***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[ben roethlisberger]

Drumpf isn't exactly letting that happen. So far he's trying to control the flow of people, companies, etc. It's exactly what his supporters look to him for, to save them while at the same time complaining government is too intrusive. It's asinine thinking.

The left and the right advocate for big government, but the left damn near wants a socialist government.

Idk, man. The past administrations have infringed on the rights of Americans, enforced an aggressive imperialist foreign policy, lied to the public, controlled the media, sold out to corporations and inacted policies in favor of those corporations (Michael R. Taylor and the Monsanto Protection Act) and yet, those administrations get respect and praise because the POTUS had swag and was an incredible speaker.

I don't get it.

 

[SoleByThePound]

Animal agriculture is the biggest threat to the environment.

Really hoping all of you that are complaining are on a plant-based diet. Otherwise, your outrage holds no weight. You can't expect government to regulate when you can't even regulate what you put in your mouth.

I agree that as Americans we need to take a long hard look at what we are consuming and the effects it has on our planet. With that being said, we need to make every effort we can to make sure that we are tackling environmental protection on every front.

 

[MVP]

The left and the right advocate for big government, but the left damn near wants a socialist government.

Idk, man. The past administrations have infringed on the rights of Americans, enforced an aggressive imperialist foreign policy, lied to the public, controlled the media, sold out to corporations and inacted policies in favor of those corporations (Michael R. Taylor and the Monsanto Protection Act) and yet, those administrations get respect and praise because the POTUS had swag and was an incredible speaker.

I don't get it.

Bush was not a good speaker and definitely had no swag.

Wanting people to have the fundamental right of healthcare is socialism now? At least you admitted both sides want big government that's more than most of them will acknowledge.

 

[ninjahood]

Then they are morons.
Do you think vaccines cause autism?

nah, although abnormal vaccination reactions do exist, i don't think Autism is da product of it though in this case.

 

[whywesteppin]

Can the couple trump sympathizers on here explain to me why Andrew Wakefield met with trump and showed up at his inauguration ball?

For those who don't know, Wakefield is the quack who published a fraudulent paper in 1998 claiming that vaccines were linked with autism. He also had his medical license revoked due to ethics violations. Worse yet, he falsified the data because he planned to profit off the backlash against vaccines.

This piece of **** is the kind of guy trump likes to work with. Along with theranos board members, another debunked and dangerous scam. Why? Because trump himself is the biggest scam of them all. How anyone can defend him is beyond me, and anyone who tries is just as bad in my book.

**** you all.

da Hollywood left been pushing that anti vaccine propaganda for years

Robert De Niro had to be shamed into not going to his own documentary bout Anti Vaccination.

that **** Festers in da upper crevasses of liberal intelligencia.

so your moral outrage rings as selective & hollow.

My last line stands.

I hated the ******* in Hollywood who opposed vaccines. They are dangerous and stupid.

I don't care if it's the crazy homeless guy or the president of our country. **** everyone who peddles such dangerous lies. They are frauds and deserve to be mocked.

That's true moral outrage, ninjahood. It is not reserved for a political party. Learn something. And to reiterate:

**** you all.

If we're going to stand up to trump, then everyone has to unite: black and white, women and men, immigrants and natives, gay and straight, scientists/doctors/lawyers/tech geeks, christians/jews/muslims/atheists, etc.

If we do then we can have everything. If not then trump and da deplorables will **** us.

But isn't that always the case with anything, we have to unite....except when black people are under fire, then black people need to take care of their own problems.

True, it's not fair.

But at some point we need to be pragmatic and the best strategy today is to tie together the struggles of women, blacks, Muslims, immigrants, etc. and stand behind a single cause. Not one of politics but one of truth and justice.

The battle right now is essentially one of what it means to be an American. All politics and agenda aside, that's what the election was about. Everyone's fate rests on how that question is answered.

 

[brendasdeadbaby]

26 billion wasted and about 7 billion of federal funding stripped from NYC while we the tax payer pay over 1 million a day to protect him and his family

 

[ben roethlisberger]

Bush was not a good speaker and definitely had no swag.

Obama did all the things bush did, tenfold.

Neocon think tanks ran both those administrations.

 

[rolaholic]

That GOP fear mongering worked beyond wonders if now folks have been brainwashed into thinking the States under Obama was anything near a "socialist government"

Dudes really think social democratic principles are now the same as having a totally socialist system

 

[MVP]

Obama did all the things bush did, tenfold.

Neocon think tanks ran both those administrations.

Cool. You're wrong but that's your opinion.

 

[ben roethlisberger]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your unification of revolt is pointed towards Trump, is it not?

If it is, then by mere default you are excluding the 46% of voters that don't want what you want.

 

[MVP]

That GOP fear mongering worked beyond wonders if now folks have been brainwashed into thinking the States under Obama was anything near a "socialist government"

Dudes really think social democratic principles are now the same as having a totally socialist system

It's ridiculous. I'm just waiting until Paul Ryan guts medicare and Medicaid and these idiots start whining.

 

[son nelly]

But at some point we need to be pragmatic and the best strategy today is to tie together the struggles of women, blacks, Muslims, immigrants, etc. and stand behind a single cause. Not one of politics but one of truth and justice.

 

They've been tried that. It ignores the fact that these groups don't think the same. Its almost patronizing.

 

[SoleByThePound]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your unification of revolt is pointed towards Trump, is it not?

