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Who tf is Nick Grant?! I swear yall just saying anything in here
NY Hip Hop not being popularat the moment DOES NOT MEAN ITS TRASH
Theres plenty of talent in the state, all kinds of styles & sounds
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Who tf is Nick Grant?! I swear yall just saying anything in here
NY Hip Hop not being popularat the moment DOES NOT MEAN ITS TRASH
Theres plenty of talent in the state, all kinds of styles & sounds
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Nick Grant is nice. Found out about him on the brilliant idiots podcast. TI's old agent is working with him. He's from SC/ATL
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Well known enough for Apple...
http://mixing.io/playlist/apple-music-hip-hop-the-a-list-hip-hop
Managed by TI's ex manager Jason Geter.
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It's a few cats on there that wouldn't qualify as "well known".
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Harry Fraud makes French listenable, to the point I wish he should stop wasting beats on him
Funny how Pusha T and J Cole from the south now
When I bring up how people like Phonte and Pusha T have lyrics and should be praised, instead of the wack rappers. They aren't from the south. Now, based on the argument it's the south.
BTW, Pusha T was born in the BX.
These are 100% false. The Clipes are from VA.
Norfolk VA is country/southern as hell. They're first video was a country looking video. They might not have heavy southern accents or a heavy down south sound but they are southern rappers. Saying Pusha was born in NY is like tryna claim Jordan cuz he was born there.
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so in other words...
it changed?
as in...
it was not the same...
as it was before...
lol you a whole entire hater if you think a lex luger beat sounds like an 05 lil jon beat lmao
Trash is trash. You know the south is weak when their claim to the "throne" is production and production only. Yall _s don't be saying **** at all
Damn bruh you sound real mad.
Big KRIT alone sh*ts on any new New York rapper as far as being lyrical and he sound country den a MFer.
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I'm pretty sure I've heard Pusha or Malice say they're not southern rap and don't claim it. I can't remember which one.
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They claim Virginia but if we're talking about dudes actual music sound NOBODY would listen to the discography of the Clipse and say their catalog isn't easily more influenced by east coast rap. Cole's music is also much heavier influenced by East coast music & sound.
and outside of the Kanye/Cudi/Drake Emo/slowed down sound & trap which has been in OVERKILL for the past 5 years what new sound has hiphop as a whole created? the second thing that comes to mind is Drill and that is damn near interchangeable with the trap sound. OG's from the Bay have been complaining about Mustard stealing there wave.
Individual artist surely have their own sounds TDE, Cole, A$AP, Travis Scott, Meek Mill...... but none of these sounds are controlling their regions & are very derivative of other sounds.
What NYC needs to do is stop listening to the opinions of other regions because that is what caused us to fall off musically 5+ years ago. trying to adapt to everyone else's preference instead of just doing us. that energy is back in the city now and ****** are just getting back to doing them & it's working. All we gotta do is keep building on our momentum and watch things fall into place because there is a very STEEP dropoff from T.I, Jeezy, Ross to the cats they are trying to champion as the new faces of the Trap sound. Outside of Future/2 Chainz none of these new ****** are making music that is going to last, and the lane is getting severely crowded with impostor after impostor. it's reaching the point of exhaustion.
and outside of the Kanye/Cudi/Drake Emo/slowed down sound & trap which has been in OVERKILL for the past 5 years what new sound has hiphop as a whole created? the second thing that comes to mind is Drill and that is damn near interchangeable with the trap sound. OG's from the Bay have been complaining about Mustard stealing there wave.
Individual artist surely have their own sounds TDE, Cole, A$AP, Travis Scott, Meek Mill...... but none of these sounds are controlling their regions & are very derivative of other sounds.
What NYC needs to do is stop listening to the opinions of other regions because that is what caused us to fall off musically 5+ years ago. trying to adapt to everyone else's preference instead of just doing us. that energy is back in the city now and ****** are just getting back to doing them & it's working. All we gotta do is keep building on our momentum and watch things fall into place because there is a very STEEP dropoff from T.I, Jeezy, Ross to the cats they are trying to champion as the new faces of the Trap sound. Outside of Future/2 Chainz none of these new ****** are making music that is going to last, and the lane is getting severely crowded with impostor after impostor. it's reaching the point of exhaustion.
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In the past 10 or so years....we've gotten:
Drill from Chicago
Trap from Atlanta
Hyphy from the bay
Mustard Sound from LA
OVO Sound from Canada
Major new artist with huge followings have emerged from all of these settings. What new sound has NY bright to the table? I'll wait......
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These are 100% false. The Clipes are from VA.
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I know exactly where they're from.
They're from Virginia Beach, where I'm at now. Same as Pharrell and Chad. They showed Norfolk, because showing Virginia Beach wouldn't be the same
Southern rappers by location only, not by sound, influence or style.
There's a differences in cities Hampton Roads, much less Virginia from Georgia and Florida or Texas.
