Let's talk about Kobe's legacy......try your hardest to be objective...

[HEATHEN]

Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick

He'll be like Stevie Ray form Harlem Heat. One of the greatest Tag Teams of all time but Shaq is Booker T. He goes down in history as apart of one of the greatest duos to bless the court and not one of the greatest players to touch the court. If you follow wrestling you get what I mean.

HORRIBLE Analogy....


Absolutely dreadful. No similarities whatsoever.

 

[f3djam]

KB will be known as a guy who was the top dude in pretty much every aspect of the game
Dude is abusing almost everyone that gets put in front of him, he can hurt almost any dude for 40 consistently

 

[moneymike9]

Originally Posted by quik1987

Kobe came off the bench for 2 years and also barely played his rookie season. Not saying he's the same scorer just pointing it out.
Its still not even close tho

If Kobe was that good than he never would've been a bench player

couple other points

- If Anything
Jordan = Shaq & Pippen = Kobe

- Jordan MADE Pippen a 50 Greatest, without Jordan Pippen = Nobody
Just like without Lebron, Mo is not an all-star

- people saying Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, Rodman was only there for 3 chips
False.

Did you watch the 93-94 season? Pippen played at an MVP level that year and carried the Bulls to a 55-27 record.

SMH @ y'all dudes for always downplaying Scottie's greatness.

 

[ericberry14]

Originally Posted by mogzz04

Originally Posted by quik1987

Kobe came off the bench for 2 years and also barely played his rookie season. Not saying he's the same scorer just pointing it out.
Its still not even close tho

If Kobe was that good than he never would've been a bench player

couple other points

- If Anything
Jordan = Shaq & Pippen = Kobe

- Jordan MADE Pippen a 50 Greatest, without Jordan Pippen = Nobody
Just like without Lebron, Mo is not an all-star

- people saying Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, Rodman was only there for 3 chips

False.

Did you watch the 93-94 season? Pippen played at an MVP level that year and carried the Bulls to a 55-27 record.

SMH @ y'all dudes for always downplaying Scottie's greatness.

thank you...

if you listened to NT you would think Scottie Pippen was some scrub that MJ found off the street and turned into a HOFer

 

[ph3n0m3n0n]

He'll be great...but the argument would always stand that he couldn't do it without Shaq should he not win another ring.

And when they look back at his career, he won't be the clear cut best during any season. (that's practically true now)

 

[downtown43]

Originally Posted by PH3N0M3N0N

He'll be great...but the argument would always stand that he couldn't do it without Shaq should he not win another ring.

And when they look back at his career, he won't be the clear cut best during any season. (that's practically true now)

congratulations! you get the dumbest post of the week award!

you had always seemed like a relatively knowledgeable poster too.... is it hatred that is smothering your intelligence?

 

[DsLee]

SMH at people thinking Pippen would've been "nobody" without Jordan...Yes he did carry the Bulls to the playoffs after Mike left the first time.
It's like dudes forget/didn't know that Pippen was a top 10 draft pick...

Anyways, some guys make it seem like if Kobe doesn't end up being better than Mike, then he fails.
That shouldn't be the case because Kobe is a heck of a player and a proven winner.

He may not be a media darling, but it surprises me how much hate this guy still gets.

 

[dman14]

probably everything has been mentioned

great player, won with shaq, etc

if he fails to win a chip, people will say in his best yrs, he couldnt get it done as the leader

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by mogzz04

quik1987 wrote:

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Kobe came off the bench for 2 years and also barely played his rookie season. Not saying he's the same scorer just pointing it out.


Its still not even close tho

If Kobe was that good than he never would've been a bench player




couple other points




- If Anything


Jordan = Shaq & Pippen = Kobe




- Jordan MADE Pippen a 50 Greatest, without Jordan Pippen = Nobody


Just like without Lebron, Mo is not an all-star




- people saying Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, Rodman was only there for 3 chips

False.




Did you watch the 93-94 season? Pippen played at an MVP level that year and carried the Bulls to a 55-27 record.




