2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[black migo]

its not as easy as you might think

6'3 non athlete SG's with short arms who can't play the 1 aren't in the league that long. Bobbie Gibson, Eddie House...and that white guy with the last name Carrol

I can't think of many, I would say Danny Green but he's 6'5.

Fisher still getting them checks

 

[awwsome]

Look at this poverty bucks hawks game on NBA TV right now from october of 1970. I can't believe that some people actually think that any of those players with the exception of Kareem are any good. (Oscar included)

Great for their time period? Sure. But any unbiased person watching can see just how cringeworthy all of these players are on the floor. Then again, I am comparing their standard of play to today's, but still. There are people who actually think that guys from that era are better than the guys of today

You gotta think about how many advancements there have been in training methods and how much the game has developed in general since then. You got kids in doing windmills before they reach middle school nowadays, **** wasn't like that before

All those guys are still skilled players

 

[psydekicks]

True but I always wonder how the old greats would fare today

 

[shoeking2101]

You gotta think about how many advancements there have been in training methods and how much the game has developed in general since then. You got kids in doing windmills before they reach middle school nowadays, **** wasn't like that before

Nah I get that, that's why I mentioned "Then again, I am comparing their standard of play to today's, but still. There are people who actually think that guys from that era are better than the guys of today"

Basically, I just can't say any of those guys until like the 80's came along where players were actually good if we strip down timelines and take it for face value.

Of course that isn't fair, but when people talk about how "good" guys like Oscar Roberson were, and say that he's better than players of today, that's when I start to build a gripe.

I often feel like 70% of the NBA was pure garabge up until the 80's. But they were great for their time period. Great players for their time? Sure. But When people say they are better than the players today, that' s just flat out absurd.

 

[awwsome]

True but I always wonder how the old greats would fare today

Kareem
Oscar
Wilt
Russell
Unseld
Dr.J
Connie Hawkins
Gervin
Bob McAdoo
Moses Malone

All guys that could play today and thrive IMO

 

[shoeking2101]

True but I always wonder how the old greats would fare today

On one hand, I would say painfully bad. They are terrible in comparison to today's players. There are players in the NBA today who will never touch an ASG but if they played back then we would be talking about them as hall of famers.

On the other hand, considering how great those players were for their time, just imagine if they grew up with the advances of basketball culture added to their already superior ability for their time period?

Double edged sword.

 

[sohoguy]

Detroit have a solid roster just need to get rid of Jennings

 

[duba169]

They could actually shoot a midrange jumper. That's an improvement over many of the amazing athletes of today.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

People always get on me for saying Larry Bird wouldn't be great today as he was back then

 

[awwsome]

People always get on me for saying Larry Bird wouldn't be great today as he was back then

Na Bird would still ball out pre back injury, he's one of the most skilled players to play the game ever. Better question is if he would be as good without playing with all those HOF'ers

 

[shoeking2101]

Kareem
Oscar
Wilt
Russell
Unseld
Dr.J
Connie Hawkins
Gervin
Bob McAdoo
Moses Malone

All guys that could play today and thrive IMO

I don't know man, I'm watching it with my own eyes. Kareem I think maybe. But physically, he's so slow and unathletic in comparison to today that "thriving" isn't the word I would use. Face up Jumper and a skyhook wouldn't exactly be thriving to me. But even for today's standards he has incredible size.

I don't think Russell would thrive at all. By today's standards he would be undersized not only in height, but weight and was very limited offensively even for that time. I don't see how he would thrive

Can't speak on unseld, haven't watched him play enough. Dr. J would be okay I think but again, he wasn't exactly a deft shot creator and a deft shooter by any means. But he had size and was uber athletic, even for today's standards. If anyone could find a way to thrive in today's game, it would be him despite his lack of a handle and creativity.

Gervin was a supreme scorer who would probably do well today, just not "Thrive." Really slow release and couldn't put it on the floor that well even against the competition of then. Scoring instincts and size for position though would allow him to okay/well, but not thrive.

