***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Master Zik]

Donald Trump needs to pack up and leave the white house already. US lost a lot of respect and allies as a result of this puppet. January 2020 can't come soon enough

Now it makes a lot more sense.

im disillusioned with Obama if you need any more hints, yea.

Loss of respect, loss of allies, Obama being a puppet is what sounds delusional though.

Granted you can say that about every presidency - save WW2 era presidents - if you didn't like the president at the time.

 

[AZwildcats]

He was a failed president. Many people were disappointed in his Presidency. A lot just won't say it. But the election said it. He put so much skin in the game trying to con us into electing Shillary, and his appeals were rejected.

How was he a failed president? You just typing for the sake of it now?

 

[teamjordan79]

He was a failed president. Many people were disappointed in his Presidency. A lot just won't say it. But the election said it. He put so much skin in the game trying to con us into electing Shillary, and his appeals were rejected.

How was he a failed president? You just typing for the sake of it now?

He typed the answer for you.
A resounding Hillary win would have been a vote of confidence and indicative that Obama's 2 terms were successful, i.e. people approved his policies. Yet H lost despite all the endorsements, money and establishment (and Obama's) support. That's the biggest political L i've seen in my lifetime.

So, let me turn it back. How was he a successful president?

 

[a-friend]

What you see on TV isn't always the whole story.
We knew Millenials and Black voters came out in droves for the Obama election because? Because we saw it on the tele

What exactly is it your pushing here?

Pushing?
I'm not pushing anything.
It just sounds like what you are saying is "Trump won so he's right"

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Trump registered eight companies in Saudi Arabia during the presidential campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...bdc2a2-ad18-11e6-a31b-4b6397e625d0_story.html

Populism!

 

[teamjordan79]

Trump registered eight companies in Saudi Arabia during the presidential campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...bdc2a2-ad18-11e6-a31b-4b6397e625d0_story.html

Populism!

thats not a credible source.

 

[gry60]

Trump registered eight companies in Saudi Arabia during the presidential campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...bdc2a2-ad18-11e6-a31b-4b6397e625d0_story.html

Populism!

thats not a credible source.

Let's see if it gets posted on Craigslist. Maybe you'll believe it then.

 

[Belgium]

thats not a credible source.

 The Post analysis is based on the most recent financial-
disclosure reports filed by Trump’s campaign in May. The self-reported data was unverified by regulators, meaning the reports may not have shown all of Trump’s foreign deals or assets.

You can always read through Trump's financial disclosure to see if they're telling the truth. 

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2838696-Trump-2016-Financial-Disclosure.html

Here you go, 104 pages. Enjoy your read.

 

[whywesteppin]

so now this election was about policies?



wish i could find me a bigger rock to live under.

 

[teamjordan79]

so now this election was about policies?



wish i could find me a bigger rock to live under.

Correct. The sjw rock is yuuuge. That's why none of you seen the L coming

 

[rolaholic]

@ dude acting like Obama hasn't been critiqued for Standing Rock. Just because the corporate media hasn't wanted to shed light on it doesn't mean anything,there's still major backlash as there should be.

Most of the "loony Libs" who actually know what's going on have been appalled by the retro image of dogs and cannons being unleashed for disproportionate attacks on protesters in freezing temperatures and also by the lack of response from the federal government .

Guess that's one difference between libtards and you right wingers,our leaders aren't infallible deities who are beyond reproach

 

[IATT]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...a9c572-ad18-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html

 

[daddy style]

He was a failed president. Many people were disappointed in his Presidency. A lot just won't say it. But the election said it. He put so much skin in the game trying to con us into electing Shillary, and his appeals were rejected.

I say that he was the most successful President ever. Considering how many death threats he received, then with a congress working against him wanting him to fail, he exposed America for exactly what it is, a racist, sexist, xenophobic nation cohabitated by immigrants who think that since they have money, that they are now "white". I am happy that he succeeded as President of this country, because I personally am tired of Black people saving this country, beginning with Crispus Attucks. Black people have been living and dying for, and because of this country, since its inception. Obama did the best he could considering the circumstances. The country was in a financial mess, created by the ever oh so called white elite of this country, and the President made it level. That is success, and he survived while being a wonderful example of class and aplomb while under enormous pressure from the right, then the rest of the world. You may not like him, but I know for a fact that the ancestors do. The latter is all that matters to those of us who are awake. This country is on a path of self destruction, and Black people need to simply get out of the way so it can happen. We, are going to be fine. Them? Thomas Jefferson said it best, " I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever." I want a front row seat for this one, you can sit in the back.