SMH @ y'all dudes for always downplaying Scottie's greatness.

thank you...

if you listened to NT you would think Scottie Pippen was some scrub that MJ found off the street and turned into a HOFer



Jordan was ESSENTIAL in molding Pippen into the player he became, if you think he would become 50 greatest on his own you are confused, there are MANY greatplayers that DIDN'T make the 50 greatest. I'm not saying he's a scrub, he is a very great player in his own right. But Pip will ALWAYS be MJ'ssidekick.

Much like Kobe unable to escape Shaq's shadow

 

[its that dude]

"CEO of what??? Homie...You work at Champs..."

and notice how one dares say LeBron > Michael...

but you do see Kobe > Michael...

This is how good Kobe is.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

He is the villain of the NBA, a part that he both did and did not earn.

This is his destiny, and he'll fight bitterly to the very end to make himself into something else.

 

[ericberry14]

Originally Posted by quik1987

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by mogzz04

quik1987 wrote:

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Kobe came off the bench for 2 years and also barely played his rookie season. Not saying he's the same scorer just pointing it out.


Its still not even close tho

If Kobe was that good than he never would've been a bench player




couple other points




- If Anything


Jordan = Shaq & Pippen = Kobe




- Jordan MADE Pippen a 50 Greatest, without Jordan Pippen = Nobody


Just like without Lebron, Mo is not an all-star




- people saying Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, Rodman was only there for 3 chips

False.




Did you watch the 93-94 season? Pippen played at an MVP level that year and carried the Bulls to a 55-27 record.




SMH @ y'all dudes for always downplaying Scottie's greatness.

thank you...

if you listened to NT you would think Scottie Pippen was some scrub that MJ found off the street and turned into a HOFer



Jordan was ESSENTIAL in molding Pippen into the player he became, if you think he would become 50 greatest on his own you are confused, there are MANY great players that DIDN'T make the 50 greatest. I'm not saying he's a scrub, he is a very great player in his own right. But Pip will ALWAYS be MJ's sidekick.

Much like Kobe unable to escape Shaq's shadow
name some of these many great players who arent among the 50 greatest... excluding all the high level players who came around after that list hadbeen made

 

[pacers31]

i think he is in the top 10. people in the future who didn't get a chance to watch him play would probably disagree based on his career averages and alwayshearing he only won his rings because of shaq. if he wins a ring this season he will def. be top 5 in my book. he is arguably one of the greatest scorers ever.

 

[chi ill]

From my angle of top SG's ...

1) Michael Jordan
2) Kobe Bryant

People keep saying that he can't escape Shaq's shadow , that he fell off ... I don't see it . My dude scored 41 points tonight . Rellllaaaaaxxxxxx.

& you guys are acting like your opinions about Kobe matter anyway . His stats are already in the book ... he already has his 3 chocolately delicious rings, he has already done what you guys are hating on . He's going to be a Hall of Famer whether yall like it or not .

& for the people that are saying Kobe > Michael ... Kobe wouldn't even agree with that .

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by quik1987

ericberry14 wrote:

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mogzz04 wrote:

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quik1987 wrote:

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Kobe came off the bench for 2 years and also barely played his rookie season. Not saying he's the same scorer just pointing it out.






Its still not even close tho

If Kobe was that good than he never would've been a bench player










couple other points










- If Anything






Jordan = Shaq & Pippen = Kobe










- Jordan MADE Pippen a 50 Greatest, without Jordan Pippen = Nobody






Just like without Lebron, Mo is not an all-star










- people saying Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, Rodman was only there for 3 chips

False.










Did you watch the 93-94 season? Pippen played at an MVP level that year and carried the Bulls to a 55-27 record.










SMH @ y'all dudes for always downplaying Scottie's greatness.

thank you...




if you listened to NT you would think Scottie Pippen was some scrub that MJ found off the street and turned into a HOFer








Jordan was ESSENTIAL in molding Pippen into the player he became, if you think he would become 50 greatest on his own you are confused, there are MANY great
players that DIDN'T make the 50 greatest. I'm not saying he's a scrub, he is a very great player in his own right. But Pip will ALWAYS be MJ's
sidekick.




