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^^^scary stuff, but i suppose it's to be expected in a society where money talks...:smh:

It was only a matter of time.

Supreme Court really effed up on that "corporations are people too" nonsense.




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[h2]UNCERTAIN FORECAST FOR SOCIAL SECURITY[/h2][h3]PROGRAM’S FINANCIAL HEALTH HAS BEEN OVERSTATED FOR YEARS, STUDIES SAY MAY 8, 2015 | EDITOR'S PICK  P[/h3][h3]By Peter Reuell, Harvard Staff Writer[/h3]
A new study has found that the financial health of Social Security, the program that millions of Americans have relied on for decades as a crucial part of their income, has been dramatically overstated.

The study compared all forecasts made by the Social Security Administration  over the 80-year history of the program with its actual outcome, and found that its forecasts of the health of Social Security trust funds have become increasingly biased since 2000. Current forecasts are likely off by billions of dollars, and the program could be insolvent earlier than expected unless legislators act, the study found.

The study, which appears Friday in the Journal of Economic Perspectives, was co-authored by Gary King,  the Albert J. Weatherhead III University Professor at Harvard University; Konstantin Kashin,  a Ph.D. student at Harvard’s Institute for Quantitative Social Science; and Samir Soneji, an assistant professor at the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy & Clinical Practice.


 

These graphs reveal errors in Social Security Administration forecasts of two indicators of the health of its trust funds — the trust fund balance (a measure of inflows into the fund, minus outflows from it) and a measure of the overall cost of the program. Forecasts in the Trustees’ Reports until about 2000 had an error rate of around zero, indicated by a horizontal line. After 2000, the forecasts indicate that the balance in the fund is too high and the cost is too low, meaning that the fund is not as healthy as their forecasts indicate. (Source: Gary King)

In a second paper, published on the same day in Political Analysis, the Harvard-Dartmouth team points to antiquated, ad hoc methods for creating the forecasts as the cause for the growing bias. They suggest that otherwise laudable efforts to insulate the forecasts from political influence have resulted, somewhat ironically, in insulating the process from data that could improve their accuracy.

“The bias in their forecasts results in a picture that’s rosier than it really is,” King said. “They’re not saying the system is in good health. Pretty much everybody who evaluates Social Security realizes there’s a problem … But the system is in significantly worse shape than their forecasts are indicating.

“This is a major problem,” he continued. “Social Security is the single largest government program. It lifted an entire generation of elderly out of poverty, and today affects the lives of almost every American. The forecasts are essential for ensuring the solvency of the Social Security trust fund, as well for Medicare and Medicaid, which together add up to half of the entire budget of the federal government.”

While forecasting the health of the Social Security trust funds has long been part of the program — each year, the administration creates forecasts that look one, five, 10, 20, and even 75 years into the future — the study conducted by the Harvard-Dartmouth team is the first by anyone inside or outside of the government to evaluate their accuracy.

“It’s typically been difficult to conduct studies that evaluate forecasts, but the Social Security Administration has been around long enough that if they made a 10-year forecast a decade ago, by now we can look to see how they did,” Soneji said. “There’s tremendous scientific value in evaluating real-world forecasts that were made by people who were really trying to figure out what the future was going to be like.”

What they found, King said, was that while forecasts were never perfect, they were largely unbiased for quite some time.


 

The Social Security Administration scores all major policy proposals from both political parties, but has never reported margins of error for any. This graph shows that for their 10-year and 75-year estimates, and for the balance in the trust fund or the cost of the program, almost all the public policies the agency scored were smaller than the uncertainty in its forecasts. Only the small number of proposals scores (represented by green triangles at the bottom of the graph, below at dashed line) are statistically distinguishable from zero. This indicates that almost all of the policy scoring the Social Security Administration has done is essentially random noise rather than systematic signal. (Source: Gary King)

“On average, they were about right until about 2000,” he said. “Sometimes they were too high, sometimes they were too low, but they were able to adjust quickly enough over time and remained fairly accurate.”

