Lincoln only do that to piss off the south?
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Yep. He killed their economy which was slave driven and slavery was a part of Southern culture.. Lincoln hated blacks, don't let the EP make you think otherwise. If he could have he would have "sent them back to where they came from".
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Not true. He was good friends with Fredrick Douglas.
 
Originally Posted by 36hypno

Originally Posted by Lazy B

Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm

Originally Posted by nick0lis

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorg3

didnt the republican party free blacks from slavery?
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the republican and democratic parties have kind of reversed since back then.
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And didn't Lincoln only do that to piss off the south?
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Yep. He killed their economy which was slave driven and slavery was a part of Southern culture.. Lincoln hated blacks, don't let the EP make you think otherwise. If he could have he would have "sent them back to where they came from".
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Well the Civil War wasn't originally about freeing the slave, it was about what the federal government can control. The republican party useto be called the poor man's party, but it was taken over by industrialist that revamped the party to something more like what we have to day
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Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1

Originally Posted by Lazy B

Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm

Originally Posted by nick0lis

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorg3

didnt the republican party free blacks from slavery?
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the republican and democratic parties have kind of reversed since back then.
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And didn't Lincoln only do that to piss off the south?
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Yep. He killed their economy which was slave driven and slavery was a part of Southern culture.. Lincoln hated blacks, don't let the EP make you think otherwise. If he could have he would have "sent them back to where they came from".
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Not true. He was good friends with Fredrick Douglas.
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Just because you're friends with someone doesn't mean that changes how you feel about the subject. There's a book that recently cameout that discusses this in detail. The author was on the Colbert Report about a month ago. I'm friends with gay people but I don't approve of theirlifestyle.

Well the Civil War wasn't originally about freeing the slave, it was about what the federal government can control.

Right, it wasn't about the slave. It was about the government (the North) overstepping their boundary and the South fighting for what they thought wasright hence the secession of South Carolina.
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My only question to young Black conservatives is how they can embrace the message of states rights. Especially when the Civil War was fought over a states'right to own a slave. The party's message appears to be one of codewords for support of segregation and discrimination.

I'm just curious as to how a Black conservative could be against civil rights and can embrace a message that is strongly against civil rights.
 
Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Originally Posted by AR Guy

Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

I don't agree with the dems on gun control for one...
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This is a great point.

Im am pro-gun ownership but I don't see Democratic calls for longer barrels on assault rifles and better background check, waiting periods as a bad thing. All law abiding Americans should be able to own firearm freely...but should the average person be able to cop 100 M4s everyday with no waiting period or background check? That can only lead to problems and coming from the inner city I also see the havoc that an unregulated gun market can have on American (and now Mexican) communities.
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It's more than that. Unless you are doing a private sale to someone face to face background checks do occur. When I bought the lower receiver to my rifle I had background check. It is

illegal to do a private sale with a person who you suspect to be a felon or is not a state resident. For me to purchase a firearm out of state it would have to be sent to a gun store or a pawn

shop with a ffl (federal firearm license). What more do the dems want in terms of gun control. And the problem in Mexico is not the fault of the U.S. Why should I believe that the cartels

are coming to the here and spending $1500 on "Assualt Rifles" when they can get cheap guns from China, Russia, and other former Soviet bloc countries. The way the dems push this so

hard and the way the portray gun owners who own so called "Assualt Rifles" just turns me off from them. Also lower taxes are cool too...
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90% of the recovered guns used in Mexican crime, which are able to be traced, have been traced back to American stores. China, Russia and Russia isn't anywhere near as close to Mexico and Texas (the most gun friendly state) is. Even if the weapons are manufactured overseas...they are coming from within US borders.

Most private sales are done through gun shows, which are one huge loophole in the whole verification process. I easily get a PA or VA gun license even though I live in New York and purchase as much of whatever I want as often as I want and coolly drive it back to New York where they will be used to take lives.

With something like a gun that is made to kill and injure humans. I don't see any problem with progressive and effective regulation.

So if you were a cartel member in Mexico what would you do: drive to Texas, spend +$1000 on asemi-automatic gun, and drive back to Mexico or bribe local police or military and get

automatic guns for half the price.

Every gun show I've attended their are more ffl dealers than private sales. I don't really know whatyou mean buy "gun license" but I assume you mean a ccw. But what you are describing

is already illegal so you suggest making something illegal twice? Out of state residents cannot purchase gunsthat are forbidden in their state of residency so you can't just go to PA and buy

an AR when they are illegal in NY.

Gun control/regulation ≠ crime control.

Also the states with the most lax gun laws is Oklahoma and Louisiana.
 
Originally Posted by The Yes Guy

Don't confuse conservatism with the Republican party.
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True but almost all conservatives are Republicans and almost all liberals are Democrats.
 
Lincoln even said that if he could preserve the union and keep slavery, he would have.

The Civil War's purpose was not to end slavery.
 
Lincoln even said that if he could preserve the union and keep slavery, he would have.

The Civil War's purpose was not to end slavery.
 
Not to mention that from the Reconstruction era on...Southern Republican was synonymous with Black Lynching.

While Democrats have done more than their share of racial harm throughout American history...I think the Republican party is unquestionably the party of hateand xenophobia at this point in time. See 2008 elections.