Much like Kobe unable to escape Shaq's shadow
name some of these many great players who arent among the 50 greatest... excluding all the high level players who came around after that list had been made




Dominique Wilkins
Alex English
Gary Payton
Bob McAdoo
Adrian Dantley
Tom Heinsohn

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by Chi ILL

From my angle of top SG's ...

1) Michael Jordan
2) Kobe Bryant

People keep saying that he can't escape Shaq's shadow , that he fell off ... I don't see it . My dude scored 41 points tonight . Rellllaaaaaxxxxxx .

& you guys are acting like your opinions about Kobe matter anyway . His stats are already in the book ... he already has his 3 chocolately delicious rings , he has already done what you guys are hating on . He's going to be a Hall of Famer whether yall like it or not .

& for the people that are saying Kobe > Michael ... Kobe wouldn't even agree with that .

So if Kobe never gets a ring without Shaq, you don't think it won't haunt his dreams forever?

 

[ericberry14]

Originally Posted by quik1987

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by quik1987

ericberry14 wrote:

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mogzz04 wrote:

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quik1987 wrote:

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Kobe came off the bench for 2 years and also barely played his rookie season. Not saying he's the same scorer just pointing it out.






Its still not even close tho

If Kobe was that good than he never would've been a bench player










couple other points










- If Anything






Jordan = Shaq & Pippen = Kobe










- Jordan MADE Pippen a 50 Greatest, without Jordan Pippen = Nobody






Just like without Lebron, Mo is not an all-star










- people saying Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, Rodman was only there for 3 chips

False.










Did you watch the 93-94 season? Pippen played at an MVP level that year and carried the Bulls to a 55-27 record.










SMH @ y'all dudes for always downplaying Scottie's greatness.

thank you...




if you listened to NT you would think Scottie Pippen was some scrub that MJ found off the street and turned into a HOFer








Jordan was ESSENTIAL in molding Pippen into the player he became, if you think he would become 50 greatest on his own you are confused, there are MANY great
players that DIDN'T make the 50 greatest. I'm not saying he's a scrub, he is a very great player in his own right. But Pip will ALWAYS be MJ's
sidekick.




Much like Kobe unable to escape Shaq's shadow
name some of these many great players who arent among the 50 greatest... excluding all the high level players who came around after that list had been made




Dominique Wilkins
Alex English
Gary Payton
Bob McAdoo
Adrian Dantley
Tom Heinsohn
you named 6...

but that is quite ok... ill be making a Scottie Pippen appreciation thread shortly...

NT disgustly underrates what Pippen meant to those championship teams...

 

[531]

Kobe's legacy is already cemented, it's sad though that not many people appreciate what he has been doing. His life off the court has sadly alteredpeople's perceptions of what he has done on the court.

He's still the best player in the NBA.

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by quik1987

ericberry14 wrote:

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quik1987 wrote:

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ericberry14 wrote:

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mogzz04 wrote:

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quik1987 wrote:

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Kobe came off the bench for 2 years and also barely played his rookie season. Not saying he's the same scorer just pointing it out.














Its still not even close tho

If Kobe was that good than he never would've been a bench player






















couple other points






















- If Anything














Jordan = Shaq & Pippen = Kobe






















- Jordan MADE Pippen a 50 Greatest, without Jordan Pippen = Nobody














Just like without Lebron, Mo is not an all-star






















- people saying Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, Rodman was only there for 3 chips

False.






















Did you watch the 93-94 season? Pippen played at an MVP level that year and carried the Bulls to a 55-27 record.






















