2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[awwsome]

Harden was probably on one, he might regret that move.

 

[CP1708]

You're wrong but I understand where you're coming from, pointless to continue to talk about it cause you're obviously stuck in your ways.

Jordan hasn't been bypassed by anyone statistically though so it ain't just nostalgia why he has his position like you're using with Magic.

Ok, I was on my phone earlier, now I can type more freely on CPU.

What stats are you referring too? Are you basing this on PER? (I didn't read the ESPN article cuz, ESPN, so not sure what you mean by stats on Chris's side)


Here's what I know.

Magic played 900 games. His career cut short at 12 seasons. He played 2 years in college.
900 games, he had 138 Triple Doubles, that I know of.
In the past few months, NBA.com brought out old boxscores and I began trying to track down Magic's game by game stuff. Lengthy, but I do **** like that.
138 Triple Doubles, do you have ANY idea how many 10-10-9's there were? We're talking a rebound here, an assist there, a point somewhere from him approaching 250 Triple Doubles in 900 games.

I mentioned the 6-9 thing as a point that he rebounded better than any PG, ever. 7.2 PER GAME for a PG.

19.5 Pts
11.2 Ast
7.2 Rbs
2 stls
36.7 min

PER, game. 52% shooting. 85% free throws. The 3 point line didn't even join his era til midway thru his career. He took less than 50 3's a season for 9 years, and then the final 3 years of his career began shooting them alot. 188, 276, and 250 attempts those years.

In just the playoffs for Magic

19.5 Pts
12.3 Ast
7.7 Rbs
2 Stls
39.7 min


His two college years?

17.1
7.6
7.9



CP3 to this point

18.6 Pts
9.9 Ast
4.4 Rbs
2.4 Stls
36.5 min

.472 % and 86% free throws.

Playoffs

20.9
9.5
5.0
2.2
39.6 min

.482% and 83%


CP also played 2 years in college

15.0
6.3
3.9


So, what stats are we going by? Offensive Rating? Where Paul is #1, and Magic is #3, and Reggie Miller is #2? Kiki Vandeweghe and Sidney Moncrief in 5th and 6th place. Jose Calderon #9 ALL TIME? This our ruler?

Is it PER? Where Paul has a 1 point edge on Magic, again, in different eras, where Magic didn't get the usage of the 3 point ball that CP3 has, both for scoring, and assisting? Or maybe the rules in place for today's guards where you can't touch a guy, but in Magic's day you could clothesline a teammate and it's just a personal foul?

What stats are we using that say Chris Paul is going to surpass Magic?

Again, I stayed off wins, titles, etc, I just used what you are allowing me, numbers.


Cuz if I just took out what game it was, but rookie Magic as we all know started a game at Center, dropped 42-15-7 WITHOUT the other star everyone would want to bring up, and did so ON THE ROAD.

Chris Paul, as a Rookie, goin to line up at Center, in Philly, without David West (or whoever his best teammate is) and win a game on the road, with 42-15-7, again, at Center for that game?

Is Paul lookin to flirt with 250+ Triple Doubles in 900 games, and I don't even know the playoff counts, but I know Magic got more in the postseason than anybody in history.


What stats are you using, to tell me and the rest of us Chris Paul is comin for Magic's title? I would like to view them please.

 

[darthska]

Less than 50 3s a game for 9 years?!

Hell, I hope so!!!

DAMN.

Magic out there going all Shuttlesworth on 'em!

 

[shoeking2101]

S/O The Western Conference champs this year the Clips

 

[Chester McFloppy]

What stats are you using, to tell me and the rest of us Chris Paul is comin for Magic's title? I would like to view them please.

 

[Peep Game]

Ooooh Jesus Harden.

Metta World Peace rollin over in Ron Artest's grave

 

[Chester McFloppy]

S/O The Western Conference champs this year the Clips

 

[pmatic]

When are we going to accept that team success should never factor into comparing individual players?

That's not how team sports work, and players aren't general managers. No real reason to give credit/discredit to one for the success/failure of his team(s), other than the fact that people have been aimlessly doing it forever.

I agree with this point wholeheartedly, but Chris Paul has been the GM of the Clippers for the past two summers.

 

[00david00]

so...

more points, rebounds, and assists, with a higher FG%

:x

wrap it up

 

[lawdog1]

CP - you should e-mail your last post to the dude that wrote the article for ESPN and ask him to respond.

 

[had pants]

CP just went in..

 

[Peep Game]

CP have it all

 

[darthska]

CP gonna CP. 

 

*waits for "But, but, but... the HOFers", "Easier league", or "HOFers in an easier league."*

 

[pepperjackchees]

 

Rockets’ James Harden Being Sued For Punching Heckling Lakers Fan

According to the lawsuit, Harden was on his way out of Greystone Manor nightclub in West Hollywood November 3rd — riding in the back seat of some SUV — when he rolled the window down to greet fans.

