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Sergio said that he's immediately exercising his option for a fight with JCC Jr. since he's the WBC champ emeritus. Arum is shooting for October 1st or 8th for JCC Jr/Cotto. I doubt they'll strip JCC Jr. if he refuses to fight Sergio. You could tell Sergio was ringside licking his chops to fight Jr.
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If Zbik had any pop on his punches, that fight is a different story.
 
Sergio said that he's immediately exercising his option for a fight with JCC Jr. since he's the WBC champ emeritus. Arum is shooting for October 1st or 8th for JCC Jr/Cotto. I doubt they'll strip JCC Jr. if he refuses to fight Sergio. You could tell Sergio was ringside licking his chops to fight Jr.
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If Zbik had any pop on his punches, that fight is a different story.
 
Considering all the BS that comes along with boxing, injuries, promotional disputes, etc. credit to Ward and Froch for making it all the way through.
 
Considering all the BS that comes along with boxing, injuries, promotional disputes, etc. credit to Ward and Froch for making it all the way through.
 
As much as I'd like to see Froch win it, if he's serious about coming forward and trying to bully Ward he's going to lose. Kessler thought he could do that and look what happened to him and I'm sure Ward has improved a lot since then. Unless he hurts him early, IDK how effectie that'll be. Fight the fight that made Arthur not throw and I think he can pull it out.

Spoiler [+]
Saturday at Los Angeles

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. W12 Sebastian Zbik
Middleweight
Wins a middleweight title
Scores: 116-112, 115-113, 114-114
Records: Chavez Jr. (43-0-1, 30 KOs); Zbik (30-1, 10 KOs)
Rafael's remark: On Sunday, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr., the greatest and most popular fighter in Mexican history, will be inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. But before making his way to Canastota, N.Y., to participate in that piece of history, he was ringside at Staples Center for another piece of family history. His oldest son, 25-year-old Chavez Jr., won a world title in the same city where Chavez Sr. had won his first championship and in the same building where he won his 107th and final professional fight in 2005 (headlining a card his son also fought on).

Chavez Jr. has come a long way since he turned pro as a 17-year-old in 2003 without a clue how to fight. Top Rank took its time with him because, with his name, he could become a cash cow. He did, generating money on small pay-per-view cards, although his ability was nowhere near his popularity. But he began to turn the corner last year when he hooked up with trainer Freddie Roach. That, combined with some maturity (physical and mental) has him looking like a real fighter these days, even though it is impossible for him to replicate his father's accomplishments. In Zbik, Chavez was facing the best opponent of his career, even though Zbik was a bit untested himself.

The 29-year-old German won an interim belt in 2009 and defended it three times. But HBO refused to buy Zbik as an opponent for Sergio Martinez, the real middleweight champion. Martinez reluctantly did what HBO wanted since it was paying the money and signed to fight Sergiy Dzinziruk in March. Martinez was stripped of the belt and it was handed to Zbik. HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg had deemed Zbik "terrible" and "not worthy" of fighting on HBO. Of course, a few weeks after refusing to buy Zbik against Martinez, Greenburg bought him to face Chavez in a giant flip-flop. As it turned out Zbik was more than HBO worthy and not terrible. He turned in a very good, entertaining and credible performance against Chavez, who showed himself to be at about the same level of Zbik. In other words, they are both good middleweights, but not world beaters. But their styles meshed nicely and we got a good action scrap.

Zbik is usually a technical boxer, but he dispensed with that and stood inside and traded with Chavez throughout the bout. Neither showed any serious punching power as they swapped a ton of shots. The crowd of about 7,000, nearly all of whom were cheering for Chavez, was really into the fight. Zbik clearly won most of the early rounds before Chavez began to pick it up in the fifth round, when he wobbled Zbik with a right hand in the final seconds. Chavez had another big round in the seventh in what was an increasingly exciting slugfest. The fight was tight down the stretch, but Chavez was clearly landing harder punches. He was destroying Zbik with his body attack, especially late in the fight. He closed very strong, sweeping the final three rounds on all three scorecards to win the majority decision that perhaps could have gone either way by a point or two.

