What do you all think of the "Rooney Rule?"

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The Rooney Rule requires National Football League teams to interview minority candidates for a head coaching opportunity. The rule is named for Dan Rooney, the owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and the chairman of the league's diversity committee, and is often cited as an example of affirmative action.

In 2003, the NFL fined the Detroit Lions $200,000 for failure to interview minority candidates for the team's vacant head coaching job. After Marty Mornhinweg was fired, the Lions immediately hired former San Francisco 49ers head coach Steve Mariucci to replace him without interviewing any other candidates. The Lions claimed they attempted to interview other candidates but that the minority candidates withdrew from interviews, believing Mariucci's hiring was inevitable.

Since the Rooney Rule was established, several NFL franchises have hired minority head coaches (including the Steelers themselves, who hired Mike Tomlin before their 2007 season), although the policy is still debated. No team has stated whether the Rooney Rule contributed to the hiring of a minority.

However, the rule does not apply if an assistant coach has language in his contract guaranteeing him the starting job in case of an opening. [1] This was the case when Mike Martz took over as head coach of the St. Louis Rams before the 2000 season.



If you were an African-American coach, would you want an interview just because a team HAS to give you one? I was thinking about this today due to the Skinscoaching vacancy. It seems as though Gregg Williams is the frontrunner for the coaching gig in DC. He had his interview, but in order not to face a fine, theSkins (like all other teams) have to interview minority candidates even if they have no intention of hiring them. I can see how it works in certain cases inthat names get thrown out, and it may lead to other interviews. Obviously, there are a lot of instances where there are questionable hires, and we arewondering why certain minorities are being looked over. I think the Rooney Rule has good intentions, but I am not sure if I would like to be a hire if I knewthe only reason why I was given the job was because of my skin color to appease the public. It was great seeing two guys like Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy atthe pinnacle of their professions when they were representing both the Bears and Colts in the Super Bowl. I think that alone will open more doors forminorities down the road in the coaching profession. That being said were they, along with Mike Tomlin hires because of the rule (I'm not sure)?

here's a great quote from Dr. Harry Edwards

"The Rooney Rule," Edwards said, "was instituted as a prod for granting access that traditionally has been blocked, not always because of racism but because of limited vision.

"It simply never crossed people's minds 'Hey, there might be a Latino, an African-American, a woman who can function in an NFL front office position.' The Rooney Rule opens that whole spectrum of vision for the entire league."

The spirit of the Rooney Rule has stirred diversity throughout NFL front offices. Four general managers are black, as are two vice presidents of player personnel and the league's executive VP of football operations.

"You change the character of the dialogue in the franchise and the league when you have representative numbers," Edwards said. "Otherwise, you end up with such a cultural abyss. You have Lawrence Welk and Pat Boone speaking to Snoop Dogg and Ludacris about what makes good music."



http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2008/01/13/a1b_dolphins_0113.html

I am on the fence with how I feel about the Rooney Rule...

Discuss.....
 
It is a God-send.

Thank you NFL for actually addressing a glaring problem.



Its more than a token interview. It gets black candidates that would never have gotten a look a foot in the door.

Every Job is about Networking. and if you arent apart of the network, you will never make any head way.



How can black candidates getting an interview, they wouldnt normally get, be a bad thing ?



If you were an African-American coach, would you want an interview just because a team HAS to give you one?


And its on that black coach to go in there and blow the doors off that interview. He may not get the job, but he has planted a seed. and maybe the next jobopening, the good ole boy owner tells the next owner, U know "so & so" had a great interview with me. U should look into him.



To me, it is affording someone an opportunity who otherwise wouldnt be given a fair shot.



wanna see un fair hiring practices, go look at NCAA College Football and tell me they dotn need their own "Rooney Rule"
 
Gunna, do you think schools or teams should have to interview a minority coach even if they are pretty set on who they want, and aren't even going tointerview other people? For instance, down here in College Station, we pretty much were already set on Mike Sherman, and to my knowledge, hired him withoutinterviewing any other candidates. We caught quite a bit of flack for not interviewing a minority over that. In my opinion, since we already had our coach inmind, and weren't even going to consider interviewing any other candidates, we shouldn't be forced to interview somebody that we know won't have achance of getting that job. What do you think about that situation?
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT


If you were an African-American coach, would you want an interview just because a team HAS to give you one?
And its on that black coach to go in there and blow the doors off that interview. He may not get the job, but he has planted a seed. and maybe the next job opening, the good ole boy owner tells the next owner, U know "so & so" had a great interview with me. U should look into him.

