***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

Because the GOP will fight both and nail against any policy that helps minorities

And in some cases try to make thing worst for them

White supremacy is part of their platform

They will then blame the Dems for not stopping all their policies

So basically, vote for us because we won't let the other side help you....btw, even if you vote for us we will still **** wit you. You'll just know it is coming

 

[therealrell]

As an oppressed minority, why should I ever consider voting Republican, aka the White Man's Party?

Why would you vote for Democrats when they've done more harm to Black people than the GOP? Liberal welfare policies and requirements to get welfare destroyed the black family. Clinton's tough on crime policies devastated the black community. The only reason he feels bad is because his wife is running for office. Hilldawg is a legitimate criminal and more corrupt than anyone else in the field and you would give your vote to a party that continues to leave us in the dust when election time is over. Got it.

 

[crcballer55]

 
As an oppressed minority, why should I ever consider voting Republican, aka the White Man's Party?

As opposed to the party that's running a white woman and 4 white men with another 2 white men rumored to be in the wings (Gore & Biden)?

Let's look at the Republican field for a second. An Indian-American, 2 Cuban-Americans, African-American, and a woman. 3 who have never held public office. 6 who have been governors, 7 from northern states, 10 from southern states.

Seems like there's a lot more diversity in the Republican field this time around.

 

[essential1]

Oh please.. Stop your lip service about the Democratic party being worse for minorities than the Republicans.

You can say the Democratic Party only cares about the black voter when elections roll around. That's fine. Unless you're old, white and rich, neither party gives a damn about a specific base.

But Republicans don't even care when election time rolls around. They do everything they can to disenfranchise minority vote, and don't even bother to hear their vote, or hear their issues. You think Voter ID laws are for voter fraud, or gerrymandering minority communities together is about fair elections.

And let's not act like there's anything about the Republican Party that is even relatable to minorities. At least voting with the Democratic Party, even if disingenuous, there will be some policies that they will agree with and benefit from in some way.

We need to get to the bottom of any problems of discrimination. But the larger issue here is, how do you react when something is wrong? If you have an unpleasant experience with a plumber, do you go out and declare a war on all plumbers? Or teachers or doctors? Of course not. And it makes no sense to do that with police either.

That's Ben Carson on protests about police brutality.


You got another doofus going around treating people who come here from Mexico like they are carrying the plague.

Carly Fiorina tanked HP, led to massive layoffs, as CEO did a piss poor job, even enraged the founder, was asked to step down got a ton of money in a golden parachute.. That's her money, and that's how it works in a corporation, but that's just funny. But hey, at least she offers her lip service to protests on occasion. If she wants to. Really though I could care less about her views on race just because of how badly she did with HP.


Scott Walker's State of Wisconsin when it comes to worst places for African Americans to live.

So bad it should get ranked twice, the state of Wisconsin incarcerates black people at the highest rate in the country—13 percent. Within the state, 49 percent of black men under 30 have already been incarcerated, mostly because of its mandatory-minimum-sentencing drug laws, overall hostility toward drug users (prison is often preferred over treatment) and “driving while poor,” aka having a suspended license because of unpaid fines. Other problems with Wisconsin include its punitive voter-ID law, which disproportionately affects African Americans, and its education of black kids—boy, is it bad at education.

Chris Christie is hated in his own state. So he's irrelevant in this whole discussion

And let's not forget Rand Paul and his opinions on the Civil Rights Act.


We can go on and on. But this is the party of race baiting on fears that we're losing America, voter ID laws, end of social safety nets, widespread discrimination when it comes to education, the party of police militarization, the party of Drug Wars, and the party that thinks racism is still an isolated thing that isn't apart of the bedrock of America anymore because hey we elected an African American into the White House.

Republicans still think that if only black people just pulled themselves up by the boot straps, and not "look like they were up to no good." They'd be fine. There would be no disparities in employment, no ridiculous justice system, no police brutality. It'd be equal because Free Market.

 

[superblytrife]

 
As an oppressed minority, why should I ever consider voting Republican, aka the White Man's Party?

As opposed to the party that's running a white woman and 4 white men with another 2 white men rumored to be in the wings (Gore & Biden)?