SMH @ y'all dudes for always downplaying Scottie's greatness.

thank you...










if you listened to NT you would think Scottie Pippen was some scrub that MJ found off the street and turned into a HOFer


















Jordan was ESSENTIAL in molding Pippen into the player he became, if you think he would become 50 greatest on his own you are confused, there are MANY
great


players that DIDN'T make the 50 greatest. I'm not saying he's a scrub, he is a very great player in his own right. But Pip will ALWAYS be
MJ's


sidekick.










Much like Kobe unable to escape Shaq's shadow

name some of these many great players who arent among the 50 greatest... excluding all the high level players who came around after that list
had been made










Dominique Wilkins


Alex English


Gary Payton


Bob McAdoo


Adrian Dantley


Tom Heinsohn
you named 6...

but that is quite ok... ill be making a Scottie Pippen appreciation thread shortly...

NT disgustly underrates what Pippen meant to those championship teams...



The thing is I'm not under rating him though. He was a amazing defensive player, made All-NBA 3x, he's was great. But what other than that has he everachieved without Jordan?

 

[gregodensbedpan]

people seem to forget that pip, not mj, was the finals mvp favouriteduring the 1998 nba finals.. until his back gave out on him.

 

[Betonblck]

Pip was all that. Let me repeat Pippen was one of the top small forwards to play the game in the past 20 years. It's obvious that many of you guysdidn't even watch the basketball during this era.

During this era, it was arguable who was better, Pippen or Grant Hill.

Scottie Pippen
[table][tr][td]
Career Season Averages
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[/td] [/tr][/table][table][tr][td]Year[/td] [td]Team[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]GS[/td] [td]MPG[/td] [td]FG%[/td] [td]3P%[/td] [td]FT%[/td] [td]OFF[/td] [td]DEF[/td] [td]RPG[/td] [td]APG[/td] [td]SPG[/td] [td]BPG[/td] [td]TO[/td] [td]PF[/td] [td]PPG[/td] [/tr][tr][td]87-88[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]79[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]20.9[/td] [td].463[/td] [td].174[/td] [td].576[/td] [td]1.5[/td] [td]2.3[/td] [td]3.8[/td] [td]2.1[/td] [td]1.2[/td] [td]0.7[/td] [td]1.66[/td] [td]2.70[/td] [td]7.9[/td] [/tr][tr][td]88-89[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]73[/td] [td]56[/td] [td]33.1[/td] [td].476[/td] [td].273[/td] [td].668[/td] [td]1.9[/td] [td]4.2[/td] [td]6.1[/td] [td]3.5[/td] [td]1.9[/td] [td]0.8[/td] [td]2.73[/td] [td]3.60[/td] [td]14.4[/td] [/tr][tr][td]89-90[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]38.4[/td] [td].489[/td] [td].250[/td] [td].675[/td] [td]1.8[/td] [td]4.8[/td] [td]6.7[/td] [td]5.4[/td] [td]2.6[/td] [td]1.2[/td] [td]3.39[/td] [td]3.60[/td] [td]16.5[/td] [/tr][tr][td]90-91[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]36.8[/td] [td].520[/td] [td].309[/td] [td].706[/td] [td]2.0[/td] [td]5.3[/td] [td]7.3[/td] [td]6.2[/td] [td]2.4[/td] [td]1.1[/td] [td]2.83[/td] [td]3.30[/td] [td]17.8[/td] [/tr][tr][td]91-92[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]38.6[/td] [td].506[/td] [td].200[/td] [td].760[/td] [td]2.3[/td] [td]5.4[/td] [td]7.7[/td] [td]7.0[/td] [td]1.9[/td] [td]1.1[/td] [td]3.09[/td] [td]3.00[/td] [td]21.0[/td] [/tr][tr][td]92-93[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]38.6[/td] [td].473[/td] [td].237[/td] [td].663[/td] [td]2.5[/td] [td]5.2[/td] [td]7.7[/td] [td]6.3[/td] [td]2.1[/td] [td]0.9[/td] [td]3.04[/td] [td]2.70[/td] [td]18.6[/td] [/tr][tr][td]93-94[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]72[/td] [td]72[/td] [td]38.3[/td] [td].491[/td] [td].320[/td] [td].660[/td] [td]2.4[/td] [td]6.3[/td] [td]8.7[/td] [td]5.6[/td] [td]2.9[/td] [td]0.8[/td] [td]3.22[/td] [td]3.20[/td] [td]22.0[/td] [/tr][tr][td]94-95[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]79[/td] [td]79[/td] [td]38.2[/td] [td].480[/td] [td].345[/td] [td].716[/td] [td]2.2[/td] [td]5.9[/td] [td]8.1[/td] [td]5.2[/td] [td]2.9[/td] [td]1.1[/td] [td]3.43[/td] [td]3.00[/td] [td]21.4[/td] [/tr][tr][td]95-96[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]77[/td] [td]77[/td] [td]36.7[/td] [td].463[/td] [td].374[/td] [td].679[/td] [td]2.0[/td] [td]4.5[/td] [td]6.4[/td] [td]5.9[/td] [td]1.7[/td] [td]0.7[/td] [td]2.69[/td] [td]2.60[/td] [td]19.4[/td] [/tr][tr][td]96-97[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]82[/td] [td]37.7[/td] [td].474[/td] [td].368[/td] [td].701[/td] [td]2.0[/td] [td]4.5[/td] [td]6.5[/td] [td]5.7[/td] [td]1.9[/td] [td]0.6[/td] [td]2.61[/td] [td]2.60[/td] [td]20.2[/td] [/tr][tr][td]97-98[/td] [td]CHI[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]37.5[/td] [td].447[/td] [td].318[/td] [td].777[/td] [td]1.2[/td] [td]4.0[/td] [td]5.2[/td] [td]5.8[/td] [td]1.8[/td] [td]1.0[/td] [td]2.48[/td] [td]2.60[/td] [td]19.1[/td] [/tr][/table]