That’s when a man named Barak Golan says he shouted at Harden, “Kobe owns your ***!” and Harden allegedly socked him in the face.


Harden didn’t stop at simply punching the heckling Lakers fans as he also flipped off Golan as his SUV sped away. Clearly, Harden wasn’t in the right frame of mind thinking he’s simply runaway without any consequence.

As a result of the incident, Harden is being sued by Golan for assault and battery.

Link

From the name, he sounds like the typical spoiled Persian kids who live in West LA. 

 

[shoeking2101]

CP gonna CP.   

*waits for "But, but, but... the HOFers", "Easier league", or "HOFers in an easier league."*

Buttttt.... :\

 

[CP1708]

CP - you should e-mail your last post to the dude that wrote the article for ESPN and ask him to respond.

I looked it just now, he's basing it off advanced stats.

The whole I find in that is again, 3 point line.

Magic gets X many assists on 3 pointers in 1988

CP3 gets X many assists on 3 pointers in 2008


3 pointers in 2008 were in the thousands, so who created more points? Chris Paul.

They could both have 500 assists, but if 150 of Chris's are 3's due to era/style, how do those numbers balance out generationally?


Magic played in a faster era tho, against barbaric defensive rules compared to the soft as tissue defense you have to play now, so I have no idea how you quantify that.


I do know one thing. In his own link to reference .com, when explaining some of their formulas, they couldn't get turnover numbers for the early 70's, so they would calculate off of team turnovers, and divide by a bunch of **** to create the numbers for guys like Kareem, etc. They basically just filled in some blanks with made up numbers to then give a "value" to Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Come on.



I like numbers, I'm growing on the whole advanced stuff, I'm learning. I don't just summarily dispute them or throw them out the window. But the numbers I posted are pretty telling. I can't even get the total of Double Doubles Magic had in his career, because I can't get the full box scores for his career. But the 4-5 years I could get, he was an absolute freaking machine. Some of his games are just a joke.

 

[JD617]

Magic played his entire career with the 3-point line. The first year of threes was also Magic & Bird's rookie year. Unless you mean they didn't shoot nearly as many threes back then because that's true.

 

[herbshuttles15]

Magic can't speak English but that ***** could ball, top 3 player of all time

 

[lawdog1]

Edit.

 

[sea manup]

why does CP have to have the same initials as CP 

 

[darthska]

^ Leave Chandler Parsons out of this.

Rockets thread is elsewhere.

 

[CP1708]

I love Chris Paul, please nobody think I am bashing this man. He is THEE best PG in this era by a wide margin. Love his game. (minus the flopping)

I am NOT disrespecting the man.


Magic, is Magic.


I have a few examples. Mean nothin, don't mean nothin, you decide.

Magic retires, 1991.

Comes back, 1995. Older, fatter.

First game back. FIRST, game, back, in the NBA, 4 years later.

19 pts, 10 assists, 8 rebounds.

27 minutes.

Get the **** outta here Magic.


91, his final year, heading to the playoffs, this is without Kareem, Worthy breaking down, the Divac, Sam Perkins, Magic led team.

Consecutive games, at age 31

19, 14, 12 (pts, asts, rebs)
23, 12, 10
19, 10, 3 (He played 2 quarters folks)
30, 10, 12
10, 14, 9
20, 9, 9
31, 8, 8

He's like a couple extra quarters, 2-3 rebs and assists from 7 straight triple doubles, and this isn't even his prime, and with the least amount of talent around him in his career.

That was Magic.


Not the old guy in 95 that eventually pushed a ref into a scorers table, or the horrible announcer we all make fun of, that, was Magic. Triple Double threat every, single, game.


88-89 he had 17 Triple Doubles. He had TEN, games with 9 rebounds. TEN. That's 27 Triple Doubles with 10 boards over the course of an 82 game season.


I'm sorry, but there isn't a better PG than that. Stockton, Nash, Paul, they can shoot, they can create, they can pass, they can run an offense, they could never, ever, ever do that. Never.

I'm sorry.

 

[herbshuttles15]

why does CP have to have the same initials as CP 

CP = Cliff Paul and he secretly hates on his brother.

 

[CP1708]

Magic played his entire career with the 3-point line. The first year of threes was also Magic & Bird's rookie year. Unless you mean they didn't shoot nearly as many threes back then because that's true.

Yes. The "game" was different. It's why I mentioned, he himself shot fewer than 50 every year for 9 years, then the last 3 the game opened up, and he started shooting them like crazy.
Rest of the team is similar.

Attempts back then were 3-4-5 a game. Today, it's 3-4-5 a possession sometimes.

 

[al3xis]

I can't even believe this is being entertained.