Let's look at the Republican field for a second. An Indian-American, 2 Cuban-Americans, African-American, and a woman. 3 who have never held public office. 6 who have been governors, 7 from northern states, 10 from southern states.

Seems like there's a lot more diversity in the Republican field this time around.

They're diverse because the Republican Party learned after '08 and '12 that they HAVE to pander to minorities and women. There's a reason this field is the most diverse--times are changing and they *may* have learned that they need to adapt or get left behind. And I say *may* because we all know it'll just be surface level pandering. They'll most likely drop the ball again and rely on the white vote.

Oh, and the color of their skin or their background has no bearing on their political stances. All those folks are still clowns. A lot of their policies don't reflect a concern for minorities. And I'm not saying that the Democrats are all lovey-dovey for minorities, either. But you choose the lesser of two evils and it's pretty damn clear who wins that contest.

Btw, calling it the "White Man's Party" has A LOT more to do with policies than the color of the candidates.

 

[essential1]

 
As an oppressed minority, why should I ever consider voting Republican, aka the White Man's Party?

As opposed to the party that's running a white woman and 4 white men with another 2 white men rumored to be in the wings (Gore & Biden)?

Let's look at the Republican field for a second. An Indian-American, 2 Cuban-Americans, African-American, and a woman. 3 who have never held public office. 6 who have been governors, 7 from northern states, 10 from southern states.

Seems like there's a lot more diversity in the Republican field this time around.

They're diverse because the Republican Party learned after '08 and '12 that they HAVE to pander to minorities and women. There's a reason this field is the most diverse--times are changing and they *may* have learned that they need to adapt or get left behind. And I say *may* because we all know it'll just be surface level pandering. They'll most likely drop the ball again and rely on the white vote.

Oh, and the color of their skin or their background has no bearing on their political stances. All those folks are still clowns. A lot of their policies don't reflect a concern for minorities. And I'm not saying that the Democrats are all lovey-dovey for minorities, either. But you choose the lesser of two evils and it's pretty damn clear who wins that contest.

Btw, calling it the "White Man's Party" has A LOT more to do with policies than the color of the candidates.

You're right. Also some of these diversity candidates are in it to just look nice. Carson, Fiorina, Cruz & Jindal have less shot than Martin O'Malley has at beating Hillary. Don't forget Herman Cain for 2012s let's have a black guy run who we know has no chance of winning, just because it will make us look better.

Look at who is leading this race by a LARGE margin, and if it doesn't tell you about the Republican Party, it will tell you about who votes for them.

 

[dathbgboy]

 
As an oppressed minority, why should I ever consider voting Republican, aka the White Man's Party?

As opposed to the party that's running a white woman and 4 white men with another 2 white men rumored to be in the wings (Gore & Biden)?

Let's look at the Republican field for a second. An Indian-American, 2 Cuban-Americans, African-American, and a woman. 3 who have never held public office. 6 who have been governors, 7 from northern states, 10 from southern states.

Seems like there's a lot more diversity in the Republican field this time around.

They're diverse because the Republican Party learned after '08 and '12 that they HAVE to pander to minorities and women. There's a reason this field is the most diverse--times are changing and they *may* have learned that they need to adapt or get left behind. And I say *may* because we all know it'll just be surface level pandering. They'll most likely drop the ball again and rely on the white vote.

Oh, and the color of their skin or their background has no bearing on their political stances. All those folks are still clowns. A lot of their policies don't reflect a concern for minorities. And I'm not saying that the Democrats are all lovey-dovey for minorities, either. But you choose the lesser of two evils and it's pretty damn clear who wins that contest.

Btw, calling it the "White Man's Party" has A LOT more to do with policies than the color of the candidates.

My thoughts exactly. M&Ms have different colors on the outside, but on the inside, they all have the same chocolate. They think that the surface counts,and it doesn't in some aspects. It also doesn't help that their main supporters are bigots, SWS, and WS and that they deflect when it comes to racial inequality and the criminal justice system.

Has anyone asked Trump to speak on those issues yet? He'd be the only one to be honest.

Hillary is teflon, it's nothing new, it'd take a strong stance from the people to force the powers that be to look into this more just to appease the public. Bernie needs to start making a push, no mud slinging but an honest push to gain more votes.