Grant Hill

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Career Season Averages
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[/td] [/tr][/table][table][tr][td]Year[/td] [td]Team[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]GS[/td] [td]MPG[/td] [td]FG%[/td] [td]3P%[/td] [td]FT%[/td] [td]OFF[/td] [td]DEF[/td] [td]RPG[/td] [td]APG[/td] [td]SPG[/td] [td]BPG[/td] [td]TO[/td] [td]PF[/td] [td]PPG[/td] [/tr][tr][td]94-95[/td] [td]DET[/td] [td]70[/td] [td]69[/td] [td]38.3[/td] [td]0.477[/td] [td]0.148[/td] [td]0.732[/td] [td]1.8[/td] [td]4.6[/td] [td]6.4[/td] [td]5.0[/td] [td]1.8[/td] [td]0.9[/td] [td]2.89[/td] [td]2.90[/td] [td]19.9[/td] [/tr][tr][td]95-96[/td] [td]DET[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]40.8[/td] [td]0.462[/td] [td]0.192[/td] [td]0.751[/td] [td]1.6[/td] [td]8.2[/td] [td]9.8[/td] [td]6.9[/td] [td]1.2[/td] [td]0.6[/td] [td]3.29[/td] [td]3.00[/td] [td]20.2[/td] [/tr][tr][td]96-97[/td] [td]DET[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]39.3[/td] [td]0.496[/td] [td]0.303[/td] [td]0.711[/td] [td]1.5[/td] [td]7.5[/td] [td]9.0[/td] [td]7.3[/td] [td]1.8[/td] [td]0.6[/td] [td]3.24[/td] [td]2.30[/td] [td]21.4[/td] [/tr][tr][td]97-98[/td] [td]DET[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]81[/td] [td]40.7[/td] [td]0.452[/td] [td]0.143[/td] [td]0.740[/td] [td]1.1[/td] [td]6.5[/td] [td]7.7[/td] [td]6.8[/td] [td]1.8[/td] [td]0.6[/td] [td]3.52[/td] [td]2.40[/td] [td]21.1[/td] [/tr][tr][td]98-99[/td] [td]DET[/td] [td]50[/td] [td]50[/td] [td]37.0[/td] [td]0.479[/td] [td]0.000[/td] [td]0.752[/td] [td]1.3[/td] [td]5.8[/td] [td]7.1[/td] [td]6.0[/td] [td]1.6[/td] [td]0.5[/td] [td]3.68[/td] [td]2.30[/td] [td]21.1[/td] [/tr][/table]

