Doctors are the #1 Cause of Death in the United States

Hodog16 said:
FutureMD said:
I wouldn't say people are trying to "protect" it as much as they are trying to explain it.

Doctors (decent ones at least) are competent enough to know the criticisms people have about their profession. Depending on where they work, they hear it all the time. From dealing with administrators to belligerent patients to their overworked co-workers...all while trying to maintain a standard of quality and adequate care. Its tough. 

Theres a lot of misinformation being spread and there is are quite a few hardline opinions being taken by those who have had negative experiences.

We have one guy who thinks Doc's didn't want to save his already super sick and super old grandfather. We have another guy who got a UTI but thinks the medicine will kill him. We have another guy who keeps posting articles saying how doctors really aren't doctors. 

I think medicine is hard to change radically because of the stakes involved. The sheer consistency of it all is what attracts many to the field, besides those obvious cases where you might experience something completely novel. In any case, Dr's face many more risks than anyone here is taking credit for. 

I don't think anyone is opposed to changing things for the better. But some of the criticism taking place is ENTIRELY counterproductive.
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Based on your username and idealistic nature, you must be a 1st year med student or something.
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I've seen and keep up with the negative stories. I know tons of MD's (students, residents, and attendings). I work around them and I'm filling out secondaries. 

I'm prepared to be disappointed. 

What's your speciality? 
 
FutureMD said:
Rashi? 
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offbad said:
not sure if srs.
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idc if you think i'm not being serious cuz you're wrong. :D i can guarantee memorization is probably the last thing a musician worries about. you have to practice so much just to be able to play the piece that many times you end up memorizing it anyways, involuntarily. and yes i have a music conservatory diploma and i've played musical instruments all my life
 
UTVOL23 said:
Hey Hodog nice to make an appearance.
I think you were doing fellowships last time i saw you in a thread.
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Thanks. Yes finished with training in June after my PGY7 year (:nerd:).

You guys are going to lose on Friday night too by the way :tongue:.


FutureMD said:
I've seen and keep up with the negative stories. I know tons of MD's (students, residents, and attendings). I work around them and I'm filling out secondaries. 

I'm prepared to be disappointed. 

What's your speciality? 
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Just busting your chops, mainly because you mind me of how I used to be on this board back in the day. Much fewer people to represent back then. Good luck with the secondaries.

Peds cards.
 
Hodog16 said:
UTVOL23 said:
Hey Hodog nice to make an appearance.
I think you were doing fellowships last time i saw you in a thread.
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Thanks. Yes finished with training in June after my PGY7 year (
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You guys are going to lose on Friday night too by the way
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FutureMD said:
I've seen and keep up with the negative stories. I know tons of MD's (students, residents, and attendings). I work around them and I'm filling out secondaries. 

I'm prepared to be disappointed. 

What's your speciality? 
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Just busting your chops, mainly because you mind me of how I used to be on this board back in the day. Much fewer people to represent back then. Good luck with the secondaries.

Peds cards.
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PGY7?!

Gah'damn.

Paper. 

Straight.

Paper. 
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il prescelto said:
offbad said:
not sure if srs.
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idc if you think i'm not being serious cuz you're wrong.
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i can guarantee memorization is probably the last thing a musician worries about. you have to practice so much just to be able to play the piece that many times you end up memorizing it anyways, involuntarily. and yes i have a music conservatory diploma and i've played musical instruments all my life
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so it's like going through a proficiency such that you memorize it?

that's cool though which conservatory. 
 
il prescelto said:
idc if you think i'm not being serious cuz you're wrong.
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i can guarantee memorization is probably the last thing a musician worries about. you have to practice so much just to be able to play the piece that many times you end up memorizing it anyways, involuntarily. and yes i have a music conservatory diploma and i've played musical instruments all my life
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No you don't. You were supposedly in HS just last year, deciding between 3 schools. 

Here's the thread you made:

http://niketalk.com/t/293787/michigan-vs-cornell-vs-cal

Oh, let me guess! You went to a conservatory at 15, got a diploma in a year or two of course, then went back to high school, and then finally applied to regular undergraduate programs, culminating in the above thread?

And musicians have to memorize the millisecond nuances of 10 minute pieces to even stand to make it a career. Do you understand how rigorous the audition process is for a major symphony orchestra? There can be no mistakes, ever.
 
HankMoody said:
il prescelto said:
idc if you think i'm not being serious cuz you're wrong.
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i can guarantee memorization is probably the last thing a musician worries about. you have to practice so much just to be able to play the piece that many times you end up memorizing it anyways, involuntarily. and yes i have a music conservatory diploma and i've played musical instruments all my life
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No you don't. You were supposedly in HS just last year, deciding between 3 schools. 