 

[00david00]

I still got a lot more catching up to do but I'm pulling for Bernie over Hilary. From the republican side, looks like I'll give Bush and Christie a shot.

 

[RustyShackleford]

 
As an oppressed minority, why should I ever consider voting Republican, aka the White Man's Party?

As opposed to the party that's running a white woman and 4 white men with another 2 white men rumored to be in the wings (Gore & Biden)?

Let's look at the Republican field for a second. An Indian-American, 2 Cuban-Americans, African-American, and a woman. 3 who have never held public office. 6 who have been governors, 7 from northern states, 10 from southern states.

Seems like there's a lot more diversity in the Republican field this time around.

Lemme tell you, as a minority, stuff like this is insulting, and one of the reason the GOP has such a hard time attracting minorities now.

Black folk aren't stupid. Latino/Hispanics aren't stupid. Women aren't stupid.

They as a whole won't vote for a candidate just because they look like them. Especially if that candidate is against the main policy that demographic is pushing for.

Like one of the 15 GOP candidates is criminal justice reform has part their platform, sensible immigration reform is no where to be found, and some in GOP still tripping over themselves on women issues

The Dem candidates might not have diversity in their skin color, but they do in their policies.

True, the Dems have a sub-par record on following through with their promises, but then again, the GOP is part of that too

Hopefully in the coming years the Republicans realize they need to change their platform and wipe off the all social conservationism and racism it is cover in

 

[tmak15]

Lemme tell you, as a minority, stuff like this is insulting and one of the reason the GOP has such a hard time attracting minorities now.

Black folk aren't stupid. Latino/Hispanics are stupid. Women aren't stupid.

They as a whole won't vote for a candidate just because they look like them. Especially if that candidate is against the main policy that demographic is pushing for.

One what, one of the 15 GOP candidates is criminal justice reform on their platform, sensible immigration reform is no where to be found, and some in GOP still tripping over themselves on women issues

The Dem candidates might not have diversity in their skin color, but they do in their policies.

True, the Dems have a sub-par record on following through with their promises, but then again, the GOP is part of that too

Hopefully in the coming years the Republicans realize they need to change their platform and wipe off the all social conservationism and racism it is cover in

Tell me how you really feel

 

[RustyShackleford]

I was a typo, it is pretty obvious from what came before and after it

If you wanna make it a big deal, then go ahead. But I'm not gonna entertain you

 

[crcballer55]

 

 

 
As an oppressed minority, why should I ever consider voting Republican, aka the White Man's Party?

As opposed to the party that's running a white woman and 4 white men with another 2 white men rumored to be in the wings (Gore & Biden)?

Let's look at the Republican field for a second. An Indian-American, 2 Cuban-Americans, African-American, and a woman. 3 who have never held public office. 6 who have been governors, 7 from northern states, 10 from southern states.

Seems like there's a lot more diversity in the Republican field this time around.

Lemme tell you, as a minority, stuff like this is insulting, and one of the reason the GOP has such a hard time attracting minorities now.

Black folk aren't stupid. Latino/Hispanics aren't stupid. Women aren't stupid.

They as a whole won't vote for a candidate just because they look like them. Especially if that candidate is against the main policy that demographic is pushing for.

Like one of the 15 GOP candidates is criminal justice reform has part their platform, sensible immigration reform is no where to be found, and some in GOP still tripping over themselves on women issues

The Dem candidates might not have diversity in their skin color, but they do in their policies.

True, the Dems have a sub-par record on following through with their promises, but then again, the GOP is part of that too

Hopefully in the coming years the Republicans realize they need to change their platform and wipe off the all social conservationism and racism it is cover in

The Dem candidates might not have diversity in their skin color, but they do in their policies.

Like? You're choice is the flip-flop lier or the Socialist.

What "diversity" is there with the Democrat platform? It's all handouts from someone elses pocket so people voting for them don't have to take responsibility for their own problems. I think we all know that no politician is going to solve our problems. We've spent several TRILLION on the war on poverty and guess what... We're exactly where we were when LBJ started it 50 years ago.

We'll also forget the latest controversy of abortion and that the Democrat party is essentially promoting a genocide of their own future constituents.

