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Whether You Like it or not our Government does things not in our best interest
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in a general section on a SHOE FORUM....he is all but one person...i mean i could see your point if it these things were posted on a twitter feed by a large and famous figure head with a huge following. But to use this very small sample size as an example is poor.
Put it like this...if you went out and proposed two topics... govt. agendas, atrocities etc... vs latest happenings of any reality tv show/star....it would be overwhelmingly more ppl who know about the latest happenings of kim k, or snookie etc... then they would about Project ARTICHOKE, Frank Olson, or Barry Seal. i would go as far as to say it would be an easy 10 maybe even 20 to 1 ratio.
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The point is that because of the internet, all of this information is easily accessible.
What are YOU doing to educate the public about these topics?
What are YOU doing to educate the public about these topics?
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Every "government" (or entity in power), from the beginning of time and on every continent, has done shady stuff to either get in power or remain in power.
I don't think the vast majority of people care, honestly.
Conspiracy theorists have cornered the market on exploiting free speech. Go to any other country and try to pop off like this, you're disappearing before the sun sets...
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I don't think the vast majority of people care, honestly.
Conspiracy theorists have cornered the market on exploiting free speech. Go to any other country and try to pop off like this, you're disappearing before the sun sets...
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Conspiracy theories are the new reality TV if you hadn't noticed.
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Maybe in 1776 it wasn't. But if you look at the trend of everything that has happened since then, that is exactly what is going on. Based on the original principles of the Constitution vs what is happening now, you can't tell me that we're not currently being intentionally screwed over by the government.
And I don't even know why you mentioned Obama, the system is much, much bigger than him. The POTUS is only a footnote in the grand scheme of things.
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"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
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Like i said in another thread...so is info on dieting and eating properly...and yet we still are the fattest nation in the world... So is a plethora of knowledge, yet we arent leading the world in education...People dont wanna know and ppl dont care. False monetary wealth, social acceptance, and instant gratification is the be all that end all, and the driving force of most of the general public in our nation.
If it was that simple as oh its available...if that was the answer for all of our problems, we would damn near have an utopian society, but we dont. Outside is easily accessible, yet we have fat/lazy ppl....divorce etc... is at an all time high, yet we have more conflict resolution agents, marriage counselors etc... and are more available then ever before. Higher education is more accessible and easier to obtain and yet in still... I mean i could go on and on, but i think you get the point.
Wedding with a fat diamond ring is more important then not having a ring from blood diamonds, having latest retros trumps not buying it in order to end sweatshops...and so forth. The govt. knows this, hell im sure a good amount of ppl know this. But it is to the point that the abnormal is seen normal. And who cares about why 911 happened, or looking/questioning the events surrounding it...not when apples about to announce the new ipod touch, why delve into "sandy hook".. when its more enjoyable to check out someone latest pics on instagram, some famous person controversy twit/tweet... or the latest hi jinks on wshh.
Whether you and i like it or not, and whether you choose to accept it, this is the society we live in. Where ppl got most of their knowledge on abe lincoln from a blockbuster movie...rather then research, where ppl tweet hashtag in favor of a amendment, and dont even know what it says outside of whatever flashed on the boobtube or on a webpage headline. Where more ppl can name the three shows of the kardasians, then the three branches of government.
Face it...we in most parts live in a nation that knowledge is no more then a tool, just to get material things we want in life. That if it doesnt involve personal enjoyments in life...most ppl could careless and dont desire to be informed or have knowledge of it.
Finally i find it ironic that you said what am i doing to inform the masses...yet your point was that anybody can easily get and obtain this knowledge is funny. If it is, and i agree so easy to access these things....why dont ppl? Simply put, ppl dont care to search, or care to learn for the multitude of reasons i listed above.
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It's good to have a healthy distrust of the government, because they aren't always looking after you. The US government needs to go back to a weaker state in my opinion, as North America was originally supposed to be.