Here's the thread you made:

http://niketalk.com/t/293787/michigan-vs-cornell-vs-cal

Oh, let me guess! You went to a conservatory at 15, got a diploma in a year or two of course, then went back to high school, and then finally applied to regular undergraduate programs, culminating in the above thread?

And musicians have to memorize the millisecond nuances of 10 minute pieces to even stand to make it a career. Do you understand how rigorous the audition process is for a major symphony orchestra? There can be no mistakes, ever.
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Oh, and I played the viola for 8 years. 
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My grandfather was cool before he got treatment the only problem he had was fatigue and swollen lipnoids. Then they hit him with the chemo and it went so bad that they decided to put it on hold for 4 months. I had three family members that died from some form of cancer and once the chemo started they all had the same effects fluid on or in the lungs and organ failure what are the chances of that. I witnesses some many things that just made no sense. For someone that has specialized in treating cancer to tell me they have never seen this or that before and then hear a few months later that someone half his age had the same issues once they received chemo makes me think hospitals and doctors sell false hope to keep business booming. Sickness is a gold mine when you've got a ton of desprit people out there willing to give up whatever to be well again. They had some Ish in a IV bag that looked like antifreeze if guys haven't seen it first don't defend it, and when I say first hand I quit my job all that taking birdbaths in the hospital bathrooms literally lived there
 
HankMoody said:
No you don't. You were supposedly in HS just last year, deciding between 3 schools. 
Here's the thread you made:
http://niketalk.com/t/293787/michigan-vs-cornell-vs-cal
Oh, let me guess! You went to a conservatory at 15, got a diploma in a year or two of course, then went back to high school, and then finally applied to regular undergraduate programs, culminating in the above thread?



And musicians have to memorize the millisecond nuances of 10 minute pieces to even stand to make it a career. Do you understand how rigorous the audition process is for a major symphony orchestra? There can be no mistakes, ever.
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Actually I do, from the SF conservatory of music. granted, they're called certificates, the distinction between diploma and certificate is kinda of hazy because the conservatory doesn't even offer diplomas, they offer certificates and degrees. in many european countries kids start going to conservatories when they're little (like 5 or so) and end up getting what's called a diploma at age 18 or so before going to college. In the u.s. it's usually called a certificate, but it's the same thing.

the point is, i went to two different conservatories for about 10 years total, one in Italy and on in SF (the sf conservatory), got a certificate from them, studied 5 years of music theory, and played piano for about 15 years, organ, and violin.

actually, i do understand, because my brother is a professional musician and i've played instruments all my life...have you? and no, the major difficulty isn't memorization. for starters, you're talking about orchestras...wtf do you think scores are for? for musicians to doodle and draw pretty pictures while they aren't playing? if you want me to go more in depth and explain why memorization is one of the last concerns of a musician, i can derail the thread and do so, or you can go back to studying for your courses at northwestern or whatever you do in life (i would double check if you are actually a student at northwestern but i actually have a life) and stop trying to ether someone online and get e-props :rolleyes
 
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LONGSTROKE said:
This thread rocks. Please allow me to share my very recent story about my doctor.

I must say, I have had a wonderful relationship with my GP for many years. He's been my grandmother's physician as well, who just recently turned 90 years old. 

So a few weeks ago, I'd been experiencing some bad gas pains, and then some serious heartburn, serious enough to think that I was having a heart attack. The pressure that was building up in my chest was simply ridiculous. Afraid that something was seriously wrong, I called my Doc, and he then told me to come in. As soon as he saw me, he began laughing.

Oh, you thought you were dying, didn't you!  

He then ushers me into his office.

So he asks me what I'm feeling, and I explain. He takes my blood pressure, which was elevated, but understandably so. He listens to my heart and lungs, then gives me the cup to pee in.

All the while, he was laughing.

Now, I know this cat and he only laughs like that with me when he already knows the answer. There was a time when I was teen that I thought that I got burned by this chick, and once I pulled my pants down, he even laughed then, making me laugh, then immediately telling me to change my laundry detergent.

We, have a relationship of sorts.

So with each test, he explains to me what he is looking or listening for. He also tells me what I should look for, if there is really any trouble or cause for concern. We also talk about how to prevent things from happening. He says, and I quote, outside of congenital issues, a human being if he practices good hygiene, both mental and physical, getting enough rest, then practicing proper eating habits, exercising regularly, should be able to live a good, healthy, productive life. 