Over the last decade and a half, however, those course corrections weren’t made, and the gap between the forecasts and reality has grown steadily. To understand just how wide that gap is, King said, it’s necessary to understand the other key role played by Social Security auditors: evaluating legislation related to the program.

“For every major policy proposal that’s put forward by Democrats or Republicans, they do what’s called ‘scoring’ the proposal,” King said. “This is a tremendously valuable service, and they’re the only ones who do it. Unfortunately, because the actuaries making the forecasts do not share all their data and procedures, no one else can.”

But when King, Kashin, and Soneji collected every policy score from the past several decades and compared them to the forecasting bias, the result was troubling.

“Even if we assume that every one of those policy scores was 100 percent right for today, which is an unrealistically optimistic assumption, when we look at the uncertainty in their forecasts, we find it’s larger than almost all of the policy scores,” King said. “That’s hugely problematic, because it means all the policy debates about Social Security are being informed by something that’s basically random noise.”

While there is benefit to Democrats and Republicans coming together to debate how best to reform the Social Security system, King said the simple step of making the data used in the forecasts public would dramatically improve them, and provide the parties with a more solid foundation upon which to have that debate.

“No one else can make fully independent forecasts of Social Security because they have the data, and they don’t fully share it with anyone,” King said. “They don’t share it with government; they don’t share it with academics; they don’t even share it with other parts of the Social Security Administration. There’s no reason it needs to be kept secret … And if they were to make the data available to the scientific community, academics would fall over themselves competing to help them make better forecasts, and ultimately that would be better for absolutely everyone in the United States.”


 

This figure plots errors in Social Security Administration short-term forecasts for female life expectancy and male life expectancy at 65 years old. On the vertical axis, zero means the forecast was correct, as it approximately was for most years until 2000. After 2000, the line falls below zero, indicating that the Social Security Administration has been substantially underestimating how long Americans will live. This error means that the trust fund will have to pay benefits longer than expected. (Source: Gary King)

While the evidence points to increasing bias in the forecasts produced by the Social Security Administration, it still begs the question of why the forecasts have been skewed in one direction versus another.

Ironically, King said, it may be the result of Social Security auditors doing just what the public might want them to do and insulating themselves from the contentious political questions that swirl around the program.

“One thing that has happened since 2000 is that people started living longer than expected, which means people are drawing benefits longer than expected,” King said. “But in trying to hunker down and insulate themselves from the politics, they ended up insulating themselves from the data as well.”

Among the keys to improving the forecasts, King said, will be bringing the forecasting process into the 21st century.

“They’ve been using almost the same methods to generate these forecasts, with few important changes, since the program was instituted,” Soneji explained. “They have committees that try to set some of the parameters for their models, but there is a great deal of informality and a lot of ad hoc decisions. It is an essentially a qualitative process that could be formalized.”

In the wider world, the revolution in big data, data science, and statistical methodology of the past several decades has deeply transformed how forecasts are generated, yet relatively little of that progress has been utilized by the Social Security Administration. Ideally, King said, the process should be automated where possible, with humans stepping in when they can add value. As it stands today, with many people making hundreds of informal decisions, the process is rife with procedures that social psychologists have demonstrated can lead to inadvertent biases, no matter how hard individuals try to avoid them.

To avoid such problems, King said, the Social Security Administration needs to do two things: develop a formalized, replicable approach to generating forecasts that automates the process as much as possible; and work with social psychologists and other experts to ensure that, when humans do enter the process, their inherent biases are controlled as much as possible.

“For example, one thing they do is forecast mortality rates by age,” King said. “We know that mortality rates are lower for a 60-year-old than an 80-year-old. But that’s just one of 200-plus parameters they have to consider in these forecasts. One person can’t remember what those 200 parameters are, much less what their relationships are, all at the same time.

“The approach we have now may have been the best method decades ago. But now we have much better methods of automating, not 100 percent of the process, but far more of it. We don’t want quantitative methods to replace human decision-making; we want them to empower human efforts. Similarly, there’s no reason to add up a long column of numbers without a computer these days, but your computer isn’t going to know what column to add up without you in control.”

No matter what reforms are put in place, King said, it’s important to understand that the forecasting process will never be foolproof.

