Just to be clear, I've never entered the J Cole thread or posted in there once. I'm not attacking the fans, I'm just sharing my opinion of him.
Is Cole the Leader of the New School?
Kendrick is so far ahead in my, and a lot of knowledgeable dude's opinions it's crazy. Kid is a real artist and he knows exactly who he is.
Cats just be all over the place when it come to certain acts.
That's because Cole takes himself so seriously. He talks about how great he is/how great he's gonna be/take over the game, blah, blah all the damn time.
Only dudes I want to hear saying that #%+# is Jay and 'Ye, cause guess what? They've earned it and it seems real when they talk it.
He's not a singer like Drake. If you're a lyracist and you're gonna make those claims time after time, you better back them up.
He needs to stop telling us how great he is and just show us.
The fact that "Beautiful Bliss" is so hot makes it worse.
If he ever comes out w/ a truly near classic (I mean real, not hailed by his own fans), I wouldn't be surprised - he has the talent.
Just show us and don't tell us.
That's all I ask.
P.S.: And I'm a Duke fan, so I'm partial on the Battier line.
How you gonna call one of the realest men in the L a lame, though?
Kendrick is so far ahead in my, and a lot of knowledgeable dude's opinions it's crazy. Kid is a real artist and he knows exactly who he is.
Cats just be all over the place when it come to certain acts.
That's because Cole takes himself so seriously. He talks about how great he is/how great he's gonna be/take over the game, blah, blah all the damn time.
Only dudes I want to hear saying that #%+# is Jay and 'Ye, cause guess what? They've earned it and it seems real when they talk it.
He's not a singer like Drake. If you're a lyracist and you're gonna make those claims time after time, you better back them up.
He needs to stop telling us how great he is and just show us.
The fact that "Beautiful Bliss" is so hot makes it worse.
If he ever comes out w/ a truly near classic (I mean real, not hailed by his own fans), I wouldn't be surprised - he has the talent.
Just show us and don't tell us.
That's all I ask.
P.S.: And I'm a Duke fan, so I'm partial on the Battier line.
How you gonna call one of the realest men in the L a lame, though?
On Kendrick Lamar. Thats your opinion. But where is your evidence? What are you basing this on? What are you discrediting Cole for? Finally Its not really a big deal to me who the "leader of the new school" is.
But to address a couple of your comments:
Kendrick Lamar aint even hit the main scene yet so how the fugg is he leading anything? You know how much isssh he is gonna have to change to be heard, to create a larger following?? Come back to me in a year or two and tell me if he is doing some things u aint pleased with if he gets any more known bruh.
Cole's music has been true to himself from the jump! His fans are pleased with the album and he didnt stray away from his core at all. He is also still growing, arent new artists allowed to do that?
And Cole keep saying he great?!? Who doesnt say they are great?!? How is he not backing it up? Out sold all the newcomers except Drake with a rap album that he almost entirely produced, which so happen to be his best collection of work to date..IMO. Not to mention the album is better than the majority of his counterparts debuts. So quality and quantity, thats two checks. Charisma he may be lacking to you, but erybody aint on that back to Africa and im rocking naappy hair isssh Lamar be talking bout either!
What do u mean he doesnt know who he is? Ive seen this comment in regards to him too many times and I just dont get what u guys are looking at, or want the dude to do or be. Thats like the most bs statement ever fam....like what are yall talking bout?
People either hypocritical of one rapper or ignoring the #$%# out of ery other rapper. I know Cole got real stans and then ppl like Cole World 22 aka ___ frontin for lulz...but the scrunity he gets is od if u ask me. But i understand if u and others feel like he get more praise than he deserves on this message board, but in real life I dont think its that kinda deal where erybody on dude jock crowing him the next king.
and Tar Heels > Duke
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
Yo Ace on some real +@%, some of these cats is either fickle or hypocritical when it comes to hip-hop. These same dudes sit here and post screwfaces over Em's cypher with all them multisyllablezzz about elbowing rappers in the penis and being Superman eating rat poison but when they hear a raw, real story about a rapper on the come-up they say he ain't saying nothing or he ain't lyrical? These dudes ain't even know what they want from their music
Naw, dudes on here with they whiny $%@$@, wondering where hip-hop went and how the game is messed up yet they co-signing Eminem %%+ and postingand "Slim Shady back!" Son, that %%+ was hot in elementary school, how you still get excited about I liked that verse though. One of the better ones out IMO.im sayin!!! cats be having me tripped out on here!
Naw they rather get excited about rappers who rap about duct taping and Velcroing a fetus because it rhymesSon that Slim Shady %$%+ was hot in elementary school when dudes was still prepping for Y2K, how you still think that's hot in 2011? Rakim uses internal rhymes too, you hear HIM saying that %*%+?
