Racist Fraternity at the University of Oklahoma caught on tape.

[hand2handking]

it is absolutely one or the other. they CANNOT punish for speech or racism. this is fact. that would be unconstitutional. so they must be being punished for the disruption bc its illegal to punish someone for speech, so thats the only other option the school has. now if thats the reason, when winston stole those crabs legs or reggie bush accepting money from boosters that makes the school also look bad and disrupts the environment. so they should have gotten expelled too. if u really cant see that, i think ur choosing not to see past ur own biases. and thats understandable

those examples dont satisfy for events affecting every POC on campus.

 

[HankHill]

You can be punished for discrimination.

 

[paliplaya2010]

well thats good for you, but you cant speak for everyone on that campus

like i said, you arent concerned with how the other side feels about it, so long as these two white boys are vindicated 

once again, i do not care for these white boys. i care for the law and my inalienable rights. i am standing for what is right. if u took a second to look at it from an unbias perspective u would see this. it opens a can of worms on censorship in my opinion. if they get away with this, eventually they will get away with censoring what ever they want. as a nation we have to choose what we want, either we have freedom of speech or we dont. we cant place exceptions to the rules (except obvious threats of harm). this punishment was undeserving by legality not morality. im not even white, but once u feel that made a legitimate point u want to undermine it and make it in a race issue when i state several times that im focusing on the legality of the punishment. apologies if i offended u dude, just trying to make u look at it from a different light as i am trying to see it from your point of view.

 

[paliplaya2010]

You can be punished for descrimination.

spoke on this earlier
"for the discrimination issue, they could indeed step in. but those are not the boys to punish. freshman 19 yo have 0 part of that decision making because they themselves were just initiated in the frat. but if they wanted to punish the president or who ever is in charge of the discrimination i can see your point"

so yes those in charge can and should be looked into for discrimination and appropriate action should be taken

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

spoke on this earlier
"for the discrimination issue, they could indeed step in. but those are not the boys to punish. freshman 19 yo have 0 part of that decision making because they themselves were just initiated in the frat. but if they wanted to punish the president or who ever is in charge of the discrimination i can see your point"

so yes those in charge can and should be looked into for discrimination and appropriate action should be taken

How was he a freshman if he was living in the house? The second you're initiated you become a brother you have full priveleges and and voting rights. He would have a say deciding who does and who doesn't not get a bid. They can also hold positions within the house as well.

 

[hand2handking]

once again, i do not care for these white boys. i care for the law and my inalienable rights. i am standing for what is right. if u took a second to look at it from an unbias perspective u would see this. it opens a can of worms on censorship in my opinion. if they get away with this, eventually they will get away with censoring what ever they want. as a nation we have to choose what we want, either we have freedom of speech or we dont. we cant place exceptions to the rules (except obvious threats of harm). this punishment was undeserving by legality not morality. im not even white, but once u feel that made a legitimate point u want to undermine it and make it in a race issue when i state several times that im focusing on the legality of the punishment. apologies if i offended u dude, just trying to make u look at it from a different light as i am trying to see it from your point of view.

i never said you were white 

im challenging you to consider how a POC might feel in light of these events on the campus, and their right to education as well

i cant consider defending racist/hate speech as free speech as anything more than what it is, which is racist

 

[paliplaya2010]

How was he a freshman if he was living in the house? The second you're initiated you become a brother you have full priveleges and and voting rights. He would have a say deciding who does and who doesn't not get a bid. They can also hold positions within the house as well.

i assumed so bc they were both 19. i could be wrong, but its pretty late in the school year most sophomores would have been 20 by now. i have seen nothing that said they lived in the house, only that everyone in that house had to move out. again i could be wrong. but none the less, it has to be proven that they participated in the discrimination, which that videos does not. it shows that i may be occurring but not enough evidence to say for sure. im sure if they keep digging and discrimination was happening (which im sure it prob was) they would find things. but they deserve due process

 

[paliplaya2010]

i never said you were white 

im challenging you to consider how a POC might feel in light of these events on the campus, and their right to education as well

i cant consider defending racist/hate speech as free speech as anything more than what it is, which is racist

yes a poc will feel offended, i share that same sentiment. not once in that video did i feel like they were gonna come lynch me tho. be honest with yourself and im sure u didnt either. being in a racist's presence is def uncomfortable, but unfortunately the constitution doesnt protect your feeling. i explained to my sister who wears a head scarf, i told her that a lot of people feel uncomfortable with her presence (which is completely racist), but who cares. it is not her responsibility to change her beliefs (although its religous and not racist) to comfort other people

 

[fontaine]

Manziel and Winston probably should've been expelled, suspended but they are on the football team

what did they do to warrant expulsionexpulsion, doe?

 

[fontaine]

I'll say this again.. Maybe it will resonate with the recent discussions

"Freedom of speech is NOT freedoms from repercussions"

OU is an institution with bylaws that you have to abide by...

OU is not the government. The government can NOT silence your freedom of speech..

No freedom of speech was violated.

Again, you can say whatever you want. That is freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from the results of that speech

 

[mr s j king]

paliplaya2010 you keep barking up the same tree that African Americans are still trying to chop down.
The tree of RIGHTS.

African Americans have been fighting for our rights in this country for over four hundred years.
Really not interested in hearing about the "rights" of a group that is preparing to "hang'em from a tree".
Should the school wait until they actually attack someone and try to hang a ****** from a tree on campus?

 

[Chopper]

H2HK responding to every other post in a race thread 

 inb4 "What the hell is going on in here?"

/thread

 

[superb]

what did they do to warrant expulsionexpulsion, doe?