We'll also forget about the immigration and trade policies driving wages lower.

We'll forget the world peace platform while funding terrorists and unilaterally bombing other nations (wait... are we still ok to criticize Bush for that one)

We'll forget about promising to make a college education more affordable while lowering interest rates which increases the incentive and ability to borrow more.

We'll forget about funding Wall Street through social programs, pumping up corporate profits (20% higher under Dem. administrations)

If we're talking about policies designed to hurt their own voters while pulling the wool over the eyes of racial minorities by labeling anyone who doesn't agree with those as racist, bigoted, and hateful, then I'll agree, they've done a great job of marginalizing those that dare to disagree and promoting group think.

 

[essential1]

Treating abortion like it's something anybody is gung-ho about is disingenuous. It's a sensitive subject that no one wants, but people understand should be available.

Labeling it genocide is just asinine. It's fine to disagree, and not be for it in your own personal life. But to not recognize that the subject of abortion is a complex and emotional debate is just lack of intellectual honesty.


Also if you discuss abortion, you also have to recognize a majority of this country is pro-choice as opposed to anti-choice in one form or another. Calling someone pro-life would indicate that there is an anti-life position, and that simply is not how the vast majority of the country, and politicians who support abortion in one way or another feel about it.

And even if you are against abortion, only one party is actually at the forefront of providing preventative measures, so there would be less abortions.



We'll forget about dismantling of labor unions, and we'll forget about red-lining which lower wages, and prevent wealth accumulation in cities.

We'll forget about a party that has an even more utopian idea of the world than the "World Peace" platform that assumes that using your might is how to navigate the world. That if Obama just said, we want a better deal from Iran that it would happen. Not noticing that you have to consider geopolitics, ethnic, and religious considerations. I wonder how Isis came about? Somebody not recognizing that we have to consider other regions are not like the U.S.

We'll forget that one party wanted to raise interest rates, which does nothing to changing that you more than likely need AT LEAST a college education to get by in this world. We'll forget that one party's answer to adolescent education, that has a lack of funding is to create competition while taking away public school resources/ funding (mostly from black and brown districts) and wondering why the education system doesn't improve, even when the competition you created didn't make the education system any better either.

So if corporate profits are higher under the Democratic Party, that means the Democratic Party is better for business than Republicans? Thank you. At least you've finally seen the light. One party talks about being pro-business at the expense of people, the other party tries to help the lowest income, and what do you know can still try to without damaging business. Also only one candidate has proposed using Wall Street to fund our education and lessen the burden on today's young adults, and that man isn't a Republican. And only one party has proposed trying to reign in the financial sector, and that party isn't the republican party.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Deleted my entire response after reading Essnetial1's

No way I could to that. Some of his best work since he ran T-Bone off of NT

Waits for Crc to post a bias Forbes article in response

It is shocking dude can see, or believes that minorities just vote for left because "we want welfare"


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-But really, if you think the Dems are losing on the abortion issue. Think again:



http://www.salon.com/2015/08/17/rub...ortion_ban_irrespective_of_the_circumstances/

-And look what happens when in Colorado when the left pass something that works, and saves money, and prevented abortions.

http://denver.suntimes.com/den-news...17196/birth-control-program-blocked-colorado/

-And somehow you think that the racist thing comes outta thin air:


-NT gives money to th Equal Justice Intuitive, a non profit that fights against the harm on of Reagan Era criminal justice policies



Like I always say, the Democrats have been very disappointing. The GOP's record has been disgusting

 

[dipsetgeneral]

Donald really said he wants to build a wall in between USA & Mexico. Haha John Harbaugh agrees too!

 

[nomnom]

Larry Elder wtf u saying

 

[rico x hood]

I see the usual suspects are up to their old tricks again in here. Can we just call this The Official Democrats Thread. Because the discussion is wholly one sided.

The Democratic party is not good for minorities. If you look at many heavy minority areas, their elected officials are usually across the board Dems and many of those areas are in shambles. I've said it before and I'll say it again, one of the biggest things minorities can do to affect change in their communities is to actually put their vote in play and hold these politicians accountable for the promises they make on the campaign trail.