Meanwhile Cole giving you his story and that non-gimmick, real %%++ and fools on here is giving you the stoneface? Yeah they right, hip-hop is in the crapper, and NT dudes on here is supporting itI ain't even hating on what they like, if they like it all the power to them, but they damn inconsistent with what they think is hot and what isn't. In one post it's subject matter, in another it's rhymes about squigees and acid. Ok.
Play for Duke.. the hate is warranted for NC heads like Cole lol
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
Yo Ace on some real +@%, some of these cats is either fickle or hypocritical when it comes to hip-hop. These same dudes sit here and post screwfaces over Em's cypher with all them multisyllablezzz about elbowing rappers in the penis and being Superman eating rat poison but when they hear a raw, real story about a rapper on the come-up they say he ain't saying nothing or he ain't lyrical? These dudes ain't even know what they want from their music
Naw, dudes on here with they whiny $%@$@, wondering where hip-hop went and how the game is messed up yet they co-signing Eminem %%+ and postingand "Slim Shady back!" Son, that %%+ was hot in elementary school, how you still get excited about I liked that verse though. One of the better ones out IMO.im sayin!!! cats be having me tripped out on here!
Naw they rather get excited about rappers who rap about duct taping and Velcroing a fetus because it rhymesSon that Slim Shady %$%+ was hot in elementary school when dudes was still prepping for Y2K, how you still think that's hot in 2011? Rakim uses internal rhymes too, you hear HIM saying that %*%+?
Meanwhile Cole giving you his story and that non-gimmick, real %%++ and fools on here is giving you the stoneface? Yeah they right, hip-hop is in the crapper, and NT dudes on here is supporting itI ain't even hating on what they like, if they like it all the power to them, but they damn inconsistent with what they think is hot and what isn't. In one post it's subject matter, in another it's rhymes about squigees and acid. Ok.
Depends what we're comparing it to.
Originally Posted by Essential1
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein
im sayin!!! cats be having me tripped out on here!
Naw they rather get excited about rappers who rap about duct taping and Velcroing a fetus because it rhymesSon that Slim Shady %$%+ was hot in elementary school when dudes was still prepping for Y2K, how you still think that's hot in 2011? Rakim uses internal rhymes too, you hear HIM saying that %*%+?
Meanwhile Cole giving you his story and that non-gimmick, real %%++ and fools on here is giving you the stoneface? Yeah they right, hip-hop is in the crapper, and NT dudes on here is supporting itI ain't even hating on what they like, if they like it all the power to them, but they damn inconsistent with what they think is hot and what isn't. In one post it's subject matter, in another it's rhymes about squigees and acid. Ok.
It is about the art of it... All paintings are art... Just as all hip hop is hip hop... And there are different techniques, different subject matters between artists, and different ways to communicate their message...J. Cole's subject matter is way more relate-able.. Obviously...But as a craft what Eminem did in that cypher CANNOT BE duplicated...
I started to grow sour on Eminem when Relapse came out for the same reasons you state... But as I listened more throughout his discography.. I began seeing the art of what Eminem does.. And it is about the technique... And technique is what hip hop is all about..
Denying the genius of that cypher, and at the same time bigging up that J. Cole verse is pretty idiotic.. And then going on a weird rant about how hip hop is in the crapper... You were not listening to that verse..
Hip Hop would survive without the bull %@#! of what you guys arguing about real hip hop... It is not about the subject matter, nor the technique.. Because both are included in what is the major part of what makes hip hop, hip hop.. And that is the artist's genuine love for the art, and putting their soul in the confines of the instrumental..
Just for the record, While J. Cole's material tends to be more re-lateable.. There is really nothing re-lateable at all with this verse...
Can't leave Kanye out of any of your arguments eh?Originally Posted by Cole World 22
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight
Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein
im sayin!!! cats be having me tripped out on here!
Naw they rather get excited about rappers who rap about duct taping and Velcroing a fetus because it rhymesSon that Slim Shady %$%+ was hot in elementary school when dudes was still prepping for Y2K, how you still think that's hot in 2011? Rakim uses internal rhymes too, you hear HIM saying that %*%+?
Meanwhile Cole giving you his story and that non-gimmick, real %%++ and fools on here is giving you the stoneface? Yeah they right, hip-hop is in the crapper, and NT dudes on here is supporting itI ain't even hating on what they like, if they like it all the power to them, but they damn inconsistent with what they think is hot and what isn't. In one post it's subject matter, in another it's rhymes about squigees and acid. Ok.
If you listen to his freestyle on Grammy Family... +$+@ is "Beautiful Bliss" on steroids. But since the flow isn't as demanding as "Beautiful Bliss." y'all overlook it and say it's boring.
