Is Kanye West too UPPITY to be the world's greatest living rockstar?

[flesh prince]

In General because it deals with more than Music.

TL;DR - Is Kanye rejected by old white rockers because they feel their ownership of "rock and roll" slipping away?


http://www.theguardian.com/music/mu...west-why-cant-rocknrolls-old-guard-handle-him

Everyone – aside from the millions of people who buy his records, attend his live shows and devour his interviews – hates Kanye West right now. Whether it’s members of the public starting moronic petitions, or former boyband members declaring him “****e”, nobody can stand the man (apart from the millions of people who have made him the biggest pop star on the planet, as I pointed out earlier).

Yet there’s one group of people who seem to have reserved a special amount of ire for West, and that’s the greying old guard of rock’n’roll. Ageing white men in bands whose time has been and gone. Now those guys really hate Kanye.

“He can’t write, sing, or play. At all,” tweeted David Crosby last week, adding: “He is an egomaniac, he is dumb as a post, he creates nothing, helps no one.”

It wasn’t the first time Crosby had attacked West. Back in March, he claimed the Yeezus mastermind was “an idiot and a poser … has no talent at all.” This time he backed up his attack by saying West’s music seemed “like percussive poetry to me ... but not very good poetry. Mostly very bad poetry”, which sounds like something my mum might possibly say about him, and she hasn’t engaged meaningfully with pop music since Adam Faith made her go weak at the knees in 1959.

Crosby’s not alone. “Kanye West. Utter ****”, tweeted former Oasis singer Liam Gallagher after the rapper – backed by an entourage of UK grime stars – pulled off the most astonishing performance at this year’s Brit awards. At least it was an improvement on his brother Noel’s viewpoint: “Kanye West? I’d have knocked him out,” ran a recent NME coverline. Devoid of the guitarist’s usual comic wit, it seemed like a weirdly Neanderthal-like threat.

Elsewhere, Michael McDonald of Doobie Brothers fame opined that the multiple Grammy-award-winning artist who’s only ever released critically acclaimed albums is unable to “put a couple of notes together either vocally or two bars of valid music playing an instrument … I don’t know if I call it songwriting from a musician’s standpoint. Beck is obviously a consummate musician. He plays instruments, many instruments.”

So what is going on? You could argue that all this was simply a case of older generations not understanding the younger upstart. But then Glastonbury happened, Kanye declared himself “the world’s greatest living rock star”, and rock’s old timers revealed what it is that really irks them.

“Who’s the biggest rock star in the world? That must be Elvis Presley,” said the Who’s Pete Townshend from the stage the following night, failing to grasp Kanye’s use of the word “living”.

Slipknot’s Corey Taylor was even moved to record a video message, complete with a slapped wrist, to tell Kanye that he had to “stop it”.



Could the reason creaking rock’n’rollers are getting all upset is that they see the “ownership” of rock’n’roll under threat? Ever since white guys got to rewrite rock history on their own terms (as Mos Def eloquently pointed out on his 1999 track Rock’N’Roll), they’ve been relatively content to pass down from white guy to white guy, but don’t seem to be able to handle it when it’s suddenly claimed back by a black man.

Just look at the criticisms, which seem to attack Kanye West for the very things rock’n’roll supposedly celebrates: bad behaviour and egocentricity. Liam Gallagher can walk out of US tours, Slipknot can declare “people = ****”, and countless metallers can spend a lifetime consuming drugs and groupies on the Sunset Strip. But when it comes to Kanye, suddenly everyone’s talking about “manners” and “showing respect” – classic tropes displayed by white people when faced with the “uppity” black person.

The irony is that Kanye’s behaviour isn’t even bad – he’s a married man with a child who works obsessively and never seems to be out of control on drink or drugs. He’s better behaved than Justin Bieber! Sure, he likes to proclaim his own greatness a lot, but isn’t that what rock’n’rollers have been doing since the dawn of time? Wasn’t that part of the thrill of Oasis? Isn’t it the kind of thing even pondlife like Catfish and the Bottlemen get away with, week in, week out, on the pages of NME? So why is it OK for them but not for Kanye?

Notable exceptions who are happy to let Kanye join the party are scarce. Paul McCartney, who recently collaborated with him, shows the same kind of open mind that made the Beatles a unique musical proposition. Lou Reed – who always boasted a more advanced empathy with, and understanding of, identity than his peers – wrote a brilliant review of Yeezus. That he (mostly) admired it is almost beside the point – the fact Reed engaged with West’s music, regarded him as a musical equal, is what elevates his opinion above all the others.