And if I may add one thing, look at what happened in Maryland. A blue state. A black guy, Anthony Brown with ties to Obama, lost the election to a white Republican. I was stunned. Until I saw the voter turnout stats, to of the most heavily populated minority areas (Bmore and PG county) had abysmally low voter turnout. Had it have been better Anthony Brown would be Maryland's Governor. But I guess all those voter ID laws and voter suppression policies enacted by Martin O'Malley kept them all away from.the polls.

 

[rolaholic]

Then in your eyes,what would be a viable alternative for minorities instead of the Democrats cause the GOP has openly not given a rats *** about them forever either . 3rd party? Independents?

 

[rico x hood]

Well I'm a minority and a registered Independent as of February of this year. Just changing my party affiliation has put my vote more in play. The RNC and DNC both send me emails and contact me looking for support for their candidates. And with me being an objective voter I don't just write off one candidate because of their party. And many here I already know, I vote based on my own self interest, so whoever will do the most for me, and not necessarily my demographic will have my support. Minority voters need to stop voting as a monolith and think more what they want for themselves and their families.

Let me ask you all something, if there was a girl you were interested but she kept rejecting you, kept saying other dudes. You buy her gifts, always ask her out on dates. But it never works. At some point you're going to cut your losses and realize it just isn't worth it anymore to go after this girl because she'll never give you a chance.

And that my friends is the relationship between the GOP and blacks.



Martin Luther King and I had very similar views on Dems and Republicans

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/08/28/2540251/martin-luther-king-republican/

 

[rolaholic]

I agree about both parties usually being duplicitous and working mostly for those with power (corporate interests) at the end of the day. It`s just tough that the way the current system is set up,it`s gonna be almost imposible to move away from the 2 party system voting based on the left-right paradigm. Too many people have it ingrained in them to be on one side or the other without much thought no matter what without before doing their homework on both sides and their platforms. Also hurts the cause that 3rd party/independent candidates are usually at a gigantic disadvantage financially when compared to having the full backing/financial means of a party and their donors. It`s not even fair to be honest but that`s just the way it was intended .

Who would`ve thought that of all the mainstream 2016 front runners minus Bern,Trump would be the most vocal about campaign finance reform

 

[Nike Jordan]

Being an independent doesn't necessarily make you a swing voter, it just means that you don't want anything to with the party politics.

 

[essential1]

you don't find it possible that the vast majority of minorities just happen to agree with liberal stances or center left stances on social issues and at worst on economic issues are 50/50.

Nooooo that would be too simple for you.

But I guess they should shop their vote anyway for kicks and giggles? Because why shop your vote when you have 1 of 2 serious choices and Republicans do nothing to get your vote nor would a vote for them be in their best interests.

Perhaps there's not a problem with being a monolith for the Democratic Party and it just so happens that Republicans do not do anything to break that liberal / democrat / minority bond.

I'm a registered independent. So that shows you how much being an independent means.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I was registered an independent for most of my voting life, and I have voted almost exclusively for progressives. If you were break it down it would be like 95% Dems, 5% Indy, 0% GOP

Rico is far right. He guiding light for picking candidates and parties is "how they gonna cut my taxes". Him being a registered independent doesn't make him an more impartial than anyone else

So lets cut that act

Minorities usually vote for liberals and progressives. Which party has almost all of those candidates, the Democrats.

The GOP could court minorities, but that would alienate their base, because many republican voters think all minorities want is "da welfare"

 

[rolaholic]

With the changing demographics in the country,I'm starting to believe that we've seen the last GOP won presidential election in my lifetime unless they have the dramatic change in platform/outreach like they were talking about after 2012 only to end up moving even further to the right not long after

 

[RustyShackleford]

With the changing demographics in the country,I'm starting to believe that we've seen the last GOP won election in my lifetime unless they have a dramatic change in platform like they were talking about after 2012 only to end up going even further to the right

They have too

By 2024-2028 Texas, Arizona and Georgia could be swing states.

And white millennials are more socially liberal than the current base. So I doubt the Tea Party is a long term answer

Unless they drop all the loony stuff. They have to turnup the notch on their voter suppression efforts, or hope something blows up on a President at the right time.