Anywho, it's good to look at both sides. It is just as likely to be a 'normal' event, as it is to be a conspiracy.
Anywho, it's good to look at both sides. It is just as likely to be a 'normal' event, as it is to be a conspiracy.
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there's a lot to talk about. but the truth that amazes me the most about the US is the fact that we have erased many lives from existence: entire families in Pakistan and Afghanistan have been gone because of drone strikes and because someone was commissioned to send the orders. And we get like one mass bombing here and everyone panics and tweets for like an entire week about the Tsarnaev brothers' motivations. We really do have it nice in the US. And that's because our government knows what the general population, the majority, our country's best interests are: stable lives that don't have to face that insecurity or danger day after day.
The day TV channels stop broadcasting and WiFi gets taken away, as well as the communications signals used for cell phone radios are stopped, the entire country will really get their jimmies rustled. And the government knows that we can't afford to let that happen. That's why cybersecurity is the focus of DARPA and diplomats are talking with the Chinese to stop their hackers from messing up our digital infrastructure.
Ultimately we are all humans and our interests are all innate animal behaviors.
The day TV channels stop broadcasting and WiFi gets taken away, as well as the communications signals used for cell phone radios are stopped, the entire country will really get their jimmies rustled. And the government knows that we can't afford to let that happen. That's why cybersecurity is the focus of DARPA and diplomats are talking with the Chinese to stop their hackers from messing up our digital infrastructure.
Ultimately we are all humans and our interests are all innate animal behaviors.
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No, not this God fearing country. 
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Wake me up when NT learns to differentiate between a conspiracy, a conspiracy theory and classified information
@ The Manhattan project being a conspiracy theory
@ The Manhattan project being a conspiracy theory
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The Manhattan Project has actually been ranked the largest conspiracy in the United States. However, you are too caught up in the definition of "conspiracy" to realize that.Wake me up when NT learns to differentiate between a conspiracy, a conspiracy theory and classified information
@ The Manhattan project being a conspiracy theory
"An agreement between two or more persons to engage jointly in an unlawful or criminal act, or an act that is innocent in itself but becomes unlawful when done by the combination of actors."
It is unlawful to create nuclear weapons in complete secrecy. It's smarter, of course, but it is not in the best interest. The government has protected itself from persecution with clauses, but that does not make the act unlawful. That is just the government being unjust. You and I could do the exact same thing, and probably be sentenced to death. It's an illegal act, which is a given. When you have the people who make the laws, who then break the same laws. It is an illegal act.
In addition, the government will ALWAYS be exempt from any laws. If a conspiracy was somehow discovered in the recent Boston attacks, what would happen to the government? Would anyone really go to jail, or be sentenced to death?
Not a single one of them would.
Same thing applies with the Manhattan Project. They did an unlawful act, in secrecy, and were not punished.
We exempt ourselves from worldwide organizations because we would get in more trouble than Osama Bin Laden with all of the war crimes we have committed. Including the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.
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Wake me up when NT learns to differentiate between a conspiracy, a conspiracy theory and classified information
@ The Manhattan project being a conspiracy theory
The Manhattan Project has actually been ranked the largest conspiracy in the United States. However, you are too caught up in the definition of "conspiracy" to realize that.
"An agreement between two or more persons to engage jointly in an unlawful or criminal act, or an act that is innocent in itself but becomes unlawful when done by the combination of actors."
It is unlawful to create nuclear weapons in complete secrecy. It's smarter, of course, but it is not in the best interest. The government has protected itself from persecution with clauses, but that does not make the act unlawful. That is just the government being unjust. You and I could do the exact same thing, and probably be sentenced to death. It's an illegal act, which is a given. When you have the people who make the laws, who then break the same laws. It is an illegal act.
In addition, the government will ALWAYS be exempt from any laws. If a conspiracy was somehow discovered in the recent Boston attacks, what would happen to the government? Would anyone really go to jail, or be sentenced to death?