So the first thing he asked me, in regard to my most recent issues, is if I am doing anything differently, or if I have added anything new to my diet.

I hadn't added anything new eating wise, but after thinking for a minute, I was using some new mouthwash and tooth paste.

He immediately started laughing again, then telling me that many people are suffering from acid reflux, due to the peroxides and bleaching agents that are now being used in mouthwashes and toothpastes.

Since I brush and rinse before going to bed, that is when the attacks got really bad.

He then filled a script for some stuff like Prilosec, then told me to find a toothpaste without Peroxide or any bleaching agents, then explained to me how those agents effect the upper digestive tract. I could only use salt water for rinsing and gargling.

Before he sent me on my way, he laughed again. 

He called me by my name, then asked, don't you think that I know when people are about to die? I can see it. One thing you don't want to do when you don't feel well, is to panic.

I then let out the biggest fart ever, and all the gas and chest pain ceased immediately. I kid you not.

I love my doctor, and I wish that everyone had one like him.

Bedside manner is of the utmost importance.
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il prescelto said:
Actually I do, from the SF conservatory of music. granted, they're called certificates, the distinction between diploma and certificate is kinda of hazy because the conservatory doesn't even offer diplomas, they offer certificates and degrees. in many european countries kids start going to conservatories when they're little (like 5 or so) and end up getting what's called a diploma at age 18 or so before going to college. In the u.s. it's usually called a certificate, but it's the same thing.
the point is, i went to two different conservatories for about 10 years total, one in Italy and on in SF (the sf conservatory), got a certificate from them, studied 5 years of music theory, and played piano for about 15 years, organ, and violin.
actually, i do understand, because my brother is a professional musician and i've played instruments all my life...have you? and no, the major difficulty isn't memorization. if you really want me to explain why, i can derail the thread and do so, or you can go back to studying for your courses at northwestern or whatever you do in life (i would double check if you are actually a student at northwestern but i actually have a life) and stop trying to ether someone online and get e-props
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Okay. Sorry about that. For me, conservatory diploma implied post-secondary study so I hope you can see why I had the assumption that I had. And just throwing out credentials doesn't really mean anything without an explanation. So yeah, sorry. 

  This tangent originally started from your bashing of the memorization involved in med school. I said every single accumulation of knowledge, expertise or trade involves intense memorization and I stand by that.

Explain to me how memorization isn't an integral part of the learning process for a musician.I read a piece in the Boston Mag article from earlier this year about the audition process for the BSO and memorization of every nuance of a piece was my gist of it. How exactly is memorization not important to a musician? I never said it was the major difficulty of being a musician. Re-read my posts. Creativity? How many professional musicians with conservatory degrees create original music? 
 
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This thread :lol:

Doctors :pimp: so much respect for those that dedicate themselves to healing others. I always wondered what would happen if I had rededicated myself to the sciences. I've always had an immense interest in health but I didn't have the drive when I was younger. Maybe in the future it might be something I'd revisit. Maybe not even as a doctor but in some facility.

Family story time:

My uncle has been an IT specialist for the better part of two decades. He heads the IT department at UCSF's Pediatrics department. If any of you guys work there, his name is David. When he was in his late twenties - early thirties, he suffered a heart attack. Back then, I was only in elementary school and it scared the crap out of me. Everyone kept telling me that people as young as him didn't get heart attacks. He survived. After that episode, he totally turned his life around. He began exercising everyday, cut out red meat and most alcohol (he's still a huge red wine collector), no smokes, and, most dramatically, rededicated himself to learning something completely new. After years and years of night and weekend classes, he finally got his nursing degree (paid for by UCSF too :pimp:)
 
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HankMoody said:
Okay. Sorry about that. For me, conservatory diploma implied post-secondary study so I hope you can see why I had the assumption that I had. And just throwing out credentials doesn't really mean anything without an explanation. So yeah, sorry. 

Explain to me how memorization doesn't matter to a professional musician. I read a piece in the Boston Mag article from earlier this year about the audition process for the BSO and memorization of every nuance of a piece was my gist of it. How exactly is memorization not important to a musician? I never said it was the major difficulty of being a musician. Re-read my posts. Creativity? How many professional musicians with conservatory degrees create original music? 
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Np, yeah maybe I should have said certificate.