 

[chris boshs neck]

Kobe is carrying his team this playoffs, hitting big shot after big shot. At the end of the day he is a top 10 player ever period. I hope he wins the ship thisyear just to silence the haters.

 

[ben roethlisberger]

Originally Posted by Mamba MVP

We all know Shaq was dominant and in his prime during the 3-peat era and no one could stop him. But even then at ages 21, 22, and 23, KB8 was just starting to become that dominant force he is today. Kobe was as essential to LA's title runs as Shaq was they needed each other. Even as the "sidekick" Kobe was able to hold his own on the same floor as the beast known as Shaquille O'Neal. Everyone assumes that since he got the Finals MVPs that it was all Shaq all the time, but if you watched the regular season during that time and the West playoffs leading up to the Finals, you would have seen that they were playing at very similar levels.

Take a look at the numbers (I couldn't get the 1999-2000 ones to show up properly, but you'll get the idea)

2000-2001:
[table][tr][td]
Regular Season
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Player[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]Pts[/td] [td]Min[/td] [td]% FG[/td] [td]% 3pt[/td] [td]% FT[/td] [td]Reb[/td] [td]As[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Shaquille O'Neal[/td] [td]74[/td] [td]28.7[/td] [td]39.5[/td] [td]57.2[/td] [td]0.0[/td] [td]51.3[/td] [td]12.7[/td] [td]3.7[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Kobe Bryant[/td] [td]68[/td] [td]28.5[/td] [td]40.9[/td] [td]46.4[/td] [td]30.5[/td] [td]85.3[/td] [td]5.9[/td] [td]5.0[/td] [/tr][/table]
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Playoffs
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Player[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]Pts[/td] [td]Min[/td] [td]% FG[/td] [td]% 3pt[/td] [td]% FT[/td] [td]Reb[/td] [td]As[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Shaquille O'Neal[/td] [td]16[/td] [td]30.4[/td] [td]42.3[/td] [td]55.5[/td] [td]0.0[/td] [td]52.5[/td] [td]15.4[/td] [td]3.2[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Kobe Bryant[/td] [td]16[/td] [td]29.4[/td] [td]43.4[/td] [td]46.9[/td] [td]32.4[/td] [td]82.1[/td] [td]7.3[/td] [td]6.1[/td] [/tr][/table]
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Finals against Philadelphia
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Player[/td] [td]PJ[/td] [td]Pts[/td] [td]Min[/td] [td]% FG[/td] [td]% 3pt[/td] [td]% FT[/td] [td]Reb[/td] [td]As[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Shaquille O'Neal[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]33.0[/td] [td]45.0[/td] [td]57.3[/td] [td]0.0[/td] [td]51.3[/td] [td]15.8[/td] [td]4.8[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Kobe Bryant[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]24.6[/td] [td]46.8[/td] [td]41.5[/td] [td]33.3[/td] [td]84.2[/td] [td]7.8[/td] [td]5.8[/td] [/tr][/table]
2001-2002:
[table][tr][td]2002 Regular Season Statistics[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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Player
[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]GS[/td] [td]MPG[/td] [td]FG%[/td] [td]3P%[/td] [td]FT%[/td] [td]OFF[/td] [td]TOT[/td] [td]APG[/td] [td]PPG[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
Shaquille O'Neal
[/td] [td]67[/td] [td]66[/td] [td]36.1[/td] [td].579[/td] [td].000[/td] [td].555[/td] [td]3.50[/td] [td]10.70[/td] [td]3.0[/td] [td]27.2[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
Kobe Bryant
[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]38.3[/td] [td].469[/td] [td].250[/td] [td].829[/td] [td]1.40[/td] [td]5.50[/td] [td]5.5[/td] [td]25.2[/td] [/tr][/table]
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[/td] [td]G[/td] [td]GS[/td] [td]MPG[/td] [td]FG%[/td] [td]3P%[/td] [td]FT%[/td] [td]OFF[/td] [td]TOT[/td] [td]APG[/td] [td]PPG[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
Shaquille O'Neal
[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]40.8[/td] [td].529[/td] [td].000[/td] [td].649[/td] [td]3.50[/td] [td]12.60[/td] [td]2.8[/td] [td]28.5[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Kobe Bryant
[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]19[/td] [td]43.8[/td] [td].434[/td] [td].379[/td] [td].759[/td] [td]1.50[/td] [td]5.80[/td] [td]4.6[/td] [td]26.6[/td] [/tr][/table]
[table][tr][td]2002 Finals Vs. New Jersey Nets Statistics[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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Shaquille O'Neal
[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]41.5[/td] [td].595[/td] [td].000[/td] [td].662[/td] [td]3.30[/td] [td]12.30[/td] [td]3.8[/td] [td]36.3[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
Kobe Bryant
[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]4[/td] [td]43.8[/td] [td].514[/td] [td].545[/td] [td].806[/td] [td].80[/td] [td]5.80[/td] [td]5.3[/td] [td]26.8[/td] [/tr][/table]

