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in any demographic, background, religion, whatever...IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD CHILDREN, DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN.. its as simple as that. If you are working at a long hour job but aren't making a decent salary than you cannot afford the time and money to dedicate to raising a kid. going against this rule results in what we see today.
Simply asking people to make this logical and rational choice doesn't result in it becoming the norm. 70% of black children are raised in a home without a father. People aren't simply going to stop having relations. What we have seen in NYC as a result of increased availability of birth control may be what we need to see more of in Chicago schools.
Teen Pregnancy down 27% in New York City over the last decade | Health Commissioner Tom Farley credits the new results to contraceptives and teens delaying sexual activity.
NYC schools giving out tens of thousands of doses of the 'morning-after pill' | NYPost
yes you are right, and im going to go ahead on cosign all of this. (at least you saw it as logical and rational ) . i think the increase in availability to contraception combined with support from the chicago education system can stem unwanted pregnancies, which in turn reduce, unwanted births/abandoned kids. im guessing that out of the 70% of black kids who grow up without a father, more than 50% end up on the wrong path in some form or another...?
thank you. i always laugh. yup, keef is to blame.
As others have said, it's not a matter of blaming anyone. It's a matter of acknowledging Chief Keef and other rappers like him are an embodiment of that violent culture of lifestyle. It's a mainstream portrayal of that culture and as such serves to legitimize it on a minor level. How? Mainly for the younger kids, who see these rappers as successful because they're rich powerful celebrities that can do whatever they want. And with black children being raised by single parents in about 70% of black households, many are looking for guidance and role models.
Listen to Lupe here. He chooses his words carefully.
EDIT: Just want to thank NT for making this a really successful thread so far. Very respectful debate/discussion on a heated topic. Lets keep it rolling.
thread is appreciated. interesting topic that i feel doesn't get enough attention. also my workload is stupid low so im bored as **** at the office now.
as for the lupe video i like how he describes it as incubation. it really is the best way to picture the rinse and repeat life of ignorance and violence that gets past on from generation to generation within these communities.
Why doesn't the NAACP come in and do something worthwhile aside from being a scapegoat? Like it's been said by a couple posters above me, people on the streets have no respect for authority- so why does it matter if there's 1 or 10 cop cars on the block? It's gonna be a never ending cycle for our population if the root cause isn't addressed! We need supervision in the family. Don't blame the schools, the cops, the system. Our president is black- that shows that anything is possible today. The world is yours, and unfortunately people are never gonna get out of the hood, the violence, the drugs if the problem isn't fixed at home. Is it the cops job to make sure our kids get the homework done? Is the teacher responsible for what his or her students do 6 hours after the final bell rings?
I hate to say it, but I really think the Bill Cosby mentality is the only way to fix problems like this. We need to stop pointing fingers and be held accountable for our actions!
my man
repped and cosigned. i have been preaching this from the start. if it starts with the kids than the solution starts at home. PERIOD. anything else would be a big help but wouldn't solve the problem fully, you need to start at the source. the same way children aren't born racist, the same way they aren't born violent and rachet. this non snitching, violent, gang life is taught, plain and simple. if you have a kid, you be responsible for that kid. (with that said, if you can't be responsible for a kid, use a ******g condom ) make sure that kid knows that the keef way isn't poppin and that it will only land you in jail or in the earth.
Lets be clear, im talking about black folks. Yes, black. Im lying or sugarcoating if i put it any other way. most of the killing is within the black community. and at damn near 50 in 4 weeks into 2013, thats a lotta ******g blacks killing/being killed. the no snitching clause in this mess is just the cherry on top. Now if i sound racist than so be it. I'm black and it pains me to say all this, but wtf am i supposed to say? Give reasons as to why its not black folks fault? Hardships aside, most of these killings aren't survival (food, shelter, etc) related. Its on some ********. And there is no gov't body, law, or social institution to blame more than the people themselves.
If kids are brought up right, then they in turn will instill in their kids the same level of responsibility and desire to make something of themselves in life.and succeed. But if they are brought up with lack of responsible parenting, then it will continue to be a rinse and repeat process and **** will never change.
for reference http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/02/us/chicago-killings.html
the thing is it is bigger than that, too many make the assumption that people aren't being accountable but what about the accountability society has to its people? the world we currently live in makes it harder to get by for a whole lot of people, one of the biggest things coming up for a lot of black & latino youth is how early we are introduced/get accustomed to criminalization, and up not getting second chances & opportunities to make good on them if they are given. society seems to have decided this is ok, there definitely something that need to addressed in the culture of impoverished hoods, but to say that it boils down to accountability is naive; how is it my fault that i don't make enough bread to comfortable take care of my family? that i may have to work multiple jobs/long hours that keeps me out touch with what may or may not be going on in my household? education/justice system/globalization/technology/war on drugs has disproportionally affected urban blacks & latinos, all these things are factors; definitely not impossible to overcome but the deck is HEAVILY stacked against you if you are an urban minority and the exceptions make it seem to be easier/more possible than it maybe is. as more people's skills be made obsolete/less valuable by the pace of change maybe people will come around to discussing how we need to proceed together & actually engage in some thoughtfulness on how we balance capitalism/competition with actually caring about what happens to actual people...
strong rebuttal, but challenge accepted. yes society does share some responsibility to the welfare of its people. times are changing. the cost of living has rapidly gone up at a greater rate than the avg salary. this trend is especially hard for those who make at or below min wage and work long hours. their costs are going up but their ability to pay gets harder...i get that. this reason alone it can be hard for parents to do their job as parents, but this isn't to say that even if they had the time, they'd do a good job because they could just as well be as ignorant as the kids running the streets. but why does everyone make it seem like a parent saying "hey i want my kid to get outta this area, outta this life, to do better than what we have now" is impossible? you don't make enough bread because you're at a job that doesn't pay, and in this case its more likely because its a menial job that doesn't require extensive education. so its only logical to conclude that education will generally allow for acquiring higher paying jobs.
assuming many black and latino youth come up in rough areas, early exposure to crime and that street life is an issue def. these rappers who are out there glorifiying it to these same youth are just making the problem worse far worse than it needs to be, but as was stated to me before, keef (example i used) although adding to the problem, isn't the source. he is a product of the environment that incubates this type of mentality.
BUT THAT isn't to say that a kid coming up in this environment can't walk down the right path. To contrast the parent who works long hours, there are many parents who work an eternity but still make sure they do whatever it takes to get their kid to college on a path to success. WORD to Sonya Sotomayor, supreme court justice from the south bx.
job markets are changing, and the demand for more science/medicine related education is skyrocketing. kids need to adjust to the needs to society so they can find a place in it. the resulting effect will allow for more jobs and a stronger economy. engineering professors, and famous scientific minds have been saying this for years.
You could go to the roughest school...doesn't matter. If you succeed in school, you can go to college and its happened many times. America is hard for a minority. But not impossible. But a kid to succeed needs to be pushed to do so. that is the only way. only then will the trend that incubates the violent hood life break. you can't rely solely on social institutions to be 100% responsible for the kid. won't work, word to dookey from the wire.
and last point, how do address ignorance? lotta people in the hood stupid and ignorant as ****, abusing the system to buy **** they can't afford and/or absolutely don't need.
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