To me, it is affording someone an opportunity who otherwise wouldnt be given a fair shot.

wanna see un fair hiring practices, go look at NCAA College Football and tell me they dotn need their own "Rooney Rule"



I agree w/ you whole-heartedly. Along w/ the points you made people have to realize that Pro and College coaching interviews aren't your typical"job interview", they generally take days to complete, have multiple aspects and follow up interviews. Allowing more black coaches to go throughthese interviews increases their familiarity w/ the hiring process for higher profile positions as well as puts pressure on front offices to consider them asviable candidates. Experience never hurt anyone. So yeah, I agree w/ the Rooney Rule and I think College sports needs a similar rule in place as well.
 
I dont think affirmative action works, personally I thought it promoted more hate during civil rights. I think if owners and GMs want to hire their friendsinstead of what is in the best interest of the team so be it.
 
when all of Division 1 football has 4 black head coaches, something has to be done. Its not acceptable at all.





Realistically, there will be no change on the horizon for college and their hiring practices. there is however one far fetched solution (it wont happen ) BlackTeenagers should stop signing with Big schools that refuse hire black coaches. Take they%%!+ to a HBCU just like "we" were forced to do in the40's, 50's and 60's. Imagine this scenario, Texzas A&M, hires Sherman with no interviews of any black candidates. Then all the black kidsde-committ, I bet u that would spark change.



If I could, I would sit down with these athletes to really look into that. I would tell them, you are the same athletes that will want to be coaches, and thatsame school u gave your blood sweat and tears for will slam the door in your face and will have NO chance to be coach. seriously, think about how much powerthat could have, if they all decided to play for HBCU teams
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. Imagine all the recruits turning down Scholly's to Miami and going to FAMU, or Gramblingor Bethune Cookman. U think College Presidents and Chancellors wouldnt take notice and begin to change their antiquated, bigotted, hiring practices ...





Honestly, when I was 17 and I knew then what I know now, I woulda have signed to play for a historically black college.

ahhh Im getting down off my soap box, its a slow day at work, so I reserve the right to hop back on it, if need be.
 
when all of Division 1 football has 4 black head coaches, something has to be done. Its not acceptable at all.




that's just sad
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but based off of 4 coaches out of 115+ 1A schools is more of a problem than what the NFL has. I was just talking to a friend about all the BS that SylvesterCroom probably is subjected to even though he is the ACTIVE coach at his school.



I wonder what the stats are for college hoops?
 
Doublejs I just went through my own count of BCS conferences for bball

and came up with 15 or 16
 
I agree its needed in CFB.....You got your black assistants on every team....But no head coaches....
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Hopefully people like Ken Norton Jr. and Dude who went from Michigan to Louisville (Forgot his name) will get a shot


College basketball... You got

Skinner
Capel
Hamilton
Dude from Miami
Dude from Missouri (Mike Anderson)
Tubby Smith
Trent Johnson from Stanford...
Dude from VCU
Dude from St. Johns
Hewitt from G. Tech
Dude from UVA
Sidney Lowe
JT3
Kelvin Sampson


Damn, the ACC got damn near all of them....
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(Allen, who's the 15-16 you got??? )
 
Imagine this scenario, Texzas A&M, hires Sherman with no interviews of any black candidates. Then all the black kids de-committ, I bet u that would spark change.
We didn't even interview anyone else, not even any white people. Not one single person. After Fran retired, Sherman was hired the next daythat the University was open (that next Monday), leaving only 3 days of vacancy (the University was closed all 3 of those days). It's pretty obvious thatA&M was 100% sure that they were going to hire Sherman. I guess I can kinda see your views and respect them, but in my opinion, if a school is set on whothey want, and don't even interview any other candidates, they shouldn't have to interview a minority. But if they start interviewing more than oneperson, I feel that the "Rooney Rule" is a pretty good idea.

when all of Division 1 football has 4 black head coaches, something has to be done. Its not acceptable at all.

As allen3xis said though, that is pretty absurd.
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

It is a God-send.

Thank you NFL for actually addressing a glaring problem.



Its more than a token interview. It gets black candidates that would never have gotten a look a foot in the door.