The rest, I don't know. Shoutout youtube and NBATV though, for without them a 21 year old like myself wouldn't know **** about these guys

 

[ill steelo]

Clowning against CLE

#1 in the west too, with Duncan looking every bit of age 37 offensively & Gino looking only marginally better since the last time we saw him. Amazing system Pop has down there.

I hope he doesnt really retire when Duncan does.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

People always get on me for saying Larry Bird wouldn't be great today as he was back then

Because thats idiotic.

34 year old Larry Bird in 1992, averaged 20 points, 7 assists, and 10 boards game while wearing a gigantic back brace, and taking injections every half.

was 92 the stone ages? What do you think he would have done healthy.

This whole "training method" nonsense to discredit past greats is getting out of hand.

 

[noblekane]

You know your team sucks when the lakers are favored against you

 

[shoeking2101]

People always get on me for saying Larry Bird wouldn't be great today as he was back then

I'm torn on how he would be today. Simply because the competition he faced in the mid 80's does rival a bit the competition of today and he of course excelled. I mean if he wouldn't be as great today, how much less of a player would he be?

Guys like Dirk who excelled in this era suggest Bird probably would do awesome. Especially in today's NBA he probably would play some 4 at times and be a matchup nightmare. Could shoot, create for himself and others, play out of the post..those things to me make up for his lack of athleticism.

 

[antidope]

If PG24 is a star right now I have no reason to believe Larry wouldnt be

 

[awwsome]

This guy S shoeking2101 thinks Kareem wouldn't thrive in today's NBA? yea that's where I exit stage left.

I'm sure these centers today would just lock up a guy who has two unstoppable moves and a plethora of other post moves/basketball IQ

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I don't know man, I'm watching it with my own eyes. Kareem I think maybe. But physically, he's so slow and unathletic in comparison to today that "thriving" isn't the word I would use. Face up Jumper and a skyhook wouldn't exactly be thriving to me. But even for today's standards he has incredible size.

I don't think Russell would thrive at all. By today's standards he would be undersized not only in height, but weight and was very limited offensively even for that time. I don't see how he would thrive

Can't speak on unseld, haven't watched him play enough. Dr. J would be okay I think but again, he wasn't exactly a deft shot creator and a deft shooter by any means. But he had size and was uber athletic, even for today's standards. If anyone could find a way to thrive in today's game, it would be him despite his lack of a handle and creativity.

Gervin was a supreme scorer who would probably do well today, just not "Thrive." Really slow release and couldn't put it on the floor that well even against the competition of then. Scoring instincts and size for position though would allow him to okay/well, but not thrive.

The rest, I don't know. Shoutout youtube and NBATV though, for without them a 21 year old like myself wouldn't know **** about these guys

Kareem maybe?

lol wut

He was 7'2 260, who do you think is stopping him in todays NBA? also he is INCREDIBLY athletic for his size, how many guys 7 feet plus moved like him? like what are you talking about?

Russel was 6'10, what about him is undersized?

the game was different, it doesn't mean it was worse.

 

[alphawolf]

shoe king is 21. Spare him for his lack of basketball knowledge.

 

[marcmac360]

Russell would EAT in today's game. No doubt about it.

 

[grandtheftbike]

oj mayo would be one of the goats if he played in that era [/shoeking]

 

[shoeking2101]

Kareem maybe?

lol wut

He was 7'2 260, who do you think is stopping him in todays NBA? also he is INCREDIBLY athletic for his size, how many guys 7 feet plus moved like him? like what are you talking about?

Russel was 6'10, what about him is undersized?

the game was different, it doesn't mean it was worse.

For what it's worth, Russel by most accounts was 6'9 220...if you don't think that's undersized then...

 

[awwsome]

shoe king is 21. Spare him for his lack of basketball knowledge.

I'm 21 too that **** ain't an excuse for what he just said, just cause you're young doesn't mean you can't be a historian of the game especially in 2013

 

[shoeking2101]

Russell would EAT in today's game. No doubt about it.

How?

 

[shoeking2101]

shoe king is 21. Spare him for his lack of basketball knowledge.

Okayyy, so because you have a different view on a hypothetical situation I don't have basketball knowledge? ****