But you conservatives (except AR guy) are reluctant to share your stances and beliefs huh?
 
Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

minority fiscal conservative here...

don't just lump conservatives all into one group.
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Indeed.

People have varying degrees of conservatism and differ on certain topics.


Thats why I was trying to get some different perspectives and ideologies...but nothing so far.
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Originally Posted by Chi ILL

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OMG .

Real talk , I don't know what they're conserving .

Even if you believe in conservative values (and you're Black) you should still want to better your Black brothers & sisters .
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Kneesh, you're a brilliant young lady and I really admire you and respect you, but I'm starting to believe you're too young tounderstand the implications of some of your statements.

Last night, you asked devout Christians if they were evil, just because they submitted to something other than worldly values. When you posted your responseafterwards, I understood you a bit better, but initially I was about to snap. This is people's religious well-being you're discussing, not some tepidflavor-of-the-month.

Now you're implying that just because one is Black that they cannot be conservative, and if they are, it's being done in vain. That's like tellinga recovering drug addict that they're a quitter. I'm starting to see why you dropped that LOGIC102 or whatever it was class last semester.
 
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Just being Black you should have a sense of pride in wanting to help the Black community.
I agree with this... but at the same token.. you have to admit there are also those that are not willing to put forth ANY effort to betterthemselves or their position in life....so I can understand the bitterness of some in the black community who HAVE done so. It's a "I've doneit...why can't you?" mentality.
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Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

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Just being Black you should have a sense of pride in wanting to help the Black community.
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I agree with this... but at the same token.. you have to admit there are also those that are not willing to put forth ANY effort to better themselves or their position in life....so I can understand the bitterness of some in the black community who HAVE done so. It's a "I've done it...why can't you?" mentality.
Thank you Dirty. I shouldn't have to subscribe to something just because of my ethnicity. If that was the case, my grandfather would'venever left India back in the late 1800's.
 
Originally Posted by LESfamilia

Originally Posted by Chi ILL

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OMG .

Real talk , I don't know what they're conserving .

Even if you believe in conservative values (and you're Black) you should still want to better your Black brothers & sisters .
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Kneesh, you're a brilliant young lady and I really admire you and respect you, but I'm starting to believe you're too young to understand the implications of some of your statements.

Last night, you asked devout Christians if they were evil, just because they submitted to something other than worldly values. When you posted your response afterwards, I understood you a bit better, but initially I was about to snap. This is people's religious well-being you're discussing, not some tepid flavor-of-the-month.

Now you're implying that just because one is Black that they cannot be conservative, and if they are, it's being done in vain. That's like telling a recovering drug addict that they're a quitter. I'm starting to see why you dropped that LOGIC102 or whatever it was class last semester.
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Originally Posted by mytmouse76

Originally Posted by LESfamilia

Originally Posted by Chi ILL

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OMG .

Real talk , I don't know what they're conserving .

Even if you believe in conservative values (and you're Black) you should still want to better your Black brothers & sisters .
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Kneesh, you're a brilliant young lady and I really admire you and respect you, but I'm starting to believe you're too young to understand the implications of some of your statements.

Last night, you asked devout Christians if they were evil, just because they submitted to something other than worldly values. When you posted your response afterwards, I understood you a bit better, but initially I was about to snap. This is people's religious well-being you're discussing, not some tepid flavor-of-the-month.

Now you're implying that just because one is Black that they cannot be conservative, and if they are, it's being done in vain. That's like telling a recovering drug addict that they're a quitter. I'm starting to see why you dropped that LOGIC102 or whatever it was class last semester.
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this dude stalkin
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Originally Posted by I Drink Your Milkshake

I laughed when I saw the title....and DIED when I saw the author

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No you didn't... you clearly posted...so how can you be dead...
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Originally Posted by Lazy B

Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm

Originally Posted by nick0lis

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorg3

didnt the republican party free blacks from slavery?
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the republican and democratic parties have kind of reversed since back then.
Click to expand...
And didn't Lincoln only do that to piss off the south?
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Yep. He killed their economy which was slave driven and slavery was a part of Southern culture.. Lincoln hated blacks, don't let the EP make you think otherwise. If he could have he would have "sent them back to where they came from".
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cough liberia? cough
 
Originally Posted by ctdaprince

Originally Posted by mytmouse76

LESfamilia wrote:
Originally Posted by Chi ILL

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OMG .

Real talk , I don't know what they're conserving .

Even if you believe in conservative values (and you're Black) you should still want to better your Black brothers & sisters .
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Kneesh, you're a brilliant young lady and I really admire you and respect you, but I'm starting to believe you're too young to understand the implications of some of your statements.

Last night, you asked devout Christians if they were evil, just because they submitted to something other than worldly values. When you posted your response afterwards, I understood you a bit better, but initially I was about to snap. This is people's religious well-being you're discussing, not some tepid flavor-of-the-month.

Now you're implying that just because one is Black that they cannot be conservative, and if they are, it's being done in vain. That's like telling a recovering drug addict that they're a quitter. I'm starting to see why you dropped that LOGIC102 or whatever it was class last semester.
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this dude stalkin
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Joke if you want. It's like T.I. said on "ASAP:"
Yeah I know you were thinkin' outta sight and outta mind /
But I'm the wrong one for you to try if you were tryna shine...

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