RAIDER NATION Season THREAD:

Raiders’ QB Carr posting respectable rookie stats




Peyton Manning has thrown an NFL record 515 touchdown passes and won the MVP award five times. The Broncos quarterback is the face of the NFL and even dominates the commercials when the games take a break.

But once upon a time, Manning was Derek Carr — a rookie quarterback on a really bad team.

Carr is 0-8 with the Raiders, who host Manning and the 6-2 Broncos on Sunday. Sixteen years ago, Manning was 1-8 on his way to 3-13 with the Colts, and he threw 28 interceptions. Carr has only seven picks at the halfway point.

“Experience was my best teacher,” Manning said in a conference call. “There’s no question that I learned a lot of things that I would not have learned if I wasn’t in there playing. Learn from the good things and of course you’ve got to learn from the mistakes as well. But, I do think that being in there facing the live action is really the only way to learn how to play quarterback in this league.”

Through eight games, Carr has a better pass-completion rate (60.7 to 55.5) and the same number of TD passes (11). Carr beat out 11th-year veteran Matt Schaub before the season started, and has been loving the hands-on experience ... aside from, of course, the zero wins part.

“A lot of people learn in different ways, but for me I need to be out there and I need to see it,” Carr said. “For me, it’s been great. I’m looking forward to getting some wins going on, going into the last half of the season.”

Raiders interim coach Tony Sparano thinks it’s a no-brainer, especially because his offensive line has done a great job of protecting Carr (he’s been sacked only eight times).

“Anytime you get this kind of experience, it beats the heck out of the other kind of experience where you’re just sitting on the sideline and there’s an unknown there, when all of a sudden you’re called in there and you have to do it,” Sparano said. “I think that Derek’s experience right now in game situations, game management situations, the things that he’s seeing, that he learns from every week — I think that’s a huge, huge value.”

It also helps if you are a mature player coming into the situation, which both Manning and Carr were. It also helps if you grew up in football families, which they both did.

Carr “appears, for a young player, to be very smart — I think ahead of his experience,” Broncos coach John Fox said.

And he’s only going to get smarter.

“If I were watching this as an opponent,” Sparano said, “that would concern me down the road.”

Briefly: Rookie guard Gabe Jackson, who has started every game, missed a second straight day of practice with a knee injury. Sparano hasn’t ruled Jackson out, though at this point it seems unlikely he’ll play. Ten-year veteran Khalif Barnes, who started the season in the lineup at right tackle, would take his place ... Cornerback Carlos Rogers (knee) and backup Chimdi Chekwa (hamstring) were also out, but cornerback TJ Carrie (ankle) returned and was limited in practice, as was defensive end Justin Tuck (knee). ... Receiver Kenbrell Thompkins was not at practice because of personal reasons for the second time in two weeks.

Vic Tafur is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. E-mail: vtafur@sfchronicle.com Twitter: @VicTafur

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Peyton Manning likely will never forget his first trip to the Bay Area as an NFL player.

It was Oct. 18, 1998, when the rookie quarterback’s 1-4 Colts came to Candlestick to play Steve Young’s 4-1 49ers — and lost 34-31.

Two weeks earlier, Manning got his first win as a pro against a San Diego Chargers team that would finish 5-11, and he was looking for his first signature win against an elite team.

The Colts jumped out to a 21-0 lead as Manning threw two touchdown passes to Marvin Harrison, but the 49ers closed to 21-17 when Young threw TD passes to J.J. Stokes and Terrell Owens in the final two minutes of the first half.

However, the TDs, many experts believed, shouldn’t have counted.

The Chronicle’s Ira Miller wrote, “In the final three minutes of the first half, Young threw two passes that were intercepted in or near the Colts’ end zone. Both times, the picks were wiped out by defensive-holding penalties. Neither penalty appeared warranted on the replays.”

In the fourth quarter, with the game tied 31-31, Wade Richey’s game-winning field goal was set up by another controversial call by Walt Coleman’s crew, a 27-yard interference call on Colts cornerback Tyrone Poole, again covering Stokes.

