Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick
Michael Jordan's opinion in 2001 was Kwame Brown was the best player in the draft. Just cause you're an amazing player doesn't mean your opinion is good
Since when did an opinion close arguments?Originally Posted by prison mike
Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick
Michael Jordan's opinion in 2001 was Kwame Brown was the best player in the draft. Just cause you're an amazing player doesn't mean your opinion is good
Stop reaching. Hindsight is always 20/20. And besides, your comparing a decision that was made based off of potential to an opinion that was based on factual evidence. Two completely different things.
What ? Im 100% correct. Assist is the most overblown stat in basketball. You can pull all kind of trick on the pass but if your teammate don't convert you don't get nothing. Also the passer get no credit if the guy who he pass the ball to got foul and shoot free throw. Imo if the guy make his freethrow the passer should receive an assistOriginally Posted by ill steelo
read this to yourself again son. This is some Lebron level hate right here. Good lord.
You're basically discrediting all passing greats, such as Stockton, Kidd, Nash, Magic who thrived off assists.Originally Posted by ACBboyz84
What ? Im 100% correct. Assist is the most overblown stat in basketball. You can pull all kind of trick on the pass but if your teammate don't convert you don't get nothing. Also the passer get no credit if the guy who he pass the ball to got foul and shoot free throw. Imo if the guy make his freethrow the passer should receive an assistOriginally Posted by ill steelo
read this to yourself again son. This is some Lebron level hate right here. Good lord.
This is BSPN where Lebron has 3 Top 25 greatest playoff performances ever but Bird and Olajuwon has 0.
Yall Kobe haters forgot how big Kobe played in game 4 of the Finals in 2000 when Shaq fouled out ? Dude put his team on his back and carried them to the victory . It was a classic game
What about the remaining 95+% of the 2000 finals, where Shaq wasn't in a fouled out state?
What about the game where Kobe played only 9 minutes and the Lakers still won behind Shaq's 40 points on 11-18 shooting, 24 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 blocks? That made it evident that Shaq was so dominant that he could've won with many other PG-SG-SF all-stars as his #2 guy.
Kobe in the 2000 finals:
15.6 ppg on .367 shooting
4.6 rpg
4.2 apg
Dunks and lay ups generally produce higher FG%. I thought you could have figured it out ? Are you saying Jordan was a GREAT shooter because he shot above 50% ? LOL
Shaq dominate 95% ? Reach . Shaq could have won with any other SG or SF ? Lol reach
How come Shaq didn't win with Penny when Penny was in his prime ? Kobe was only 21 ?
When Shaq was out of the game for rest. It was Kobe time. His impact on perimeter defense and his presence on the floor was huge.
When Kobe was on the floor with Shaq. Kobe was always the main facilitator on the floor. He draws all the attention from the perimeter. Of course there were million times Kobe would get no credit for making a nice pass because Shaq got fouled in the process and had to shoot freethrow.
Again you're only looking at stat and stat is overrated. How about you look at the game ? Go back and watch those WCF games.
Kobe EARNED his medals. He wasn't on some Luke Walton ride along the show
And in the following . 2001. Kobe was beast. A second option that put up nearly 29 point a game in playoff ? Where you find such second option ?
VC , Tmac, AI , Ray Allen ain't going to give you 29 per game while having to guard other team perimeter players . Try again son
Your man Lebron would have been better than MJ right now because he has 8 imaginary rings remember ? LOL
Originally Posted by ACBboyz84
What ? Im 100% correct. Assist is the most overblown stat in basketball.Originally Posted by ill steelo
read this to yourself again son. This is some Lebron level hate right here. Good lord.
Tell me how is it not ? Are you saying the guy who pass the ball has the ability to make his teammate to convert the shot as well ? You can try to make the prettiest pass but if your teammate don't covert you don't get nothing. Example. You drive and kick the ball out to your teammate. He brick a wide open shot now what do you get ? Do you still get an assist if he miss ? How about if you set up a nice pass but your teammate get fouled and shoot free throw ? lol Do you still get assist for that ? If player A has 5 assist per game vs player B got 7 assist per game. Are you saying player A don't pass the ball thus he only average 5 assist ?Originally Posted by ill steelo
Originally Posted by ACBboyz84
What ? Im 100% correct. Assist is the most overblown stat in basketball.Originally Posted by ill steelo
read this to yourself again son. This is some Lebron level hate right here. Good lord.I'm in tears b. You legitimately believe this
You HAVE to be trollin
You can pretty much discredit any stat in basketball (or any sport for that matter). For an example, steals. You could argue that a player might have broken out of the defensive scheme to gamble on a ball that could potentially turn into a open shot attempt for the opposing team. You could say that about field goal percentage. A player might average 25% shooting during the first three quarters but during the 4th he consistently averages 80%. You're really just nitpicking.Originally Posted by ACBboyz84
Tell me how is it not ? Are you saying the guy who pass the ball has the ability to make his teammate to convert the shot as well ? You can try to make the prettiest pass but if your teammate don't covert you don't get nothing. Example. You drive and kick the ball out to your teammate. He brick a wide open shot now what do you get ? Do you still get an assist if he miss ? How about if you set up a nice pass but your teammate get fouled and shoot free throw ? lol Do you still get assist for that ? If player A has 5 assist per game vs player B got 7 assist per game. Are you saying player A don't pass the ball thus he only average 5 assist ?Originally Posted by ill steelo
I'm in tears b. You legitimately believe this
You can't be that naive .