A rematch would certainly be fun, but Top Rank will have other plans for Chavez, whose ability to bring in more cash now that he has a title will be better than ever. Top Rank's Bob Arum has talked about a possible big pay-per-view fight in the fall between Chavez and junior middleweight titlist/pay-per-view attraction Miguel Cotto. That would be big. One fight you won't hear mentioned by Arum or anyone else who wants to see Chavez remain undefeated is a match with Martinez. What Martinez would do to Chavez is unspeakable. They are not in the same league. But all credit to the son of the legend. Chavez Jr. showed a lot of heart and determination, put on a terrific fight and won a title (devalued as it may be). In doing so, father and son become the fifth such duo to win titles in boxing history.

Miguel Angel "Mikey" Garcia KO4 Rafael Guzman
Featherweight
Records: Garcia (26-0, 22 KOs); Guzman (28-3, 20 KOs)
Rafael's Remark: It is just a matter of time until Garcia wins a world title. The 23-year-old from Oxnard, Calif., was in position to challenge the unwatchable Billy Dib of Australia for a vacant belt, but HBO did not want to buy the match and make its viewers suffer. But it still wanted Garcia, who had looked good in stopping Matt Remillard in his HBO debut on March 26. So Garcia turned down the title opportunity in exchange for the HBO exposure. He was scheduled to face Mexico's Miguel Beltran Jr., but Beltran showed up at his physical with a broken left hand and was not licensed for the fight. Top Rank quickly got Guzman, 25, of Mexico, who had been training for a fight on June 11, so he was prepared and on weight. Garcia had an easy time with him, which came as no surprise given Guzman's ordinary resume. Garcia's best weapon is his right hand and he used to open a cut over Guzman's eye in the second round. It was all Garcia, who ended it in the fourth when Guzman walked into a beautiful straight right hand. He went down, rolled over and tried to get up but lost his balance and could not beat the count as referee Wayne Hedgpeth called it off at 1 minute, 55 seconds. Garcia is just poised and mature for his age. He is also incredibly precise with his punches and has a nice, tight defense. Just check out the CompuBox statistics: Garcia landed 68 of 145 blows (a very high 47 percent) while Guzman landed just 28 of 240 punches (12 percent). Garcia is ready for anyone in the featherweight division, where his promoter, Top Rank, is active. Some sort of title opportunity should come his way within the next few fights.

Vanes Martirosyan TKO7 Saul Roman
Junior middleweight
Title eliminator
Records: Martirosyan (30-0, 19 KOs); Roman (34-9, 29 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Martirosyan, a 2004 U.S. Olympian, has been closing in a title shot and moved a step closer with this victory that moved him into position to become the mandatory challenger for the 154-pound belt held by Saul "Canelo" Alvarez. It wasn't easy, however. Martirosyan, 25, of Glendale, Calif., was given a huge shock in the first round when Roman dropped him with a nice combination. Martirosyan survived and went back and forth with Roman in an excellent action fight that was even going into the seventh round. Martirosyan, however, looked fresher and dropped Roman hard with a right hand midway through the round. Roman, with blood streaming down the left side of his face, beat the count but was in big trouble. Martirosyan was all over him, pounding him with numerous unanswered shots along the ropes before the fight was stopped with two seconds left in the round. Roman, 30, of Mexico, who has faced several notable opponents (Sergio Martinez, Kassim Ouma and Yuri Foreman, among them), saw his two-fight winning streak come to an end. Martirosyan is in position to fight for a title, but a mandatory against Alvarez is a long way off. Alvarez faces his current mandatory, Ryan Rhodes, on June 18. The winner will have about a year before the next mandatory is due, so Martirosyan and his handlers at Top Rank may look in another direction.

Dakota Stone TKO6 Christy Martin
Junior middleweight
Records: Stone (10-8-5, 2 KO); Martin (49-6-3, 32 KOs)
Rafael's remark: This was supposed to be Martin's triumphant return to the ring following an attack, allegedly by her husband Jim
 
As much as I'd like to see Froch win it, if he's serious about coming forward and trying to bully Ward he's going to lose. Kessler thought he could do that and look what happened to him and I'm sure Ward has improved a lot since then. Unless he hurts him early, IDK how effectie that'll be. Fight the fight that made Arthur not throw and I think he can pull it out.