“The progress that’s been made in data science formalizing, and thus improving, human decision-making has been spectacular, and these developments need to get to Social Security,” King said. “The rest should be dealt with by social psychologists, who can devise procedures to take the human bias out of the process that must remain qualitative. For example, the late Harvard psychologist Richard Hackman showed that if men and women auditioned for violin spots in an orchestra from behind a curtain, men still won most of the spots. But if you took off their shoes first, so the judges couldn’t hear who had on high heels, the gender bias vanished.”

Soneji explained: “The combination of modern data science, modern social psychology, and modern data sharing can vastly improve the situation.”

Ultimately, however, taking steps to improve the forecasts can’t keep Social Security from becoming insolvent. The debate over how to keep the program afloat must be left to the nation’s elected representatives. But by improving the forecasting process, King said, it is possible to ensure that debate is informed by facts.

“I don’t know how the politics are going to come out,” King said. “There certainly are ways to keep the system from going insolvent: You could slightly lengthen the retirement age, increase taxes on the wealthy, or increase payroll taxes. Our results don’t say which of those to choose, or even whether to choose anything. I think the politicians will do something. There have been grand compromises over Social Security over the years. When the parties sit down to negotiate, all we want is for them to have the real facts. That’s all.”

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2015/05/uncertain-forecast-for-social-security-2/
 
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Sanders ftw
 
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For the last paragraph of the Social Security article, where they ask how will they fix it. I can answer how they will fix it... People without money will get screwed, young people will get screwed. And people with money will go unscathed.


As for Bernie Sanders, I'd love for him to have a shot, and I think he could win, if he was 30 years younger. But he's far too old and going against a person with far too much name recognition for him to even come within 20 points of beating Hillary.

My hope was Elizabeth Warren would pose a challenge to Hillary, but she seems unwilling to risk the political capital to go against her. She would be my first choice, but don't think she will make a serious run.

So Hillary in 2016 it is. And we'll see what contestant in the clown car she will be forced to run against.
 
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Kinda surprised how much I agree with Bernie on that checklist. Then again, Hillary is a political animal with little actual principles other than universal healthcare.
 
Jeb Bush town hall ends with 'Black Lives Matter' chants

(CNN)Jeb Bush's town hall in North Las Vegas on Wednesday ended abruptly after the Republican presidential candidate answered a question about racial inequality, and Black Lives Matter advocates began chanting as he made his exit.

The former Florida governor, whose campaign said he met with advocates before the event, was asked about his views on racial disparities in the criminal justice system that have been amplified by recent incidence of unarmed black men dying at the hands of white police officers.

Bush said "these problems have gotten worse in the last few years" and that communities "no longer trust the basic institutions in our society that they need to trust."

He called on local leaders to get more engaged in recognizing the problem, adding that "perception becomes reality, and there is racism in America."

"No one should deny that, although there's been significant progress," he added.

Asked how he can relate to people living with those concerns on a daily basis, Bush pointed to his White House bid.

"I relate to it by running for president to try and create a climate where there is civility and understanding and to encourage mayors, leaders at the local level to engage so that there is not despair and isolation in communities," he said.

Out of the building
After answering the question, he quickly ended his town hall without giving a final statement like he normally does and started working the room -- shaking hands and greeting voters --- as he began making his way out of the building, when a crowd of protesters began chanting "black lives matter."

Bush faced criticism from the Black Lives Matter movement when he defended Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley for telling protesters that "all lives matter."

The former governor addressed the National Urban League conference last month and focused on improving education and particularly expanding school choice as a key step to improving racial inequality.

"People in communities that had no chance, that were assigned to failing schools, the teachers in those schools were not as good as the teachers that were in other schools, the net result was we had these huge divides," Bush said at the town hall. "And it's very easy to understand why that exists."

Bush spokeswoman Allie Brandenburger said that Bush talked about criminal justice among other issues with Black Lives Matter advocates before his event.

"Governor Bush's goal is to unite Americans, not divide them, and that begins with having open, candid conversations with all voters," she said in a statement, adding that they also discussed "barriers to upward mobility" and ways to overcome them.
 