Sports Illustrated writer Peter King’s wrap-up began: “Colts 31, 49ers 20. We’ve corrected the score because referee Walt Coleman’s crew robbed Indianapolis blind at 3Com Park on Sunday and handed San Francisco a 34-31 gift. Peyton Manning really beat the Niners with a fearless, three-touchdown, no-interception day.”

Two days later, in a first, the NFL publicly apologized to coach Jim Mora and the Colts for incorrect calls on pass-interference and defensive-holding penalties that contributed to the 49ers’ rally.

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ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis met with a delegation of officials from San Antonio on Friday to talk about a potential move for his franchise.

Former San Antonio Mayor Henry Cisneros and other city officials traveled to the Bay Area for the meeting, which comes about four months after Davis and other team officials had met with the group in San Antonio.

Raiders owner Mark Davis continued his meetings with San Antonio officials Friday.
"We're going to present San Antonio's strengths and assets in the most persuasive way possible," Cisneros told the San Antonio Express-News before the meeting. "We have a very, very good opportunity to set it forth in a way the Raiders can digest."

Team officials declined to comment on the meeting.

The Raiders are in the final year of their lease at O.co Coliseum and are seeking a long-term deal. Davis has said his first choice is to remain in Oakland but he has been unable to reach a deal for a new stadium with local officials. The Raiders also could move back to Los Angeles, their home from 1982 to '94.

The Raiders are the only NFL team that shares its stadium with a baseball team. The Athletics recently signed a 10-year lease to remain in Oakland, but that agreement includes a provision to allow the Raiders to knock down the Coliseum for a new football stadium.

The Raiders left Oakland once before, when they moved to Los Angeles following the 1981 season. Late owner Al Davis brought the team back to Oakland in 1995.

Raiders officials also attended a college football game earlier this year at the Alamodome in San Antonio to determine if it was suitable as a temporary home, should they decide to move there.
 
Wouldn't surprise me. Rumors about Mark are that dude is not that great of a "business man". 

Regardless of whatever his intentions are - if it's using SA as leverage, or actual interest in them I think it's horrible for him to do this mid season.

I understand he only has months left in his lease at the Coliseum, but dude...you're going to worry your fan base about the team leaving and probably make this place seem like even more of a circus. If you're a potential free agent or a hot coach bout to hit the market would you even consider the Raiders with so many things in motion? 
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Raider5 said:
Wouldn't surprise me. Rumors about Mark are that dude is not that great of a "business man". 

Regardless of whatever his intentions are - if it's using SA as leverage, or actual interest in them I think it's horrible for him to do this mid season.

I understand he only has months left in his lease at the Coliseum, but dude...you're going to worry your fan base about the team leaving and probably make this place seem like even more of a circus. If you're a potential free agent or a hot coach bout to hit the market would you even consider the Raiders with so many things in motion? :smh:
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Exactly. No big name gonna wana come here when the franchise is full of uncertainties..Mark is really screwin the team..
 
 I heard today on sports talk, all the NFL owners want Mark Davis out of the NFL because he isn't wealthy like the other owners lol. 
 
You guys ever run into another person with Raiders gear and you don't say anything but just feel each others disappointment. :smh:
 
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You guys ever run into another person with Raiders gear and you don't say anything but just feel each others disappointment. :smh:
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i saw a guy in a Mack Authentic last week at Levi's Stadium :lol: gave him daps

his wife said "do they know that most of their employees are raider fans" :lol: :lol:
 
I usually jus giv the head nod when I see another fellow raider fan. Some are enthusiastic and some aren't. The best encounter I've had is when I was in a Safeway and it was like 5 of us and one started the RAAIIDDERRRSS and we got in it and got mad loud in the store. Manager asked us to leave LOL...
 
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@RAIDERS: Raiders Inactives: QB Matt McGloin, CB Carlos Rogers, CB Chimdi Chekwa, CB TJ Carrie, G Gabe Jackson, G Tony Bergstrom, TE David Ausberry
 
Since I live in the Midwest it is rare I see other Raiders fans in public, but when I do I'll give a head nod or say something depending on how I'm feeling.
 
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