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In the past 10 or so years....we've gotten:
Drill from Chicago
Trap from Atlanta
Hyphy from the bay
Mustard Sound from LA
OVO Sound from Canada
Major new artist with huge followings have emerged from all of these settings. What new sound has NY bright to the table? I'll wait......
Bruh Harry Fraud production for French & others and not to mention ASAPs style so theres 2. Wassup with the NY hip hop bashing in here?
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In the past 10 or so years....we've gotten:
Drill from Chicago
Trap from Atlanta
Hyphy from the bay
Mustard Sound from LA
OVO Sound from Canada
Major new artist with huge followings have emerged from all of these settings. What new sound has NY bright to the table? I'll wait......
even if i give you all that (although i argue that Drill/ Mustard sound are far from new sounds) . you have a total of 5... FIVE new waves in the past 10 years, these ***** aint just being developed daily. so it takes time.
I also want to say that if these new "sounds" were created in NYC it would be completely discredited and picked apart under a microscope.
1) If we are gonna categorize Drill as a new sound although it's basically trap with different lingo & a Chicago twist, Then GS9 should be credited for doing the samething just with a NYC twist
2) Max B is right there with Lil B as far as rappers who never heavily popped but influenced SEVERAL rappers
3) When Mustard takes inspiration from another region, uses large portions of hyphy/G Funk he's praised for it, A$AP does the same to old Houston/Memphis sound they are called Biters
4) French has dozens upon dozens of tracks using the Harry fraud sound, people act as if he does just southern music.
a lot of the flack NYC gets comes off of skewed perception.
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They definitely are influenced by NY rappers but they did not have a NY sound. Lord Willin has a southern sound soon as you put it on (Young Boy and Virginia). Virginia period came in with their own sound but it still sounds southern. From the Grindin video, their album cover, the sound on Lord Willin. People around here looked at them as Virginia/South rappers, they just didn't have have the heavy accents.
And y'all keep saying ASAP mob is different whatever. Their whole style is from 3-6 and Houston rappers. Ferg be tryna do a Bone Thugs flow some times. If y'all saying the Clipes ain't south rappers then ASAP damn sure ain't NY rappers.
And y'all keep saying ASAP mob is different whatever.
Their whole style is from 3-6 and Houston rappers. Ferg be tryna do a Bone Thugs flow some times. If y'all saying the Clipes ain't south rappers then ASAP damn sure ain't NY rappers.
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In the past 10 or so years....we've gotten:
Drill from Chicago
Trap from Atlanta
Hyphy from the bay
Mustard Sound from LA
OVO Sound from Canada
Major new artist with huge followings have emerged from all of these settings. What new sound has NY bright to the table? I'll wait......
even if i give you all that (although i argue that Drill/ Mustard sound are far from new sounds) . you have a total of 5... FIVE new waves in the past 10 years, these ***** aint just being developed daily. so it takes time.
I also want to say that if these new "sounds" were created in NYC it would be completely discredited and picked apart under a microscope.
1) If we are gonna categorize Drill as a new sound although it's basically trap with different lingo & a Chicago twist, Then GS9 should be credited for doing the samething just with a NYC twist
2) Max B is right there with Lil B as far as rappers who never heavily popped but influenced SEVERAL rappers
3) When Mustard takes inspiration from another region, uses large portions of hyphy/G Funk he's praised for it, A$AP does the same to old Houston/Memphis sound they are called Biters
4) French has dozens upon dozens of tracks using the Harry fraud sound, people act as if he does just southern music.
a lot of the flack NYC gets comes off of skewed perception.
The GFunk sound started with Quik and Dre. So he's not taking that from another region. He uses some hyphy **** but most of his beats sound like LA. YG's first album sounds 100% like LA.
ASAP mob takes their whole thing from Memphis/Houston. Beats, slang, flows.
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ASAPs style does have Houston, Memphis & even Bone Thugs (Cleveland) elements to it but theres still a certain NY bravado & look that comes with it as well
Also Hyphy music is weak. I dont mess with Bay Area rap at all. Ppl wanna discredit NY so bad they brought that ******** up
Also Hyphy music is weak. I dont mess with Bay Area rap at all. Ppl wanna discredit NY so bad they brought that ******** up
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1) Don't compare Max B to that dumpsterfire Lil' B
2) ASAP shouldn't be called biters as they make a lot of good organic music. They are one of the few rappers paying homage without actually biting, and honestly pay homage more than some of your bigger favorites....
3) Hyphy sucks, always has
2) ASAP shouldn't be called biters as they make a lot of good organic music. They are one of the few rappers paying homage without actually biting, and honestly pay homage more than some of your bigger favorites....
3) Hyphy sucks, always has
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Uhh Mustard has been HEAVILY criticized for using the Bay Area sound.
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A$AP mob to me was refreshing. Nobody was doing what they were doing...and part of what makes them is their aesthetic.
But like others have pointed out...if you say Cole and Pusha aren't Southern rappers...then A$AP Mob aren't NYC rappers.
1) Drill was a big movement that put a lot of dudes on. It's sound is derived from Trap music...but it's distinctly different. GS9 borrowed from Drill, but they just had a moment. Not a movement.
