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Another thing about Phil (since this conversation about coaches is lacking reading comprehension)....
His draw for FA's isn't big as an executive. It is as a coach.
Jerry West's draw as an executive is minimal. Reason we got Shaq was we were a big market offering much more money.
Confirmed, Phil has been talking to LA & did demand "final say" in all basketball decisions - per @ramonashelburne
possible? yescan the lakers still make the playoffs?
srs. mathematically speaking.
Confirmed, Phil has been talking to LA & did demand "final say" in all basketball decisions - per @ramonashelburne
Bye Phil
Confirmed, Phil has been talking to LA & did demand "final say" in all basketball decisions - per @ramonashelburne
Bye Phil
possible? yescan the lakers still make the playoffs?
srs. mathematically speaking.
probable? no
@ShawnFNBA is just a really smart fan. He doesn't have any inside sources or anything that I know of.
Another thing about Phil (since this conversation about coaches is lacking reading comprehension)....
His draw for FA's isn't big as an executive. It is as a coach.
Jerry West's draw as an executive is minimal. Reason we got Shaq was we were a big market offering much more money.
Exactly.
And I'll add one more thing: either before the 2000 championship or the 2001 ship (or both), he was fed up with Kobe's selfish style that he wanted to trade him for Scottie Pippen, because he was a better fit for Shaq and the triangle.
Imagine if he had the power to do it
I thought I remembered that as Phil wanted to bring Scottie in when he first came on (pre 2000), but to play WITH Shaq and Kobe. (our search for a SF better than Glen Rice)
My God if he would have actually traded Kobe for a 35+ year old with high mileage. :x
I thought I remembered that as Phil wanted to bring Scottie in when he first came on (pre 2000), but to play WITH Shaq and Kobe. (our search for a SF better than Glen Rice)
My God if he would have actually traded Kobe for a 35+ year old with high mileage. :x
I'm pretty sure it was trade Kobe. It's from one of Phil's books, I can't remember which. He might've also wanted to trade Kobe for Shawn Marion.
I think it was 2001, because Phil talks about how Kobe was such a disruptive personality for most of the season. His instinct was to get Kobe traded because the team was built around Shaq, Shaq was the one who was gonna win them a championship, etc. Kobe was great, but he was standing in the way. It was short sighted.
Phil would also probably be out here giving Luke Walton types a contract
The coach had a January "tirade" about Bryant in front of general manager Mitch Kupchak in which Jackson demanded the team trade Bryant and said, "I won't coach this team next year if he is still here. He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."
Jackson also revealed that he wanted to trade Bryant to the Phoenix Suns for Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion during the 1999-2000 season, Jackson's first with the Lakers, but that Jerry West, then the team's general manager, told him owner Jerry Buss would never trade Bryant. Jackson wrote that Kupchak told him the same thing last season.
Wait.Nate MCMillan
George Karl
Jerry Sloan
Monty Williams
Jeff Van Gundy
Stan Van Gundy
Byron Scott
Brian Shaw
Larry Brown
Rick Carlisle
Tom Thibbs
Coach K
Mark Jackson
Frank Vogel
Jason Kidd
Doug Collins
There are your coaching options. And off the top, you KNOW most of those aren't moving. Carlisle, Thibbs, K, JVG, Vogel, etc.
Not one of those guys leftover upgrades over Mike D'Antoni.
Not, one.
So everyone, what's plan B? Blank check and unlimited power for Phil? Call Magic again? Make Kobe earn all 48 million by also being the coach?
I wonder if there was a Shaq "ship his *** out" video but no social media to share it
Wait.Nate MCMillan
George Karl
Jerry Sloan
Monty Williams
Jeff Van Gundy
Stan Van Gundy
Byron Scott
Brian Shaw
Larry Brown
Rick Carlisle
Tom Thibbs
Coach K
Mark Jackson
Frank Vogel
Jason Kidd
Doug Collins
There are your coaching options. And off the top, you KNOW most of those aren't moving. Carlisle, Thibbs, K, JVG, Vogel, etc.
Not one of those guys leftover upgrades over Mike D'Antoni.
Not, one.
So everyone, what's plan B? Blank check and unlimited power for Phil? Call Magic again? Make Kobe earn all 48 million by also being the coach?
I took this as saying "You know Carlisle, Thibbs, K, JVG, Vogel are not moving. And the rest that are leftover, they're not upgrades over Pringles."
That what you meant?
Really starting to amuse me, this growing notion that there were no 'bad pub' stories pre-Twitter.I wonder if there was a Shaq "ship his *** out" video but no social media to share it
Really starting to amuse me, this growing notion that there were no 'bad pub' stories pre-Twitter.
I would disagree w/ Sloan and Brown... but not enough to argue it; like, I don't feel it would be a MAJOR upgrade. I think they are better COMPLETE coaches when it comes to basketball (Sloan being the most complete of the 3, in my opinion, Brown being better defensively, and MDA being far and away better than both offensively), but I feel they have other glaring holes in their overall coaching experience.Yes. Those are names that people would call for (of course) but not ones we would get. Like asking for Phil again, who really I should have listed.Wait.Nate MCMillan
George Karl
Jerry Sloan
Monty Williams
Jeff Van Gundy
Stan Van Gundy
Byron Scott
Brian Shaw
Larry Brown
Rick Carlisle
Tom Thibbs
Coach K
Mark Jackson
Frank Vogel
Jason Kidd
Doug Collins
There are your coaching options. And off the top, you KNOW most of those aren't moving. Carlisle, Thibbs, K, JVG, Vogel, etc.
Not one of those guys leftover upgrades over Mike D'Antoni.
Not, one.
So everyone, what's plan B? Blank check and unlimited power for Phil? Call Magic again? Make Kobe earn all 48 million by also being the coach?
I took this as saying "You know Carlisle, Thibbs, K, JVG, Vogel are not moving. And the rest that are leftover, they're not upgrades over Pringles."
That what you meant?
So that leaves the rest of those names, which are not better than MDA. Would be just another move, without actually going in any direction forward.
Does it really matter? It ain't like in the 90s, we all thought The Worm was a patron saint, and then later learned he was a cameraman-kicking, self-marrying alkie.That's not what I meant... we all remember those bad stories that would come out about Kobe, then Shaq, then Kobe, then Shaq, then Glen Rice's wife, then Kobe, then ShaqReally starting to amuse me, this growing notion that there were no 'bad pub' stories pre-Twitter.But those were all articles.
It was different is all. Who knows what kind of first-hand evidence we would've seen with our own eyes. The Kobe parking lot video was 07; who knows what type of **** would've leaked if YouTube was big in 01, or 04