 

[trasoul82]

It is worst.

They had a Dem governor, which they liked. He expanded Medicaid and the Kentucky website was major success.

When the Dem's term was up, they elected an idiot Tea Partier that promised to cut their healthcare. Then they reelected Mitch McConnell who was advocating repealing the ACA and when he was asked about the success of Kynect (the Kentucky marketplace website's name) before the election, he laughed it off like "The ACA must go, but we can keep the website". Not that he will find a way for Kentuckians to have health insurance, but the actual website can stay up if people like it.

When Trump easily wins the state, and to make matter worst, you would think these people would have some sense to at least send a moderate Dem to the Senate to keep the ACA alive under Trump. While they hope deregulation bring back coal (which it won't). They instead reelect Rand ******* Paul

I got a big heart so I feel bad for the folk that will suffer regardless. And there were people in the state that voted blue to save their *****.

But Jesus Christ. Kentucky is the perfect example of how the GOP have the folk so drunk on white supremacy they can't see 10 days into the future.

Idiots.

But when those 19k a year Walmart security guards and truck drivers all become multi millionaires next year, they'll have the last laugh because they will have a really low top marginal rate.

For the record, Wal-Mart truck drivers pull in close to, if not over 90k/year on average.

 

[trueprada]

 

[gry60]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Alexander Dugin. The book has had a large influence within the Russian military, police, and foreign policy elites[1] and was allegedly used as a textbook in the General Staff Academy of Russian military.[1]

Use[edit]
The book was co-authored by General Nikolai Klokotov of the General Staff Academy.[1] Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, head of the International Department of the Russian Ministry of Defence, apparently advised in the project.[1] Klokotov stated that in the future the book would "serve as a mighty ideological foundation for preparing a new military command."

Dugin has asserted that the book has been adopted as a textbook in many Russian educational institutions.[1]

Content[edit]
The book declares that "the battle for the world rule of [ethnic] Russians" has not ended and Russia remains "the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution." The Eurasian Empire will be constructed "on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us."[1]

Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook believes in a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries.[1]

The book states that "the maximum task [of the future] is the 'Finlandization' of all of Europe".[1]

In Europe:

Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term a "Moscow-Berlin axis".[1]
France should be encouraged to form a "Franco-German bloc" with Germany. Both countries have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".[1]
United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe.[1]
Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".[1]
Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.[1]
Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian-Russian sphere.[1]
Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.[1]
Romania, Macedonia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece – "orthodox collectivist East" – will unite with the "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".[1]
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "“Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.[1]
In the Middle East and Central Asia:

The book stresses the "continental Russian-Islamic alliance" which lies "at the foundation of anti-Atlanticist strategy". The alliance is based on the "traditional character of Russian and Islamic civilization".
Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow-Tehran axis".[1]
Armenia has a special role and will serve as a "strategic base" and it is necessary to create "the [subsidiary] axis Moscow-Erevan-Teheran". Armenians "are an Aryan people … [like] the Iranians and the Kurds".[1]
Azerbaijan could be "split up" or given to Iran.[1]
Georgia should be dismembered. Abkhazia and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's South Ossetia) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable.[1]
Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities.[1]
The book regards the Caucasus as a Russian territory, including "the eastern and northern shores of the Caspian (the territories of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan)" and Central Asia (mentioning Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kirghistan and Tajikistan).[1]
In Asia:

China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled". Dugin suggests that Russia start by taking Tibet-Xinjiang-Mongolia-Manchuria as a security belt.[2] Russia should offer China help "in a southern direction – Indochina (except Vietnam), the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia" as geopolitical compensatation.[1]
Russia should manipulate Japanese politics by offering the Kuril Islands to Japan and provoking anti-Americanism.[1]
Mongolia should be absorbed into Eurasia-Russia.[1]
The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."