2) I'm not arguing influence. Anybody from anywhere can influence anybody. As you can see by My Screename...I'm a Bi99avel fan.
3) I've never called A$AP biters. Most of the people that I've met that shun A$AP are from NYC. Look above, what A$AP did was refreshing. NYC needs more innovative sht like that. To your other point...Mustard's sound is undoubtly his own, that mixes Bay Area influences with distinct LA sounds. He created a new sound that propelled artist from LA to the Bay
4) French X Harry Fraud is appreciated. But he doesn't go to those for his singles. The ***** just said in an interview on lip service that he had to go down south to get popping, and ride that wave. Rappers rap over different productions.
Point is, all the other regions have brought a new sound to hip hop recently...expect NYC. For NYC to come back strong again....there needs to be a unified movement and a unified sound.
That is how all the other regions propeller themselves. Just look at it objectively man.
But like others have pointed out...if you say Cole and Pusha aren't Southern rappers...then A$AP Mob aren't NYC rappers.
1) Drill was a big movement that put a lot of dudes on. It's sound is derived from Trap music...but it's distinctly different. GS9 borrowed from Drill, but they just had a moment. Not a movement.
2) I'm not arguing influence. Anybody from anywhere can influence anybody. As you can see by My Screename...I'm a Bi99avel fan.
3) I've never called A$AP biters. Most of the people that I've met that shun A$AP are from NYC. Look above, what A$AP did was refreshing. NYC needs more innovative sht like that. To your other point...Mustard's sound is undoubtly his own, that mixes Bay Area influences with distinct LA sounds. He created a new sound that propelled artist from LA to the Bay
4) French X Harry Fraud is appreciated. But he doesn't go to those for his singles. The ***** just said in an interview on lip service that he had to go down south to get popping, and ride that wave. Rappers rap over different productions.
Point is, all the other regions have brought a new sound to hip hop recently...expect NYC. For NYC to come back strong again....there needs to be a unified movement and a unified sound.
That is how all the other regions propeller themselves. Just look at it objectively man.
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**** it, I'll call 'em biters. Them dudes say trill more than Pimp C ever did. Ferg's whole Trap Lord tape (south slang) sounds like some Hypnotize Minds project from 2002 that got scrapped.
Harry Fraud is a great producer. The problem is only French and Action Bronson really work with him. The sound he makes ain't the trend. He has soulful, gritty sound. I love it but it's the thing now.
Harry Fraud is a great producer. The problem is only French and Action Bronson really work with him. The sound he makes ain't the trend. He has soulful, gritty sound. I love it but it's the thing now.
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I feel the only reason Hyphy ain't take over cause Mac Dre died(TIP), **** was too cold. Seemed like nobody else was as focused on the music as he was
Call them what you want but ASAP did introduce a fresh sound. As far as Harry Fraud, beats like his always gonna be around and relevant, but at the end of the day, it ain't pop/mainstream, so it has to take the backseat
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NY can't create a sound becaus that real rap isn't what the kids want to hear today. They want the most simple lyrics over a hard *** bass beat. NY been trying that and it's wack. It's not a good look.
A$AP definitely has their own sound. That's what's dope. Their beats and style is old NY with a 2015 twist. They use mad southern flows and slang though. I don't have a problem with it. It's not as southern as French is.
A$AP definitely has their own sound. That's what's dope. Their beats and style is old NY with a 2015 twist. They use mad southern flows and slang though. I don't have a problem with it. It's not as southern as French is.
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1) GS9 never got a chance to continue their movement due to charges, but since them there is a slew of other young NYC artist who are moving in on that same Wave
2) Max has influenced A lot of people's sounds, That sound is his & about as NYC as you can get
3) You may say A$AP is refreshing, whenever this argument comes up people are quick to point out that they're influenced by the south despite very DISTINCTIVELY repping NYC/Harlem. However ignore that guys like Wayne, Cole, Pusha, Ross were all heavily influenced by NYC sound. Somehow tho those guys are 100% southern while A$AP mob does the same thing and gets discredited.
4) French has to do singles that have a southern Tempo, because radio stations follow a specific scientific formula that pre determines what casual radio listeners will enjoy, Southern sounding hiphop is clearly the tempo that this formula has determined works the best.
Like i said both Mustard & the whole Drill seen is just a mashup of two different cultures. I don't have a problem with that, my problem comes when people claim it's original on their ends & when NYC does the same mixing of other cultures to create a sound, then it's biting. Criteria changes all the time when NYC is involved.
start at the 5:00-15:00 Mark, This **** goes way further than NYC isn't making "Good" Records. This is a FOCUSED calculated formula.
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Pretty much my take on them
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^ Trap Lord was NY beats and a fresh sound? Y'all smart, y'all know that was 3-6 all day.
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ASAP's entire aesthetic came from SpaceGhostPurrp. They bought him into the crew, borrowed his style, then discarded of him.
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Have ya'll ****** listened to A$AP since their first projects? their sound has evolved even more & is distinctly theirs.
