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I can post some songs from A$ap that sound east coast
DJ Mustard makes west coast sounding music?
YG? The dude who made My Nuh? That was west coast sounding to you
I'm not talking about how YG looks or even the subject matter. I'm talking about his music. From the lyrics, hook/chorus to the production. Mustard's production is 808 driven, which is why so many south artist use him. Like Tyga's Rack City, that's not a west coast song, even though they're both from the west coast.
when will this topic stop coming up... No region is going to consistently dominate rap EVER again, the hottest cat in rap is from ****** Canada. the The Rest of the A-B grade rappers Future (ATL), Kendrick (Cali), Cole(NC), Asap Rocky (NYC), Wale (DC), Meek(PHI) Big Sean (DET), Fetty (NJ), Wiz (Pit)
none of these cats i just named really have a sound distinctive with the region there from (except maybe future).... Quality wise NY may not have as much talent showcased in the mainstream, but there are cats cultivating quality music slowly building a buzz. if your definition of NYC coming back is expecting a sound or lyrical skill similar to Nas, Jay, Big etc etc then you have already set yourself up to be disappointed. your asking people to live up to unreal expectations.
as far as NYC not being remembered in Hip Hop, there is no way possible that happens, because the artist that we have produced are too monumental to the culture to not shine light on the city. NYC despite how much the landscape of the city has changed is still a breeding ground for culture & art, the style & direction may have changed but in the hierarchy of Hip Hop culture this city will forever remain important.
It's not even a popularity thing, it's overall TALENT.
For the first time in the history of hip-hop NY is unable to compete because we simply don't have enough worthy talent.
From top to bottom, artists born in the 80s or better the east is behind all other regions but we have 3x as many people. That's a cause for concern. NY artist want to be from Houston, Houston Ns don't wanna be from NY.
And every region has stars and role players. You have Kendrick but you also have a DUBB, Skeme, Problem and Cozz. You have Future but you also have Gunplay, Young Dolph, and Kevin Gates. You have Big Sean but you also have a Dej Loaf, Machine Gun Kelly, Freddie Gibbs, then there's a whole movement of its own in Chicago with its own stars and role players. We stopped producing hometown heroes. If you go to any city they have LEGENDS that never broke regionally, and it's not because they failed to do so, they just understood their base and capitalized on it.
Troy Ave is not loved in NY how King Louie is loved in Chicago. Sales wise Joey, and Rocky are the most popular but neither of those 2 have LOVE in their city the way LA loves Dom or Nipsey. NY is not the reason A$AP Mob and Pro Era have been successful. Other regions love the music coming from their area, it speaks for them, that's not the case here.
As mentioned before, Fab has been the only one expanding on our sound meanwhile making a brand that's still universal. But at the end of the day, while he has a fan base nationwide he's more or less local. He's a factor to us cause we live here, people other places prolly don't care as much, if he wasn't on a major it would be fine, but the fact that he is, is more reason for concern.
I don't see it getting better for NY ever again honestly. If gangbangin disappeared from LA just look at all the poppin artists out there now, and eliminate all those with a gang element to their music. NY no longer has the culture to embrace, blacks are being moved out this city, coffee shops and bike racks aren't gonna be the means for inspiration. In 20 years the majority of black and brown people will no longer live in this city.
We're gonna tell our kids stories about NY rap, it will be extinct. I'm watching my city be bleached with each passing year, NY is so rich in black history, it's goin away. The projects will be gone, maybe my way of thinking is what's holding us back, but the fact remains, the poverty and desperation is what this culture was built upon, the projects produced some of the generes greatest artists and entrepreneurs (nationwide), that will be gone from the birthplace.
I don't see what will happen that could make NYC more relevant than the west, south or Midwest ever again. It's more than likely OVER for us. NY is too hard headed. We don't realize how dire **** is.
OP touched on it but I agree with you and I'd say it's more than 30% of the problem. This is the crux of the issue. There's nothing wrong with New York rappers (skill wise...subject matter is another issue). You can still find the average kid on the corner who can give you 16 bars. But lyricism has moved to the rear and musicality has moved to the forefront, obviously starting with production. No one wants to hear your music if the production isn't relevant and fresh sounding. There are very few East Coast producers who are exciting now. And even beyond this, the traditional New York boom bap sound is antiquated. No one wants to hear beats that sound like they were made on a casio my first keyboard when dudes are making beats that are way broader and more dynamic on their computers. Someone has to come along and redefine the New York sound. You look at a dude like Harry Fraud and he has the right idea. New York has a rich and diverse musical history. Dudes need to get back on their grind and bring the music to the forefront. Peace to the boom bap movement but its done, we gotta move on.New York hip hop lost, because it's more about it no longer being great New York producers. Either doing street or club music.