So if you express your freedom of speech at your job by saying something racist or other stuff, so you expect to be fired or suspended?

Quit trolling

If I own a business or school I can expel or ban whoever I want from my place or business as long as it don't break your civil or federal rights

 

[paliplaya2010]

I'll say this again.. Maybe it will resonate with the recent discussions

"Freedom of speech is NOT freedoms from repercussions"

OU is an institution with bylaws that you have to abide by...

OU is not the government. The government can NOT silence your freedom of speech..

No freedom of speech was violated.

Again, you can say whatever you want. That is freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from the results of that speech

i agree but only social repercussions of that speech. the government cannot involve itself in those repercussions.

a public institution such as the University of Oklahoma, which takes public money, operates as an arm of the government under the law. under the 1st amendment, you cannot be punished for speech. social backlash by peers, colleagues, private companies, yes i agree. a federal institution does not have this right

 

[paliplaya2010]

So if you express your freedom of speech at your job by saying something racist or other stuff, so you expect to be fired or suspended?

Quit trolling

If I own a business or school I can expel or ban whoever I want from my place or business as long as it don't break your civil or federal rights

thats a private company that has the right to do that

AGAIN

a public institution such as the University of Oklahoma, which takes public money, operates as an arm of the government under the law. under the 1st amendment, you cannot be punished for speech. social backlash by peers, colleagues, private companies, yes i agree. a federal institution does not have this right

 

[hand2handking]

and as a public institution, they have the responsibility of ensuring that the liberty and well-being of their students is not put in peril by other students.

@Chopper  

 

[gamerg]

 

.. 

 

[mr marcus]

Probably is

We got a sws posing as an Arab bringing up jamies ******* winston?

 

[paliplaya2010]

paliplaya2010 you keep barking up the same tree that African Americans are still trying to chop down.
The tree of RIGHTS.

African Americans have been fighting for our rights in this country for over four hundred years.
Really not interested in hearing about the "rights" of a group that is preparing to "hang'em from a tree".
Should the school wait until they actually attack someone and try to hang a ****** from a tree on campus?

but thats just not the right thing to do. u cant take away rights just because they are racist. the school should wait until they threaten to hang them from a tree. the song basically says we dont care what u do to them, however evil and sickening that is, they are not making that threat...

 

[kingkoopa]

thats a private company that has the right to do that

AGAIN

Type of dude that believes everything they mother said.

Just because it's a law doesn't make it right.

 

[paliplaya2010]

Type of dude that believes everything they mother said.

Just because it's a law doesn't make it right.

i agree with you!! i never said it was right. i think its disgusting. but im arguing for the right of freedom of speech being impeded on through the expulsion. i wish some of yall would read the last 2 pages in entirety before judging me. i made pretty valid points.

 

[gamerg]

The irony in all this? Singing about hanging n****** from the tree got them ou boys round the clock police protection yet black people protesting & chanting black lives matter got a lot of people thrown in jail...

It shows who has power.. Marching is no power.. the GOds locked us up.. SAE promotes WS and the Gods Protect THEM. Who are the GODS really For..

GODS = COPS

Why.. Who controls them?

Who can get a paid vacation for murder?

Darren Wilson Daniel Pantaleo.. Gods..

Its sad man.. Black we gotta go for economics so we have power and wealth and influence.

 

[mr marcus]

Even if we achieve economic success in our communities they might burn our **** down like they did with black wallstreet


I don't rock with Christianity these days but we all know what region it was based in and look how they changed the names to english names and push that **** in America. We dealing with some special full of themselves animals

 

[RustyShackleford]

Wait, wait, wait

Lets take a set back from the free speech stuff.

How do know if these kids didn't sign way their right to be punish for such acts? Isn't their a code of conduct you have to agree to o join the university, when you join a frat, and a chapter has to agree to with the university.

Dude is outchea acting like he knows for sure that the Constitution is the only legal document involved in this.

- Plus grade schools are public institutions too but operate under different rules when it comes their students and free speech

The university is not a government agency knocking on Parker Rice's door telling to shut up. They are denying him a public service at a specific location, because of a specific action. He can still transfer and attend any other public university or college in the state.

For exmaple: One time I was in a library in MoCo and they caught a dude looking at porn at the computer stations. He got banned. Months later I saw him up at the community college enjoying Gianna's latest work. His actions got he banned from a pulbic service at one location. Just like what happened to Parker

They wouldn't have pulled the trigger if they didn't feel the had a legal foot to stand on, and with so much private money running through Universities like Oklahoma, it would be pretty disingenuous to act like OU should be looked at like it is the Justice Department or something.

 

[MVP]

It's not a hard concept to grasp. Just because YOU don't feel threatened by those idiots doesn't mean that others actually at OU campus aren't threatened as well or feel safe. I'm almost positive like any other college campus this probably is one of the most egregious acts to come out publicly but if you're a POC that has been to any college campus there's been some inkling of this going on just in concealment.

This may have been the last straw for some students, you can't sit here and say that there hasn't been a hostile tension filed environment created by this incident. That in itself warrants the expulsion. They may not be expelling them for the actual words per se but the actions on campus and resulting bad environment that they've created which is a violation of the code of conduct.

And stop bringing up Winston who was found not to violate the COC in one instance and wasn't punished, and was in another and was suspended, same with Manziel. I'm sure like any other school there's different degrees of punishment based on the severity of the offense. Creating a harsh work environment (harassment) would be akin to this and can lead to your immediate firing where as other offenses have escalating consequences.

They were allowed to say what they said, their freedom of speech was protected, the punishments from the resulting actions of that speech, well that's an entirely different story. Think you should let your lawyer sister have this one Jack McCoy.