Dunks and lay ups generally produce higher FG%. I thought you could have figured it out ? Are you saying Jordan was a GREAT shooter because he shot above 50% ? LOL
You got it all wrong. The thing that truly deserves a "LOL" is saying that shooting 54% over a season is not great because it was because of layups and dunks.
Are you friggin kidding me? Ever since they start playing basketball, little kids are taught that layups and shots closer to the basket are the best shots to take. But now you're going to discredit someone who worked hard to get to the basket and put an asterisk next to his field goal percentage because a bigger chunk of his points than you find suitable came off dunks and layups? And by the way, I don't even know what percentage of MJ's 91 points came off layups and dunks exactly. It still doesn't matter, because discrediting his FG% whatever the percentage of layups and dunks was is some of the dumbest analysis of basketball I've seen.
Shaq dominate 95% ? Reach . Shaq could have won with any other SG or SF ? Lol reach
How come Shaq didn't win with Penny when Penny was in his prime ? Kobe was only 21 ?
Not a reach at all.
He didn't win the 95 finals because he had to face Hakeem Olajuwon.
You can bring up Penny. I can bring up Wade. What about the fact that he won with Wade when he was nowhere near as good as he was with the Lakers? But yeah, when he was much better than he was with Wade between 1999-2004, of all the star players he needed KOBE to win.
When Shaq was out of the game for rest. It was Kobe time. His impact on perimeter defense and his presence on the floor was huge.
Whatever you claim his impact was, it was peanuts compared to Shaq's impact, which is the point.
Kobe EARNED his medals. He wasn't on some Luke Walton ride along the show
Who the hell said he was a Luke Walton? But he was along for the show. Shaq was like a kid in a candy store those years. No one was even remotely capable of stopping him.
And in the following . 2001. Kobe was beast. A second option that put up nearly 29 point a game in playoff ? Where you find such second option ?
VC , Tmac, AI , Ray Allen ain't going to give you 29 per game while having to guard other team perimeter players . Try again son
McGrady averaged 34 ppg in the first round against the Bucks. Vince Carter averaged 27 over those playoffs. Iverson 33, even though I don't think Iverson would've been a great teammate for Shaq because he wouldn't share the ball enough. Ray Allen averaged 25. Pierce averaged 25 the next year, the first time he made the playoffs. The difference? They were all kicked out of the playoffs and unlike Kobe, none of these players were drafted with a silver spoon in their mouths to be put in a position to play with a player who played in a time where he was more dominant than any other player in NBA history was during his time. Not Wilt, not Kareem, no one was as dominant compared to the rest of the league as Shaq was in the early 00s. He would've won multiple rings with all these players being his sidekick. He was just THAT dominant.
As for the finals themselves: He wasn't as bad as in the 2000 finals, but Kobe still played like meh in the 2001 finals.
Compare the 2004-05, 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons of Kobe with those of early 00s T-Mac. He put up great stats, but team-wise it was lottery and first round exits.
I won't even waste my time and argue with you anymore. You seriously sound like a kid. 54% from the floor isn't great because it was on layups?Assists is the most overblown stat in basketball?
Originally Posted by Crime Wave
Since when did an opinion close arguments?Originally Posted by prison mike
Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick
Michael Jordan's opinion in 2001 was Kwame Brown was the best player in the draft. Just cause you're an amazing player doesn't mean your opinion is good
Stop reaching. Hindsight is always 20/20. And besides, your comparing a decision that was made based off of potential to an opinion that was based on factual evidence. Two completely different things.
Why are you putting someones opinion over factual evidence? That's laughable. Kobe Bryant's body of work isn't touching Magic/Kareem in the all-time list, so why would anyone propel him as the greatest Laker of all-time? You logic is pathetic. This would be an entirely different argument depending on the criteria. Is Kobe the most recognizable Laker of all-time, probably. Who did most for the Lakers as a franchise? West (Player and exec). Who was the most dominant as a player? Shaq imoOriginally Posted by prison mike
Originally Posted by Crime Wave
Since when did an opinion close arguments?
Jerry Wests opinion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yours.
Originally Posted by Crime Wave
Why are you putting someones opinion over factual evidence? That's laughable. Kobe Bryant's body of work isn't touching Magic/Kareem in the all-time list, so why would anyone propel him as the greatest Laker of all-time? You logic is pathetic. This would be an entirely different argument depending on the criteria. Is Kobe the most recognizable Laker of all-time, probably. Who did most for the Lakers as a franchise? West (Player and exec). Who was the most dominant as a player? Shaq imoOriginally Posted by prison mike
Originally Posted by Crime Wave
Since when did an opinion close arguments?
Jerry Wests opinion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yours.
Originally Posted by prison mike
Talent leve......wait wait wait, aren't you the poster that said lebrons 6 imaginary rings were greater than Kobe's 5 real ones?!?!?!?
Responding to you would be a complete waste of my time.
You sir have just been added to my ignore list. Good day.