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[h1]FBI Picked Up 'Blank' Clinton Email Server, Report Says[/h1]
Hillary Clinton's private email server was turned over to the FBI on Wednesday after news broke that two of the classified emails found on the servers were "Top Secret."

The New York Times reported that Clinton instructed aides to give the FBI the server along with the thumb drive that contained copies of the emails.

Barbara Wells, an attorney for Denver-based computer services firm Platte River Networks, which took control of Clinton's server after their private email network was updated in 2013, told The Washington Post that federal agents picked up the server from a data center in New Jersey on Wednesday.

But Wells told the paper that the server "was blank" and did not contain any useful information.

"The information had been migrated over to a different server for purposes of transition," Wells told the Post. "To my knowledge, the data on the old server is not available now on any servers or devices in Platte River Network's control."

The Justice Department is investigating whether classified information was illegally stored or passed through Clinton's private email server during her correspondences as secretary of state.

In addition to the server, the FBI also got hold of a thumb drive from Clinton's lawyer, David Kendall, which had copies of work emails that were on the server.

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Clinton's campaign sought to downplay the significance of the email controversy.

"Look, this kind of nonsense comes with the territory of running for president," said communications director Jennifer Palmieri, according to Fox News. "We know it, Hillary knows it, and we expect it to continue from now until Election Day."

Meanwhile, Republican lawmakers have contacted Platte River Networks with questions about the measures taken to protect the server it was storing for Clinton.

"Given the server was used to conduct official State Department business, questions have been raised regarding whether classified information was stored on the private server," Wisconsin GOP Sen. Ron Johnson wrote Platte River President Treve Suazo in a letter, according to Fox News.

He said he wants answers within two weeks, including "if that data was secure, who had access to that material and whether all official documents were appropriately preserved" and also whether the company was "authorized to maintain or access classified information."
Let's all be honest... The Clinton's have been breaking the law for years. She's not getting any punishments.
 
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She shouldn't be able to pe eligible for president. Look how they did petraeus in comparison. Shouldn't even be a partisan issue.

One of her minions like Huma may go down. She is teflon. Too many people protecting her.
 
Huma lawyered up for a reason. Clinton is going to make her take the fall for this. She should be doing fed time for the arms deal she made with the Saudis through the Clinton Foundation. When people say she's the lesser of two evils, my head explodes.
 
Yeah. I really doubt i would vote for sanders but i do not find him untrustworthy or shady. I don't trust a word that comes out of Hillary's mouth. At least Bill was personable and persuasive... very charismatic.
 
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There's a better chance of the Knicks winning the NBA Championship in 2016 than a Republican winning the Presidency.
 
Yeah. I really doubt i would vote for sanders but i do not find him untrustworthy or shady. I don't trust a word that comes out of Hillary's mouth. At least Bill was personable and persuasive... very charismatic.
Although she was the brains behind the Clinton presidency, it was Bill's charisma that got them through all of the scandals and why they were able to lie to people's faces even though everyone knew it at the time. I honestly don't see why this hasn't been a bigger issue considering something something more mild took down a president 40 years ago.
 
Hillary Clinton’s five email lies
‘I remember landing under sniper fire.”

“I actually started criticizing the war in Iraq before [Obama] did.”

“We came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt.”

Hillary Clinton’s relationship with the truth has always been one of disdain, as shown by her accounts of landing in Bosnia (she was actually greeted by a child on the tarmac), her policies (she voted for the war in Iraq and only criticized it later, after the winds shifted, and after Obama) and her finances (if owning two multi-million-dollar homes is “dead broke,” then sure).

But the Democratic front-runner has really outdone herself with her varying explanations for her home e-mail server. Here are her five fabrications in the shifting story of why she hid her correspondence from public records and compromised national security.

1. “I thought it would be easier to carry one device for my work.”
Truth: This was Clinton’s excuse on March 10 for why she used a personal e-mail address for official business as secretary of state — so that all her e-mails came to one device. “Looking back, it would have been probably, you know, smarter to have used two devices,” she said.
A couple weeks later, a freedom of information request by the AP discovered that Clinton used multiple electronic devices, including an iPad and a BlackBerry, to send e-mail.