Not a single one of them would.
Same thing applies with the Manhattan Project. They did an unlawful act, in secrecy, and were not punished.
We exempt ourselves from worldwide organizations because we would get in more trouble than Osama Bin Laden with all of the war crimes we have committed. Including the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.
Source on the unlawfulness of the Manhattan Project
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Wake me up when NT learns to differentiate between a conspiracy, a conspiracy theory and classified information
@ The Manhattan project being a conspiracy theory
We exempt ourselves from worldwide organizations because we would get in more trouble than Osama Bin Laden with all of the war crimes we have committed. Including the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.
Source on the unlawfulness of the Manhattan Project
How about the Geneva Convention stating that you cannot target a civilian population? Which is exactly what was done. Twice.
It's against international law.
I see you didn't fully comprehend my post, which is fine.
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Rightly or wrongly, the project was, at it's core designed to protect the US by ending the war, and therein lies the fundamental difference -If the US government had developed the project with the intent to drop the bombs over US soil for some shady, ulterior motive then you would have a point. But for this reason the Manhattan project should really be classed as a top secret military operation rather than a conspiracy ...hence why I specifically mentioned classified information.
Was it legal or a war crime are different arguments. (which for the record, semantics and technicalities aside, I would basically agree with you on)
As for the Boston bombings, If some kind of government conspiracy were found to be true, I think it's fair to say there would be overwhelmingly serious repercussions for those involved.
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The US government is corrupt just like anyone else who has power over others. The US government is flying drones all over our country spying on it's own people yet no one cares. Why would the government be spying on it's own people for?
My mother in law works at Area 51. They want you to think that it's all about aliens
It's so top secret out there that when they use to take her out there by bus, they would cover up all the windows so they didn't know where they were going. They now fly the workers out every day. My mother in law only works in the kitchen and most of the buildings and rooms out there are off limits to only the people working on the projects and top government officials. The government is developing new technology at Area 51. She said they believe the technology being developed is 15 to 20 years ahead of the general population.
I believe all of them UFO sightings that people catch on camera aren't aliens but it's really the US government flying and testing new air crafts. Just think about it. The government has developed a plane that can fly from LA to New York in 12 minutes. Just think what they have developed that they don't want the public to know about.
My mother in law works at Area 51. They want you to think that it's all about aliens
I believe all of them UFO sightings that people catch on camera aren't aliens but it's really the US government flying and testing new air crafts. Just think about it. The government has developed a plane that can fly from LA to New York in 12 minutes. Just think what they have developed that they don't want the public to know about.
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Here's a link to some shady stuff the FBI has been doing thst you might not know about.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/...nt-you-know-about-its-surveillance-techniques
Article about Iran. I don't know how creditable it is
http://decryptedmatrix.com/live/ast...t-the-u-s-government-doesnt-want-you-to-know/
Some other facts I found while on this site. Interesting read
http://decryptedmatrix.com/live/11-secret-documents-americans-deserve-to-see/
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/...nt-you-know-about-its-surveillance-techniques
Article about Iran. I don't know how creditable it is
http://decryptedmatrix.com/live/ast...t-the-u-s-government-doesnt-want-you-to-know/
Some other facts I found while on this site. Interesting read
http://decryptedmatrix.com/live/11-secret-documents-americans-deserve-to-see/
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All of that is common information. You can find all that just by google searching, none of that is astonishing
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So is the info in the first post by the OP.All of that is common information. You can find all that just by google searching, none of that is astonishing
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exactly...but how many ppl actually look it up? and as i stated before how many ppl actually care? And how many ppl would actually say/speak out on things...unless it has a immediate/direct effect on their lives from an monetary/superfiscal aspect. You can take their freedoms so long as you dont take their facebook.So is the info in the first post by the OP.Just posting stuff some people might not know about since people in this thread didn't know some of the things OP posted. So what's your point your trying to get at? Everything posted in here can be found from goggle searching
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