Well, if we're talking about orchestras, of course you have to memorize what the director wants from you, the piece, etc. However, it doesn't really require a lot of effort, it comes naturally. Remembering the pieces you play, like I said, is very easy: you practice them so much to master other aspects of them (practice and experiment with different interpretations, develop the muscle memory to gain speed, cleanness, strength in some cases,etc.) that actually remembering the piece is a non-issue most of the time. Actually remembering a piece of music is kind of like learning a basketball move. You might practice the footwork 1000's times to get it clean and consistent, but you don't really have trouble remembering it. It's a lot of muscle memory. Actually remembering what comes next in the music isn't a concern most of the time.

As far as remembering nuances, even then it's mostly a matter of doing what you know the director (or you, if you're a solo musician) wants in that section of the piece, not remembering to do it. If you watch a masterclass, for example, you will see that a lot of time is spent trying to get "that sound" or "that texture" out of the student. The student doesn't really have a hard time memorizing it, the really hard part is being able to achieve what is being asked of you. Like, a director might say something like "do a rallentando (slow down) and crescendo before bar 156, and make it sound like this": first off, you can write all of that in your score, but once you hear it done once you probably remember it very well and just work very hard to recreate what the director wants, experimenting a lot and trying different things. Auditory memory definitely helps, based off of my experience it's very easy to remember what stuff sounds like, or should sound like.

I was thinking of solo performers when I mentioned creativity, but either way creativity is ESSENTIAL in music. Do you listen to Soulja Boy? No, because all he does is copy other artists. The same is true in classical music, no one wants to hear someone who simply plays all the right notes but doesn't add any emotion or personal interpretation to the music. Musicians are appreciated because of their skill, but also because of what they can bring emotionally to a composition.

The hardest things to remember are actually things like, when to come in after you have had a long rest, or doing repeats and stuff like that. But really, it's not a very big deal.

edit: futuremd, i'm kidding, the viola is actually a great instrument...but it is the least respected string instrument, sorry :lol:
 
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il prescelto said:
HankMoody said:
No you don't. You were supposedly in HS just last year, deciding between 3 schools. 
Here's the thread you made:
http://niketalk.com/t/293787/michigan-vs-cornell-vs-cal
Oh, let me guess! You went to a conservatory at 15, got a diploma in a year or two of course, then went back to high school, and then finally applied to regular undergraduate programs, culminating in the above thread?



And musicians have to memorize the millisecond nuances of 10 minute pieces to even stand to make it a career. Do you understand how rigorous the audition process is for a major symphony orchestra? There can be no mistakes, ever.
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Actually I do, from the SF conservatory of music.
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did you play in the SF symphony; do you know Jeff Biancalana?

or Mary Fettig
 
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That's fine and all but I'd like to point out that med school is only 4 years long and the your residency length. There is almost no experience before med school. Most musicians play for a decade before even reaching post-secondary school, right? That's a decade worth of intense practice and muscle, auditory, and mental work with music. Context matters.

Do you not think a surgeon in training knows what he needs to cut? But does he have the hand-eye coordination to perform the task, probably perfected by practice? Can he make the cut the imstructor asks of him? Does he have to get creative due to the uniqueness of the patient? Do you understand where I am going with this?

Practice, in essence, is memorization to me. What else could it be considered? Why are you doing it if not to perform properly at a higher stage? And how would you if you haven't the mental, auditory, and muscle memory needed, all developed by practice? I still stand by my original point. Bottom-line: intense memorization p is not a valid critique of med school as it is in everything.
 
RELLI45 said:
My grandfather was cool before he got treatment the only problem he had was fatigue and swollen lipnoids. Then they hit him with the chemo and it went so bad that they decided to put it on hold for 4 months. I had three family members that died from some form of cancer and once the chemo started they all had the same effects fluid on or in the lungs and organ failure what are the chances of that. I witnesses some many things that just made no sense. For someone that has specialized in treating cancer to tell me they have never seen this or that before and then hear a few months later that someone half his age had the same issues once they received chemo makes me think hospitals and doctors sell false hope to keep business booming. Sickness is a gold mine when you've got a ton of desprit people out there willing to give up whatever to be well again. They had some Ish in a IV bag that looked like antifreeze if guys haven't seen it first don't defend it, and when I say first hand I quit my job all that taking birdbaths in the hospital bathrooms literally lived there
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I'm not trying to be insensitive but your grandfather had leukemia dude. Even though he might have been cool on the outside doesn't mean his body wasn't eating itself alive on the inside. He was getting closer to death every day. Doctors don't present false hopes. They present real numbers and statistics. We practice evidence based medicine. Patients are given all the reasonable info and the choice is up to them knowing that chemo is not always successful and that the side effects are troubling.
 
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