Spoiler [+]
Saturday at Los Angeles

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. W12 Sebastian Zbik
Middleweight
Wins a middleweight title
Scores: 116-112, 115-113, 114-114
Records: Chavez Jr. (43-0-1, 30 KOs); Zbik (30-1, 10 KOs)
Rafael's remark: On Sunday, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr., the greatest and most popular fighter in Mexican history, will be inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. But before making his way to Canastota, N.Y., to participate in that piece of history, he was ringside at Staples Center for another piece of family history. His oldest son, 25-year-old Chavez Jr., won a world title in the same city where Chavez Sr. had won his first championship and in the same building where he won his 107th and final professional fight in 2005 (headlining a card his son also fought on).

Chavez Jr. has come a long way since he turned pro as a 17-year-old in 2003 without a clue how to fight. Top Rank took its time with him because, with his name, he could become a cash cow. He did, generating money on small pay-per-view cards, although his ability was nowhere near his popularity. But he began to turn the corner last year when he hooked up with trainer Freddie Roach. That, combined with some maturity (physical and mental) has him looking like a real fighter these days, even though it is impossible for him to replicate his father's accomplishments. In Zbik, Chavez was facing the best opponent of his career, even though Zbik was a bit untested himself.

The 29-year-old German won an interim belt in 2009 and defended it three times. But HBO refused to buy Zbik as an opponent for Sergio Martinez, the real middleweight champion. Martinez reluctantly did what HBO wanted since it was paying the money and signed to fight Sergiy Dzinziruk in March. Martinez was stripped of the belt and it was handed to Zbik. HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg had deemed Zbik "terrible" and "not worthy" of fighting on HBO. Of course, a few weeks after refusing to buy Zbik against Martinez, Greenburg bought him to face Chavez in a giant flip-flop. As it turned out Zbik was more than HBO worthy and not terrible. He turned in a very good, entertaining and credible performance against Chavez, who showed himself to be at about the same level of Zbik. In other words, they are both good middleweights, but not world beaters. But their styles meshed nicely and we got a good action scrap.

Zbik is usually a technical boxer, but he dispensed with that and stood inside and traded with Chavez throughout the bout. Neither showed any serious punching power as they swapped a ton of shots. The crowd of about 7,000, nearly all of whom were cheering for Chavez, was really into the fight. Zbik clearly won most of the early rounds before Chavez began to pick it up in the fifth round, when he wobbled Zbik with a right hand in the final seconds. Chavez had another big round in the seventh in what was an increasingly exciting slugfest. The fight was tight down the stretch, but Chavez was clearly landing harder punches. He was destroying Zbik with his body attack, especially late in the fight. He closed very strong, sweeping the final three rounds on all three scorecards to win the majority decision that perhaps could have gone either way by a point or two.

A rematch would certainly be fun, but Top Rank will have other plans for Chavez, whose ability to bring in more cash now that he has a title will be better than ever. Top Rank's Bob Arum has talked about a possible big pay-per-view fight in the fall between Chavez and junior middleweight titlist/pay-per-view attraction Miguel Cotto. That would be big. One fight you won't hear mentioned by Arum or anyone else who wants to see Chavez remain undefeated is a match with Martinez. What Martinez would do to Chavez is unspeakable. They are not in the same league. But all credit to the son of the legend. Chavez Jr. showed a lot of heart and determination, put on a terrific fight and won a title (devalued as it may be). In doing so, father and son become the fifth such duo to win titles in boxing history.