2. “The server contains personal communications from my husband and me.”
Truth: If that’s true, it will come as a surprise to Bill Clinton. “The former president, who does regularly use Twitter, has sent a grand total of two e-mails during his life, both as president,” said his spokesman, Matt McKenna, in an interview published around the same time.

3. “I’ve never had a subpoena…Let’s take a deep breath here.”
Truth: Confronted by CNN’s Brianna Keilar on July 8 about why she had deleted 33,000 e-mails while under investigation, Clinton said it was common practice. Keilar pressed: Even if you’re under subpeona?

Clinton was under subpoena when the question was asked. After requesting Clinton’s e-mails in December 2014, Trey Gowdy (R-SC) got nowhere, so he sent her a subpoena in March. A Clinton lawyer, David Kendall, responded to the subpoena later that month, saying that Hillary Clinton was waiting for approval from the State Department before releasing the e-mails.

Clinton’s people argued she deleted the e-mails before she was under subpoena, so her answer was correct. Except they were deleted in December, when she already knew Congress was interested in them. Before the hard drive was erased, e-mails were handed over to the State Department — but only the ones Clinton’s staff deemed relevant. Since all the rest were deleted, no one else could check their work.

Like so many Clinton statements, while the line may be technically correct, it ignores the spirit of the complaint.

4. “I did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. I’m certainly well aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material.”
Truth: Another claim made during that March 10 press conference that has fallen apart. After taking a random sample of 40 of Clinton’s e-mails, the inspector general for 17 spy agencies told Congress that two contained information deemed “Top Secret.”

Clinton’s camp put out a long technical defense saying that the information wasn’t classified when she received it and that different agencies disagreed over what should be classified. But it begged the question: Why take the risk at all?

After months of resisting, Clinton agreed to hand over her home server to the FBI, though it’s been wiped clean. Experts will try to recover what they can — and if even more surprises await.

5. “Everything I did was permitted. There was no law. There was no regulation. There was nothing that did not give me the full authority to decide how I was going to communicate.”
Truth: As The Washington Post points out, “In 2009, just eight months after Clinton became secretary of state, the US Code of federal regulations on handling electronic records was updated:

‘Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic-mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency record-keeping system.’ The responsibility for making and preserving the records is assigned to ‘the head of each federal agency.’”

“On top of that, when Clinton was secretary, a cable went out under her signature warning employees to ‘avoid conducting official department business from your personal e-mail accounts.’ ”

The State Department requires employees to preserve records, even saying explicitly that on the rare occasion a personal e-mail address is used, those e-mails should be forwarded to the work address for archiving. Clinton never did this.

The Washington Post concludes: “She appears to be arguing her case on narrow, technical grounds, but that’s not the same as actually complying with existing rules as virtually everyone else understood them.”

Can we expect any less of the spouse of the man who argued what “is” is? Columnist Charles Krauthammer said it best when he noted last week, “Nothing she says ever is true three weeks later.”

What will be revealed as a lie next?

http://nypost.com/2015/08/16/hillary-clintons-5-e-mail-lies/
 
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This isn't bringing down Hillary.  Bank on it. 

The Clintons have entirely too much money and their political reach is looooooong.

It'll deter some voters who were going to support her, but overall I don't think this has as big of an impact as some would like.  
 
2008 all over again. Obama has already proven that America does not want Hillary. And it will happen again this cycle. She's a horrible politician, the public doesn't like her or trust her, and her record is spotty at best.

Right now she's like the 2012 Mitt Romney for the Dems.
 
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Only thing Obama proved is that America doesn't want a Republican president

Hilldawg would have washed McCain too

-One of the reasons she is so favored is that their are no other high profile Democratic challengers, the GOP still has to pander to social conservatives, and most importantly electoral math is stack in the Dems favor

Hillary could lose OH and FL and still get to 270. A GOP candiate wouldn't have that luxury.

And people tend to vote for more of the same when things are going good. So unless the economy tanks before the election. She can leverage Obeezy.

All signs are pointing to Hilldawg flourishin :smokin
 
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