“The guy has a real wide palette to play,” he wrote, adding: “Very often, he’ll have this very monotonous section going and then, suddenly – “BAP! BAP! BAP! BAP!” – he disrupts the whole thing and we’re on to something new that’s absolutely incredible. That’s architecture, that’s structure – this guy is seriously smart. He keeps unbalancing you.” It’s a far cry from the typical “he just uses computers” and “can’t sing” jibes.

Elsewhere, though, there’s little love for Kanye, and even less reflection. Maybe self-examination of your kneejerk opinions is not very rock’n’roll. But it’s not doing the old guard any favours, and they’re not winning the war.

When Corey Taylor was asked if he enjoyed the frenzied reaction to his Kanye rant, he let his mask slip: “No! God no! Here’s the thing: I’ve written three books, I’ve sold millions of albums, I’m in two different bands, I’m in movies and ****. And this is what it took? This is what it took?”

When it comes to rock’n’roll, it’s clearly Kanye’s world. All the other rockers are just whining in it.

 

[SC kid]

Who would be above him now?

 

[cash money 1999]

The Michael Mcdonald quote is out of context,they specifically asked how he felt about kanye beck incident .

 

[flesh prince]

if you don't think he's the greatest rockstar alive you racist. ......smh can't you just hate a ninja cuz he make wack music

A lot of their reasons behavior wise for hating him are the same things they idolize as "classic rockstar behavior".

I think that's the point the author was trying to make.

 

[ryda421]

 

[cash money 1999]

if you don't think he's the greatest rockstar alive you racist.

Or you don't know anything about rock

 

[babyface34]

I love his first 3 albums, but I see nothing "great" about him.

 

[ryda421]

if you think he is the greatest rockstar then you havent listened to enough music

 

[SC kid]

Maybe the most popular right now but theres alot more talented.

Prince off the top

 

[flesh prince]

Or you don't know anything about rock

I think Ye means rockstar in the context of it being a cultural thing. Like culturally, he's the biggest and most far reaching music act right now.

Like at one point Michael Jackson was the biggest rock star but he never made rock really. Is Pac in the Rock N Roll HOF? IDK but same w/ him he was a rockstar at one point.

Just like pop star doesn't necessarily mean that person makes pop.

They are just terms that define how big an act's current cultural impact is.

 

[nazdrowie]

rocking roll is nothing but devil worshipping music today, like Corey Taylor and Slipknot as pictured below...

the last great rockband was Creed, and shoutout to Nickelback...

 

[SC kid]

rocking roll is nothing but devil worshipping music today, like Corey Taylor and Slipknot as pictured below...

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the last great rockband was Creed, and shoutout to Nickelback...

everything about this post is an L

 

[ryda421]

at da end of da day

it's all opinion. a lot of people who listen to kanye most likely only listened to rap beforehand. now that kanye is incorporating different sounds people want to be overall experts in music


edit

this guy said creed and nickleback though

 

[airedweezy]

They worried about the title of greatest rock start in the world???

Like do they not know Kanye is the greatest musician of all time

Most impactful son breaths on something and it's the new gospel


Swish gonna be an instant classic


Woooo

 

[cash money 1999]

the last great rockband was Creed, and shoutout to Nickelback...

nickelback
semi guilty pleasure but :x

 

[Comparison Ford]

Creed 

 

[$tatus $ymbol]

Funny bc I think their music is utter ****

Maybe they should create a genre of their own & then they'd have claim to reject who they want.

 

[youngwolf]

No, he's just too trash.

He's not even the best rapper on his label, let alone anywhere close to being the greatest rockstar in the world.

 

[Tigron]

No, he's just too trash.

He's not even the best rapper on his label, let alone anywhere close to being the greatest rockstar in the world.

name names pls

 

[datroof]

hes about as talented a rocks star as them franchize boys

 

[flyny]

Since when did kanye make Rock music??
He ain't no damn rockstar. He just a regular rapper who cats idolize cus they liked his style. I'm sure he a cool dude and all, but yall cats be wilding

 

[JPS]

I thought da gawd Future Hendrix is currently the greatest living rock star?

turns up march madness

 

[ryda421]

Creed 

 

[youngwolf]

No, he's just too trash.

He's not even the best rapper on his label, let alone anywhere close to being the greatest rockstar in the world.

name names pls

Big Sean is the best rapper on that label.

Since when did kanye make Rock music??
He ain't no damn rockstar.

You don't have to make rock music in order to be a rockstar.

 

[gentrification]

 
Creed