If it is, then by mere default you are excluding the 46% of voters that don't want what you want.

Maybe this country is over due for another Civil War?

 

[gil23]

Thats not that easy. 

A bit early but there's no Obama like candidate I can see. The old guard isn't likely to be able to do it. And it got to be somebody who can cross and get back those states Hillary messed up with.

Let's get JOE i the best shape of his life and let him run in 2020

 

[freeze]

Which is why I'm kind of indifferent and won't be out here protesting for this wall ish. Many Latinos who feel they've made it in America are actually for the wall.

im not going out to protest for nothing. as has been noted online in "black twitter"

black history ***** ‏@localblactivist Jan 21


I just think it's funny how these celebs were able to clear their schedules for the Womens March but couldnt even send a tweet for a BLM onepic.twitter.com/uSd28DuKfP




and

 





etc etc. hard to feel compelled to march with these other groups, when for the past 2 years they've refused to march with you. but now that the war is real to them, word to Cassian Andor

they want us to join them.







 

just gave you like 3 consecutive reps lol. coming with that truth on a wednesday afternoon my g

 

[Belgium]

nah, although abnormal vaccination reactions do exist, i don't think Autism is da product of it though in this case.

Glad we can at least agree on that 

 

[dathbgboy]

If we're going to stand up to trump, then everyone has to unite: black and white, women and men, immigrants and natives, gay and straight, scientists/doctors/lawyers/tech geeks, christians/jews/muslims/atheists, etc.

If we do then we can have everything. If not then trump and da deplorables will **** us.

But isn't that always the case with anything, we have to unite....except when black people are under fire, then black people need to take care of their own problems.

True, it's not fair.

But at some point we need to be pragmatic and the best strategy today is to tie together the struggles of women, blacks, Muslims, immigrants, etc. and stand behind a single cause. Not one of politics but one of truth and justice.

The battle right now is essentially one of what it means to be an American. All politics and agenda aside, that's what the election was about. Everyone's fate rests on how that question is answered.

[/QUOTE]

Without a doubt and it's up to the black leaders, whomever they may be to make sure that the support is returned when the black community needs it.

 

[kingkoopa]

just gave you like 3 consecutive reps lol. coming with that truth on a wednesday afternoon my g

100000%

 

[tekthemaestro]

just gave you like 3 consecutive reps lol. coming with that truth on a wednesday afternoon my g

its the underlying truths that only SOME of us are acknowledging lol. the unification against trump is good, but the fact that the only time minorities truly unified was against trump... but not for each other... is problematic in itself

 

[rolaholic]

Emails fellas emails. We don't need anymore politicians.

The orange clown was the right choice. Hillary was so bad!

Paid speeches to Goldman Sachs and a private server. That's just something we can't overlook.

Oh yeah Benghazi too.

Speaking of private email servers since folks seemed to care so much...

@thehill: Trump senior staff have active accounts on a private email system: report http://hill.cm/mSwFGkw

Curious to see how the MAGA crowd feels about this

 

[ksteezy]

Which is why I'm kind of indifferent and won't be out here protesting for this wall ish. Many Latinos who feel they've made it in America are actually for the wall.

Question....did you walk in protest for any of the BLM walks? Just curious

 

[freeze]

If we're going to stand up to trump, then everyone has to unite: black and white, women and men, immigrants and natives, gay and straight, scientists/doctors/lawyers/tech geeks, christians/jews/muslims/atheists, etc.

If we do then we can have everything. If not then trump and da deplorables will **** us.

What happens to the other half of the country that disagree with you? Because when saying everyone, you really don't mean everyone.

They can die in a fire.

Whether it's bigotry or inferior intelligence, their transgressions are unforgivable.

cue mourning gif

 

[IATT]

Speaking of private email servers since folks seemed to care so much...

@thehill: Trump senior staff have active accounts on a private email system: report http://hill.cm/mSwFGkw

Curious to see how the MAGA crowd feels about this

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...-still-using-his-unsecured-android-phone.html

 

[whywesteppin]

But at some point we need to be pragmatic and the best strategy today is to tie together the struggles of women, blacks, Muslims, immigrants, etc. and stand behind a single cause. Not one of politics but one of truth and justice.
 

They've been tried that. It ignores the fact that these groups don't think the same. Its almost patronizing.

You are right and I think it has been a hindrance to progressive movements. Perhaps a different approach is needed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your unification of revolt is pointed towards Trump, is it not?

If it is, then by mere default you are excluding the 46% of voters that don't want what you want.

It's not exclusively against trump but he is the head of it.

I see your point and that's why I've been saying recently that I think we may be headed to some sort of escalation. I posted a couple days ago that the vision of America that trump supporters hold is incompatible with the vision of America that me and many others hold (and it's not a clean split between liberals and conservatives).

Maybe you or others can convince me otherwise, but I don't see a happy solution right being possible with the way things are going now.

Granted, it really depends on how things go these next few months but it's not looking good. I can understand trump removing some regulations, toughening up border security, renegotiating trade deals, and "upgrading" the ACA. But if the ACA is dismantled, if the free media is suppressed, etc., that's a different story.

Anyway, to your point, we do need I think to dissociate some politics from what I'm saying. We don't necessarily need minority rights or fact-based medicine or freedom of press to be exclusively liberal ideas. They are largely compatible with conservative and some small government approaches.

 

[rolaholic]

‏@CNNPolitics: BREAKING: President Trump says intelligence officials have told him torture "absolutely" works