Every Job is about Networking. and if you arent apart of the network, you will never make any head way.



How can black candidates getting an interview, they wouldnt normally get, be a bad thing ?



If you were an African-American coach, would you want an interview just because a team HAS to give you one?


And its on that black coach to go in there and blow the doors off that interview. He may not get the job, but he has planted a seed. and maybe the next job opening, the good ole boy owner tells the next owner, U know "so & so" had a great interview with me. U should look into him.



To me, it is affording someone an opportunity who otherwise wouldnt be given a fair shot.



wanna see un fair hiring practices, go look at NCAA College Football and tell me they dotn need their own "Rooney Rule"






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u took that word for word from espn

ur not gonna admit it but that was word for word
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Yea ur right because none of my sentiments are my own. and my other repls is from where?

Ur trying too hard to be funny Bruh.
 
Originally Posted by tmay407

Imagine this scenario, Texzas A&M, hires Sherman with no interviews of any black candidates. Then all the black kids de-committ, I bet u that would spark change.
We didn't even interview anyone else, not even any white people. Not one single person. After Fran retired, Sherman was hired the next day that the University was open (that next Monday), leaving only 3 days of vacancy (the University was closed all 3 of those days). It's pretty obvious that A&M was 100% sure that they were going to hire Sherman. I guess I can kinda see your views and respect them, but in my opinion, if a school is set on who they want, and don't even interview any other candidates, they shouldn't have to interview a minority. But if they start interviewing more than one person, I feel that the "Rooney Rule" is a pretty good idea.




The problem w/ that reasoning is that any school can say "Well we already knew who we wanted to hire so we shouldn't have to follow that rule. That can expand to "We already know that of these 3 candidates , one would be hired, so there is no need to interview anyone else. It creates an open forschools and teams to get around the rule. the rule needs to be hard and fast or people will take advantage. I think that w/ TAMU what should be considered iswhat Edwards said in the second quote.
"The Rooney Rule," Edwards said, "was instituted as a prod for granting access that traditionally has been blocked, not always because of racism but because of limited vision.
Why not pull from the best pool possible, instead of setting your sites on only one person?
Calvin Sampson

Kelvin
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I'm just talkin BCS dre



and I got



JT3

Mike Anderson

Al Skinner

Frank Haith

Paul Hewitt

Dave Leiato

Sidney Lowe

Leonard Hamilton

Oliver Prunell

Norm Roberts

Stan Heath

Tubby Smith

Ernie Kent

Calvin Sampson

Trent Johnson





a few more in mid majors...Binghamton and Princeton have now off of JT3 coaching tree, after that I'd have to research
 
yea Allen, take into account the actual number of black players too. Imma guess its over 60% for both sports
 
Yeah....I was trying to think off the top of my head....



We got damn near the same list....Except you got names...and I had "Dude from....."



I believe that if he doesn't leave, Johnny Dawkins will be the next coach ad Duke (I don't want Wojo and I don't want Collins at this moment)....



And eventhough they are my boys, the whole Jimbo Fisher ordeal is a perfect example of someone's circle excluding other candidates...
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Yea ur right because none of my sentiments are my own. and my other repls is from where?

Ur trying too hard to be funny Bruh.

wow, sensitive much?

i knew you wouldnt admit it. Your trying too hard, period.


as far as the rule.

im for it but its a shame that it exists.
 
I think with basketball there has been progress made and it will continue



Football though, something needs to be changed asap. I mean 4...4?
 
kelvin sampson is Native American correct?



are there even any latin or Asian coaches on anyone's staff in DI football or basketball?
 
I mean, for the fact that we actually reached double digits for B-Ball should tell you the difference between Football/Basketball.....

And, the only way to get these AD's attention is to affect their biggest moneymaker....Which is usually football..... And If people took the idea thatGunna had.....OMG, CFB as we know it would never be the same.....

Could you imagine Hampton vs. Jackson St. being the true national championship????
 
I'm no fan of affirmative action so naturally I find the Rooney Rule to be ridiculous. That said, the NFL isn't a free market so those rules and trendsof the market are insulated from making an impact on the league itself by design.
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

kelvin sampson is Native American correct?



are there even any latin or Asian coaches on anyone's staff in DI football or basketball?

Dat Nyugen aTm

If we are including the Polynesians as well, then there are a couple more....
 
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