You had people like RZA, Eric Sermon and The Beatminerz, DITC, Large Pro, Pete Rock and The Hitmen who gave New York a sound. It was as much about the producers as it was the rappers.
And I hate people saying the south won, when we're losing for it.
But hey, maybe you want 15 year olds to be influenced to do lean.
How isn't it important?
I bet it matters to Atlanta, Houston, LA, Chicago and Detroit that's why they support their own as well as others.
Hip Hop is like congress, artists are our representatives. I never been to New Orleans but hearing No Limit and Cash Money painted me a picture. Before I went to LA, Death Row, Cube and them have us a the visual.
We (NY) have no voice, hip-hop is our African drum, it's how we communicate from city to city.
I think more NYs are going with the regional **** ain't important soley because we're so irrelevant. If we had a movement like TDE I doubt this would be the narrative. We'd be waving the flag loud and proud as we have always done until a few years ago when we more or less took our ball and went home.
It's not even a popularity thing, it's overall TALENT.
For the first time in the history of hip-hop NY is unable to compete because we simply don't have enough worthy talent.
From top to bottom, artists born in the 80s or better the east is behind all other regions but we have 3x as many people. That's a cause for concern. NY artist want to be from Houston, Houston Ns don't wanna be from NY.
And every region has stars and role players. You have Kendrick but you also have a DUBB, Skeme, Problem and Cozz. You have Future but you also have Gunplay, Young Dolph, and Kevin Gates. You have Big Sean but you also have a Dej Loaf, Machine Gun Kelly, Freddie Gibbs, then there's a whole movement of its own in Chicago with its own stars and role players. We stopped producing hometown heroes. If you go to any city they have LEGENDS that never broke regionally, and it's not because they failed to do so, they just understood their base and capitalized on it.
Troy Ave is not loved in NY how King Louie is loved in Chicago. Sales wise Joey, and Rocky are the most popular but neither of those 2 have LOVE in their city the way LA loves Dom or Nipsey. NY is not the reason A$AP Mob and Pro Era have been successful. Other regions love the music coming from their area, it speaks for them, that's not the case here.
As mentioned before, Fab has been the only one expanding on our sound meanwhile making a brand that's still universal. But at the end of the day, while he has a fan base nationwide he's more or less local. He's a factor to us cause we live here, people other places prolly don't care as much, if he wasn't on a major it would be fine, but the fact that he is, is more reason for concern.
I don't see it getting better for NY ever again honestly. If gangbangin disappeared from LA just look at all the poppin artists out there now, and eliminate all those with a gang element to their music. NY no longer has the culture to embrace, blacks are being moved out this city, coffee shops and bike racks aren't gonna be the means for inspiration. In 20 years the majority of black and brown people will no longer live in this city.
We're gonna tell our kids stories about NY rap, it will be extinct. I'm watching my city be bleached with each passing year, NY is so rich in black history, it's goin away. The projects will be gone, maybe my way of thinking is what's holding us back, but the fact remains, the poverty and desperation is what this culture was built upon, the projects produced some of the generes greatest artists and entrepreneurs (nationwide), that will be gone from the birthplace.
I don't see what will happen that could make NYC more relevant than the west, south or Midwest ever again. It's more than likely OVER for us. NY is too hard headed. We don't realize how dire **** is.
How isn't it important?
I bet it matters to Atlanta, Houston, LA, Chicago and Detroit that's why they support their own as well as others.
Hip Hop is like congress, artists are our representatives. I never been to New Orleans but hearing No Limit and Cash Money painted me a picture. Before I went to LA, Death Row, Cube and them have us a the visual.
We (NY) have no voice, hip-hop is our African drum, it's how we communicate from city to city.
I think more NYs are going with the regional **** ain't important soley because we're so irrelevant. If we had a movement like TDE I doubt this would be the narrative. We'd be waving the flag loud and proud as we have always done until a few years ago when we more or less took our ball and went home.
How isn't it important?
I bet it matters to Atlanta, Houston, LA, Chicago and Detroit that's why they support their own as well as others.
Hip Hop is like congress, artists are our representatives. I never been to New Orleans but hearing No Limit and Cash Money painted me a picture. Before I went to LA, Death Row, Cube and them have us a the visual.
We (NY) have no voice, hip-hop is our African drum, it's how we communicate from city to city.
I think more NYs are going with the regional **** ain't important soley because we're so irrelevant. If we had a movement like TDE I doubt this would be the narrative. We'd be waving the flag loud and proud as we have always done until a few years ago when we more or less took our ball and went home.
The only people who worry about the state of NY Hip Hop are people outside NY. As an older cat, i dont even care. What has been established is enough for me survive without new material. The ones that repped the city the hardest made timeless music.
The only people who worry about the state of NY Hip Hop are people outside NY.
This has always perplexed me as well.I don't understand why for most hip-hop fans their basis of anything successful is correlated to sales or how the masses respond to the art put out.