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[DCAllAfrican]

We perfectly understand how the game works, what's weighted, and expected. Dudes are just voicing their opinions on how things can improve...and their reactions to the prequel.

Idk what's hard to understand about that.

It is VERY hard to understand when the complaint is, "My PG averaged 10 and 10 and isn't a lottery pick."

If it was the 15 and 5 wing player that wasn't a lottery pick, then I see your issue (which I brought up and you purposely ignored).

But not crying about the 10 and 10 pg.

No THAT isn't a game issue, that is you need to get your numbers us

 

[MVP]

How is it not good enough to demand a lottery pick when there have been real life lottery picks that put up not even as good as those numbers. 

 

[the 718 truth]

10 and 10 or similar numbers aren't mid to low first round and scathing scouting reports. That was the original point we were trying to make.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

So what are you arguing?

You arent saying anything. I know this is your "thing"...but you aren't saying much right now.

We just wanna see the game move closer to reality. Nothing wrong with pointing things out about the game that can be fixed.

I really don't see where you're coming from

Read again. I made myself clear many times.

10 and 10 from a PG is NOT, "I DESERVE TO BE LOTTERY" material.

That is my thesis

 

[DCAllAfrican]

How is it not good enough to demand a lottery pick when there have been real life lottery picks that put up not even as good as those numbers. 

POINT GUARDS

 

[MVP]

POINT GUARDS

MIKE CONLEY

 

[DCAllAfrican]

10 and 10 or similar numbers aren't mid to low first round and scathing scouting reports. That was the original point we were trying to make.

And that is WRONG.

Not even just looking at FRESHMAN Pgs, the VAST majority of PGS in NCAA history thst averaged close to 10 assists per game were no where NEAR lottery picks.

So thst is why it is wild to DEMAND 10 and 10 from a PG is lottery worthy

 

[DCAllAfrican]

MIKE CONLEY

Again dude, you name one and I can name 40

 

[addict4sneakers]

40 freshman PGs that averaged 10 and 10? And we're consensus top 5 players?

Name them

 

[wavycrocket]

A 10 & 10 FRESHMAN POINT GUARD...that was the:

-#1 Player in the COUNTRY
-Led his team to the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
-ALREADY A PROJECTED LOTTERY PICK (Becsuse 95% of #1 Prospects are lotto picks)
-Averaged 10 ASSIST PER GAME (major conference guards max out about 7apg...and they are usually upper clas man)

Would UNDOUBTLY be a lotto pick. If not the #1 pick . I don't think you've played the prelude. Because if you did...you'd realize that the "President" isn't borderline 4 year college player trying to get some time....

He's a PHENOM....expected to be a one and done lotto pick. 10 & 10 gets you that....if not more.

 

[the 718 truth]

And that is WRONG.

Not even just looking at FRESHMAN Pgs, the VAST majority of PGS in NCAA history thst averaged close to 10 assists per game were no where NEAR lottery picks.

So thst is why it is wild to DEMAND 10 and 10 from a PG is lottery worthy

So if a freshman pg averaged 10 and 10 would you question if he's ready for the league?

 

[DCAllAfrican]

40 freshman PGs that averaged 10 and 10? And we're consensus top 5 players?

Name them

THAT isn't what I said

I said outside of freshman. I was speaking in general about people averaging close to a double double from the PG position

Regardless of class

 

[DCAllAfrican]

So if a freshman pg averaged 10 and 10 would you question if he's ready for the league?

Depends on too many other factors.

But in a vacuum, him NOT being a lottery pick wouldn't scream, "Snub."

 

[wavycrocket]

THAT isn't what I said

I said outside of freshman. I was speaking in general about people averaging close to a double double from the PG position

Regardless of class

Goalpost moved

 

[youngthundercat]

MIKE CONLEY

Again dude, you name one and I can name 40

40 freshman PGs that averaged 10 and 10? And we're consensus top 5 players?

Name them

40 freshman PGs that averaged 10 and 10? And we're consensus top 5 players?

Name them

THAT isn't what I said

I said outside of freshman. I was speaking in general about people averaging close to a double double from the PG position

Regardless of class

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[DCAllAfrican]

Let's look at Tyler Ulis.

Highly touted as an incoming Freshman PG. Put up solid numbers his first year. (11 and 5); sure it isn't 10 assists or close to it.

Do we believe if he DID average closer to 10 assists that he would have been a GUARANTEED lottery pick?

 

[DCAllAfrican]

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I like how you conveniently removed the post that I said REGARDLESS of class.

Nice try though

 

[wavycrocket]

Let's look at Tyler Ulis.

Highly touted as an incoming Freshman PG. Put up solid numbers his first year. (11 and 5); sure it isn't 10 assists or close to it.

Do we believe if he DID average closer to 10 assists that he would have been a GUARANTEED lottery pick?

Was Tyler ulis the consensus #1 player in his class...and a projected one and done out of college?

No. He's also a 5'9 PG. an outlier.

Terrible example to use.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Let's look at Tyler Ulis.

Highly touted as an incoming Freshman PG. Put up solid numbers his first year. (11 and 5); sure it isn't 10 assists or close to it.

Do we believe if he DID average closer to 10 assists that he would have been a GUARANTEED lottery pick?

Pretty sure dude didn't create a 5-9 145lb PG.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Pretty sure dude didn't create a 5-9 145lb PG.

Pretty sure the game doesn't factor height into the equation for draft position.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Was Tyler ulis the consensus #1 player in his class...and a projected one and done out of college?

No. He's also a 5'9 PG. an outlier.

Terrible example to use.

Outlier?

Are we really going to use the word OUTLIER for a situation that has NEVER happened in the history of college basketball?

Cool.

 

[ayotayo]

Tyler Ulis had a nice game winner during summer league. I was in the building to witness it

Edit: this debate about averaging a double double and draft stock has dragged on way too long

 

[DCAllAfrican]

has anybody got higher then lottery pick in the prelude? - Operation Sports Forums http://www.operationsports.com/foru...ody-got-higher-then-lottery-pick-prelude.html

Look into what others are doing and what their projections are

 

[pjdabullsfan]

Kendall Marshall was a lotto pick too...

10 & 8....as a sophomore

Raymond Felton was a top 5 pick and averaged 13 and 7 on a Championship team as a Junior

Deron Williams was a top 3 pick and averaged 12.5 and 7 on a team that to the National Championship as a Junior as well. 

 

[Nipsey3000]

all this 10 and 5 10 and 8 talk is useless because in real life lottery picks are determined by stats but mostly potential.

or should i say...perceived potential