So as you can see even with Shaq going ballistic in the Finals against Rik Smits, Todd McCollough, and Deke, young Kobe had comparable numbers and was doing the thing as well, Shaq deserved those MVPs but without Kobe who I doubt the Lakers would have even made it to the Finals, let alone win it all, and vice versa. You can't have one without the other. So if there's a poster with Shaq holding those 3 Finals MVP trophies, Kobe needs to be in the background as well

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Was coming in here to post the exact thing. It seems like most people didnt watch the Lakers back then and just jump on the Kobe hate wagon here.Kobe was a crucial peice to those rings. Game winning shots, 4th quarter take overs when Shaq would foul out, guarding the best players on the floor. Kobestill did things that made you go

how in the world did he do that? and make the CRAZIEST shots ona nightly basis.

People are way too into the LeBron hype (which I understand, dude is a monster) but its to the point where now Kobe isnt getting props he deserves from thepast and in the present. You know those turn around fade away jumpers Kobe seems to make 2 or 3 times a game with a hand in his face? You think those are easy?Its hard to make that shot without anyone else in the gym with you and your playing your shadow let alone with a Ron Artest OR A LEBRON JAMES in your face.Dont get me wrong, LeBron is the face of this league now. But that torch that went from Magic to Michael to Kobe, is still in Kobe's hands. Let LeBron earnit first and just enjoy both of them playing basketball at the high level they play at because when they're gone, your going to wish they were still here.

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Kobe being the SECOND best player for 9 years. That is borderlineretarded.

Take your hate glasses off and watch these, and then ask yourself if you have ever seen anything like what you just saw (besides MJ). The only TWO players toever play the game to do the things they do offensively and make it look so effortless and beautiful.






thats just one season (81 point season)

62 points in 3 quarters of play

9 straight 40 point games


LEFT HANDED fadeway 3 pointer...are you kidding me?
oh and by the way, 1 minute left, lakers down 2 in the 4th. 3 straight jumpers OVER lebron FTW

thats for the people who stay bringing dude up. thisdiscussion is about kobe.



So in my opinion, along with the 3 rings, those videos speak for Kobe's legacy all in it self.

 

[swyftdahoe]

1) #2 SG of All-Time
2) Top 15 Player of All-Time
3) Best Rapist in NBA history
4) Total douche

 

[ben roethlisberger]

People also forget that during the 2002-2003 season Analysts and sports writers across the board were calling Kobe the best overall player in the LEAGUE andhis name was in the MVP talks. Thats with Shaq on his team too.