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It has to be a SF/Oakland thing because asians and black people get along well here in NYC
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Originally Posted by SaintVitus07
I am white, went to a good liberal arts college, had some cool/good jobs and I've been looking for a new, decent one for a while now. This economy has me HEATED, because I am competing with a bazillion other peoples for every job I apply to now. I am also fortunate enough to have a supportive family and dad who looks out for me in tough times. I can't even imagine what it would be like to not have that support. Lots of people don't have that support system and they're left in the gutter with no education and a need to hustle just to get by. It's believable that these dudes were extremely frustrated, drunk/intoxicated in some way, and felt like they had nothing to lose so they take it out on undeserving people. I never thought this was race related. Desperation, stupidity and extreme anger/frustration are not a good combo.
THISOriginally Posted by pikeDT
I am sure Asians do get down, but the way these past couple threads made it seem was that Asians are completely innocent, harmless victims in all cases (obviously they were in this murder), so dont play both cards... Also, as the articles have stated these punks beat up an older BLACK man too, so it just isnt Asians who get messed with.
Originally Posted by pikeDT
I am sure Asians do get down, but the way these past couple threads made it seem was that Asians are completely innocent, harmless victims in all cases (obviously they were in this murder), so dont play both cards... Also, as the articles have stated these punks beat up an older BLACK man too, so it just isnt Asians who get messed with.
Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams
Family upbringing, education, and even economics have a lot to do with the "racist" views that people have. This applies to both Blacks and Asians. I don't believe people are born racists.
I do feel sorry for them. Lack of a proper family upbringing, lack of education (school is the best opportunity for students of all races to work with each other), and lack of economics (probably the main reason why the family upbringing was poor and why education was not stressed) are the main factors to why racist people become racists in the first place. If you even had just one of the factors mentioned in your life and especially good economics, race would not even be an issue in your life. Too busy trying to get that money and forgetting about ignorant things like judging people by their race.Originally Posted by FromThaTown
Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams
Family upbringing, education, and even economics have a lot to do with the "racist" views that people have. This applies to both Blacks and Asians. I don't believe people are born racists.
But they're racist though right? If a person is racist, are you gonna feel sorry for them, and blame it on their family upbringing, or lack of education, or economics? I don't think so. I know nobody said we should feel sorry for the perpetrators in this heinous act, but it almost sounds like an excuse or reason why these people did this. And for some people in the other thread, to say that Asians are not targets, is just BS. If it's not this incident where Asians are targeted, that doesn't mean Asians are not targets. I've seen this classless act countless times, and everytime it was provoked by an ignorant Black person. I read your original post, on how Blacks, and Asians shouldn't have a problem with each other, and it's true, we shouldn't. But most of the time, where I've seen fights between Asians and Blacks, it's because the Black person provoked it by making racist remarks, or picking on an Asian that he has no business picking on, at least all of my confrontations were. And you know what kind of animosity and hate this can breed in an Asian person overtime? I know the hate didn't eat away at me, but for some Asians, it's a reality that Black people are bad people. And I really can't blame him, because if someone took my dad away from my life like this incident. It wouldn't matter what color they are, but I would definitely have something or be cautious against that particular race.
Just as there are a ton of ignorant, classless Asians...Telling me don't put Asians in a box, don't put Blacks in a box - I am a black man who lived in Oakland and now at Cal I don't mess with any Asians, or any other race. Maybe I am sick of Asians harassing/being rude to me, but I don't blame a whole group of people. If Asians are as strong and prideful as you stand up for yourself against Blacks, Whites, Browns etc, thats what I would do.Originally Posted by FromThaTown
Originally Posted by pikeDT
I am sure Asians do get down, but the way these past couple threads made it seem was that Asians are completely innocent, harmless victims in all cases (obviously they were in this murder), so dont play both cards... Also, as the articles have stated these punks beat up an older BLACK man too, so it just isnt Asians who get messed with.
Well in that last thread, I didn't see it where it said Asians are completely innocent, or harmless. How come we can't play both cards? That doesn't make sense. All people can play both cards, so don't try to put Asians in one box. It shows that you don't know what you're talking about. THAT is the problem with ignorant classless Blacks in the hood. The ones that focus on one stereotype of Asians. That's why Asians are a target. They think that an Asian dude is an easy target because he's a nerd, or smart, and won't engage in a fight. You think all of a sudden, Black folks are knocking out Asian nerds on the bus or while they're walking, without preconceive notions of Asians from when they saw in grade school or high school? The ignorant Blacks that do these type of activities definitely are racist in my eyes. I was tested many of times in Oakland because I didn't sag my pants, or was rocking clothes that people would deem "tough". But I never had no problem standing up for myself, and for other Asians that had to deal with the racist BS that does go on in Oakland, and I'm pretty sure other place. You can blame it on lack of family, or economic background, but I blame it on the racist point of view, that some ignorant Blacks have of Asians.
If Asians are as strong or prideful?? Pleeeeease, we are strong and prideful, and we stand up for ourselves. I don't need no life coaching lesson from you about how I should stand up for myself. Give me some examples of Asians harassing Black people in Oakland to the level of this baffoonery. Where are the tons of ignorant, classless Asians going around jumping Black elderly people. I've never seen or heard of such an act in my life, and I've lived here for 20 years, you're reaching. You know Asians are a minority in Oakland. What benefit would it be for Asians to go start problems with the majority of the population. You may be going to Cal, but you sure as hell ain't making sense.Originally Posted by pikeDT
Just as there are a ton of ignorant, classless Asians...Telling me don't put Asians in a box, don't put Blacks in a box - I am a black man who lived in Oakland and now at Cal I don't mess with any Asians, or any other race. Maybe I am sick of Asians harassing/being rude to me, but I don't blame a whole group of people. If Asians are as strong and prideful as you stand up for yourself against Blacks, Whites, Browns etc, thats what I would do.Originally Posted by FromThaTown
Originally Posted by pikeDT
I am sure Asians do get down, but the way these past couple threads made it seem was that Asians are completely innocent, harmless victims in all cases (obviously they were in this murder), so dont play both cards... Also, as the articles have stated these punks beat up an older BLACK man too, so it just isnt Asians who get messed with.
Well in that last thread, I didn't see it where it said Asians are completely innocent, or harmless. How come we can't play both cards? That doesn't make sense. All people can play both cards, so don't try to put Asians in one box. It shows that you don't know what you're talking about. THAT is the problem with ignorant classless Blacks in the hood. The ones that focus on one stereotype of Asians. That's why Asians are a target. They think that an Asian dude is an easy target because he's a nerd, or smart, and won't engage in a fight. You think all of a sudden, Black folks are knocking out Asian nerds on the bus or while they're walking, without preconceive notions of Asians from when they saw in grade school or high school? The ignorant Blacks that do these type of activities definitely are racist in my eyes. I was tested many of times in Oakland because I didn't sag my pants, or was rocking clothes that people would deem "tough". But I never had no problem standing up for myself, and for other Asians that had to deal with the racist BS that does go on in Oakland, and I'm pretty sure other place. You can blame it on lack of family, or economic background, but I blame it on the racist point of view, that some ignorant Blacks have of Asians.
I was going to write a long statement, but this pretty much sums up how I feel.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Racial tensions aside put these guys away for life. I have a no tolerance policy for such cowardly acts.
Originally Posted by SIRIUS LEE HANDSOME
Just because the police say it wasn't race-related hate crime doesn't mean it wasn't.
In fact, I'd be inclined to say that police sometimes downplay a crime like this to avoid any further upheaval.