Miguel Angel "Mikey" Garcia KO4 Rafael Guzman
Featherweight
Records: Garcia (26-0, 22 KOs); Guzman (28-3, 20 KOs)
Rafael's Remark: It is just a matter of time until Garcia wins a world title. The 23-year-old from Oxnard, Calif., was in position to challenge the unwatchable Billy Dib of Australia for a vacant belt, but HBO did not want to buy the match and make its viewers suffer. But it still wanted Garcia, who had looked good in stopping Matt Remillard in his HBO debut on March 26. So Garcia turned down the title opportunity in exchange for the HBO exposure. He was scheduled to face Mexico's Miguel Beltran Jr., but Beltran showed up at his physical with a broken left hand and was not licensed for the fight. Top Rank quickly got Guzman, 25, of Mexico, who had been training for a fight on June 11, so he was prepared and on weight. Garcia had an easy time with him, which came as no surprise given Guzman's ordinary resume. Garcia's best weapon is his right hand and he used to open a cut over Guzman's eye in the second round. It was all Garcia, who ended it in the fourth when Guzman walked into a beautiful straight right hand. He went down, rolled over and tried to get up but lost his balance and could not beat the count as referee Wayne Hedgpeth called it off at 1 minute, 55 seconds. Garcia is just poised and mature for his age. He is also incredibly precise with his punches and has a nice, tight defense. Just check out the CompuBox statistics: Garcia landed 68 of 145 blows (a very high 47 percent) while Guzman landed just 28 of 240 punches (12 percent). Garcia is ready for anyone in the featherweight division, where his promoter, Top Rank, is active. Some sort of title opportunity should come his way within the next few fights.

Vanes Martirosyan TKO7 Saul Roman
Junior middleweight
Title eliminator
Records: Martirosyan (30-0, 19 KOs); Roman (34-9, 29 KOs)
Rafael's remark: Martirosyan, a 2004 U.S. Olympian, has been closing in a title shot and moved a step closer with this victory that moved him into position to become the mandatory challenger for the 154-pound belt held by Saul "Canelo" Alvarez. It wasn't easy, however. Martirosyan, 25, of Glendale, Calif., was given a huge shock in the first round when Roman dropped him with a nice combination. Martirosyan survived and went back and forth with Roman in an excellent action fight that was even going into the seventh round. Martirosyan, however, looked fresher and dropped Roman hard with a right hand midway through the round. Roman, with blood streaming down the left side of his face, beat the count but was in big trouble. Martirosyan was all over him, pounding him with numerous unanswered shots along the ropes before the fight was stopped with two seconds left in the round. Roman, 30, of Mexico, who has faced several notable opponents (Sergio Martinez, Kassim Ouma and Yuri Foreman, among them), saw his two-fight winning streak come to an end. Martirosyan is in position to fight for a title, but a mandatory against Alvarez is a long way off. Alvarez faces his current mandatory, Ryan Rhodes, on June 18. The winner will have about a year before the next mandatory is due, so Martirosyan and his handlers at Top Rank may look in another direction.

Dakota Stone TKO6 Christy Martin
Junior middleweight
Records: Stone (10-8-5, 2 KO); Martin (49-6-3, 32 KOs)
Rafael's remark: This was supposed to be Martin's triumphant return to the ring following an attack, allegedly by her husband Jim
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

you right

he shoulda lost. he got done in them 1st 5 rounds...

the kid is obviously limited but those body shots are the equalizer for less talented/skilled fighters


Just imagine if someone with skill of like Mayweather concentrated half of his work rate to the body.

People wouldnt even take 40 million dollar paydays


Cotto used to break dudes in half with this body work, til he decided to turn " headhunter boxer" vs shane and Tonio.

Even wth the Cheato's concrete palms, Cotto woulda beat margarito if he did his usual body work instead of tappin that jawwith all thiose punches
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cotto's was a thing of beauty .
and although eveyone hates him , ricky hatton did damage back in the days at 135 to the body.
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

you right

he shoulda lost. he got done in them 1st 5 rounds...

the kid is obviously limited but those body shots are the equalizer for less talented/skilled fighters


Just imagine if someone with skill of like Mayweather concentrated half of his work rate to the body.

People wouldnt even take 40 million dollar paydays


Cotto used to break dudes in half with this body work, til he decided to turn " headhunter boxer" vs shane and Tonio.

Even wth the Cheato's concrete palms, Cotto woulda beat margarito if he did his usual body work instead of tappin that jawwith all thiose punches
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cotto's was a thing of beauty .
and although eveyone hates him , ricky hatton did damage back in the days at 135 to the body.
 
Originally Posted by Milkman Dead

HBO didn't force him not to fight Zbik...they just said they wouldn't telecast it...
He could have took that fight to another channel, someone would have telecasted it, he just wouldn't have got that purse ...