In the United States:

Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]
The Eurasian Project could be expanded to South and Central America.[1]

Reviews[edit]
Hoover Institution senior fellow John B. Dunlop stated that "the impact of this intended 'Eurasianist' textbook on key Russian elites testifies to the worrisome rise of fascist ideas and sentiments during the late Yeltsin and the Putin period."[2]

An essay by Timothy Snyder in The New York Review of Books said that Foundations of Geopolitics is influenced by the work of Carl Schmitt, a proponent of a conservative international order whose work influenced the Nazis.[3]

References[edit]
^ Jump up to: a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z aa ab John B. Dunlop. "Review: Aleksandr Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics". (a version is published as "Aleksandr Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics", Dunlop, John B. Demokratizatsiya 12.1 (Jan 31, 2004): 41.)
^ Jump up to: a b Dunlop, John B. (July 30, 2004). "Russia's New—and Frightening—Ism". Hoover Digest. Leland Stanford Junior University (3). Retrieved April 2014. Check date values in: |access-date= (help)
Jump up ^ Snyder, Timothy (20 March 2014). "Fascism, Russia, and Ukraine". The New York Review of Books. Retrieved 5 September 2014.

 

[rolaholic]

This dude Putin right now in the Kremlin with everything going according to plan...




Chess grandmaster playing the West like a fiddle

 

[titanium tea]

 
But to ask for a refund for the whole show simply because the cast addressed Pence as a final note? And in a completely respectful manner.

Don't you think that's extreme? 

Ummm no.... dude got attacked with a virtue speech by people at work, being paid to sing and dance. 

They had a chance to vote and bought so much of the TVs lying, paid for garbage, they want to beg a man for mercy or endlessly guilt him when he has no intention of hurting them. Thats called insulting.  You in particular wont grasp that. 

I wouldnt pay to be talked down to like that and would expect a refund. 

Everyone in life doesnt get the ear of the ones that worked hard in the political arena. Thats part of the reason people vote.

 

[daddy style]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

This, is very funny! lolololol

 

[rico x hood]

Ummm no.... dude got attacked with a virtue speech by people at work, being paid to sing and dance. 
They had a chance to vote and bought so much of the TVs lying, paid for garbage, they want to beg a man for mercy or endlessly guilt him when he has no intention of hurting them. Thats called insulting.  You in particular wont grasp that. 
I wouldnt pay to be talked down to like that and would expect a refund. 
Everyone in life doesnt get the ear of the ones that worked hard in the political arena. Thats part of the reason people vote.

Take this rep.

 

[daddy style]

Ummm no.... dude got attacked with a virtue speech by people at work, being paid to sing and dance. 
They had a chance to vote and bought so much of the TVs lying, paid for garbage, they want to beg a man for mercy or endlessly guilt him when he has no intention of hurting them. Thats called insulting.  You in particular wont grasp that. 
I wouldnt pay to be talked down to like that and would expect a refund. 
Everyone in life doesnt get the ear of the ones that worked hard in the political arena. Thats part of the reason people vote.

So white man who does not believe in white privilege, if the war between the races does occur, what side will you be on?

 

[titanium tea]

So white man who does not believe in white privilege, if the war between the races does occur, what side will you be on?

Dude.....full offense intended.

That was the least thought through post youve made yet.

Go have a coffee

 

[RustyShackleford]

He was a failed president. Many people were disappointed in his Presidency. A lot just won't say it. But the election said it. He put so much skin in the game trying to con us into electing Shillary, and his appeals were rejected.

My your own logic, since he won reelection, you can't criticize him, so maybe you should just shut the hell up.

But hey, your rules, not mine

 

[rico x hood]

It is well known even by those with the most minimal of political insights, that elections are either an embrace or repudiation of the previous four years.

Clearly Trump's win is a sign that the country was tired of Obama's brand of "progress" that went so far as to elect someone who on the outside is his opposite in every single way.

So how does that make him a success when the standard bearer of the "third Obama term" couldn't win an election with his endorsement and unmatched campaigning skill?

 

[RustyShackleford]

It is well known even by those with the most minimal of political insights, that elections are either an embrace or repudiation of the previous four years.

Clearly Trump's win is a sign that the country was tired of Obama's brand of "progress" that went so far as to elect someone who on the outside is his opposite in every single way.

So how does that make him a success when the standard bearer of the "third Obama term" couldn't win an election with his endorsement and unmatched campaigning skill?

Look whose is singing a different tune today.

The nonsense you were spitting yesterday clearly makes you today criticism today hypocrisy.