But he took the million dollar purse over the belt...and that was the right thing to do, cause, the purse >>>>>> any of the belts...

I guess my main point is I wish these fighters would take the Floyd approach when it comes to these belts. They don't mean @%%+. With or with it, he's the best middleweight in the world. Man, he should just focus on keeping busy, and looking great while doing it. And if he wants a belt so bad be should just stop fronting on Pirog and wash his $*% up real quick...
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I definitely feel you on the last part.  But if my memory serves me right, Serg has the contract w/HBO he wasn't going to another network.  So when HBO said no to Zbik, he took the toughter fighter and destroyed him.  My beef is with HBO.  They decline Zbik for Serg then approve him for JCC Jr?  That part doesn't sit right and shouldn't sit right w/Martinez and DiBella.  Serg wants his belt but he also knows Jr is the cash cow at 160 as crazy as that is to believe
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Pirog doesn't bring that kind of dough to the table yet TBH.

206, IDK what you're
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Originally Posted by Milkman Dead

HBO didn't force him not to fight Zbik...they just said they wouldn't telecast it...
He could have took that fight to another channel, someone would have telecasted it, he just wouldn't have got that purse ...

But he took the million dollar purse over the belt...and that was the right thing to do, cause, the purse >>>>>> any of the belts...

I guess my main point is I wish these fighters would take the Floyd approach when it comes to these belts. They don't mean @%%+. With or with it, he's the best middleweight in the world. Man, he should just focus on keeping busy, and looking great while doing it. And if he wants a belt so bad be should just stop fronting on Pirog and wash his $*% up real quick...
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I definitely feel you on the last part.  But if my memory serves me right, Serg has the contract w/HBO he wasn't going to another network.  So when HBO said no to Zbik, he took the toughter fighter and destroyed him.  My beef is with HBO.  They decline Zbik for Serg then approve him for JCC Jr?  That part doesn't sit right and shouldn't sit right w/Martinez and DiBella.  Serg wants his belt but he also knows Jr is the cash cow at 160 as crazy as that is to believe
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Pirog doesn't bring that kind of dough to the table yet TBH.

206, IDK what you're
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I thought JCC Jr won he was doing better after the 5th round but he would definitely lose to Sergio who deserves to fight JCC Jr for the WBC title.
 
I thought JCC Jr won he was doing better after the 5th round but he would definitely lose to Sergio who deserves to fight JCC Jr for the WBC title.
 
"Cotto used to break dudes in half with this body work, til he decided to turn " headhunter boxer" vs shane and Tonio."

QFT.

He got comfortable after he OUTBOXED Shane. The last time he truly used that body work was against Zab Judah...

And I don't give a F what anybody says...Lou DiBella is that dude. If I had to sign with anybody...it'd be him. The man actually gives a crap about Boxing...

JCC Jr is in for a rude awakening if that fight against Cotto comes along. People still believe MAC is on the downslide...if that fight comes off in Oct, that's even more time spent with Steward.

What does Arum care, though...he'll get exactly what he always wants. Two Top Rank fighters against each other...
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"Cotto used to break dudes in half with this body work, til he decided to turn " headhunter boxer" vs shane and Tonio."

QFT.

He got comfortable after he OUTBOXED Shane. The last time he truly used that body work was against Zab Judah...

And I don't give a F what anybody says...Lou DiBella is that dude. If I had to sign with anybody...it'd be him. The man actually gives a crap about Boxing...

JCC Jr is in for a rude awakening if that fight against Cotto comes along. People still believe MAC is on the downslide...if that fight comes off in Oct, that's even more time spent with Steward.

What does Arum care, though...he'll get exactly what he always wants. Two Top Rank fighters against each other...
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, word. Hey, listen, I'll take it...

Floyd whoops him, though. But at least it gives us a hint that with him facing a southpaw, he's at least thinking about the Manny fight, after.
 
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, word. Hey, listen, I'll take it...

Floyd whoops him, though. But at least it gives us a hint that with him facing a southpaw, he's at least thinking about the Manny fight, after.
 
mannn i knew he was going to take a easy tune up but still come on floyd
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i will let this go IF he says he will fight pac after this know matter what
 
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