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Ahh the good ol fashion I only look at stats argument. Calvin might be puttin up yardage this season, but its far from his most consistent season. Hes third in the league with 8 dropped passes this season. Hes obviously better than Andre now, but Andre in his prime was better than Calvin is right now. Thats not to say Calvin wont get better.
Is it the stats that make the final decision?
Pretty much in this case. Stats aren't everything but when you are so far ahead in many categories it typically locks it down.
Still, you could say Jim Brown, etc are "GOAT"
But in Rice's case these are some of his leader lists:
Receptions, Career
1,549 - Jerry Rice
1,222 - Tony Gonzalez
1,102 - Marvin Harrison
Receiving Yards, Career
22,895 - Jerry Rice
15,934 - Terrell Owens
15,208 - Isaac Bruce
Receiving Touchdowns, Career
197 - Jerry Rice
155 - Randy Moss
153 - Terrell Owens
Post Season Receiving Yards, Career
2,245 - Jerry Rice
1,315 - Michael Irvin
1,289 - Cliff Branch
Post Season Receiving Touchdowns, Career
22 - Jerry Rice
12 - John Stallworth
10 - 4 others
Post Season Receptions, Career
151 - Jerry Rice
88 - Hines Ward
87 - Michael Irvin
This is why I kinda made the thread. Yesterday Fitzgerald had 1 reception for 2 yards. Should we base how talented he is by that?
I've got a better understanding of Rice now but I just wanted to see if stats were the outweighing factor that determined he was the GOAT cause again I haven't seen him play in his prime. I guess I can see why stats matter in Rice's case because they are just that damn impressive.
But I will still wonder if other names could have done the same if put in Rices situation with Montana, Young, and Gannon as your QB's. Rice is a lucky man for th chips to fall like that. That doesn't mean I'm not disputing Rice being the GOAT. I feel that I'm not in the position to take a stance on that, I can only go by what I have seen. Although... I know hypotheticals don't mean **** but you've gotta wonder what Moss's numbers would have looked like if he was in a similar situation as Rice and had Brady as his QB since 2000. But obviously we're not going to use a hypothetical as an argument. That's why I wanted to know if Jerry being the GOAT meant he really was the most talented or just very talented with the best numbers beause IMO in football stats don't tell the whole story especially at WR when you look at Fitzgeralds situation.
One time for Steve Largent.
Ok, addressing your first statement, you becoming the judge Fitzgerald by that one game. He has a terrible QB situation. Consistently gine him having the Kurt Warner from the Rams, then he would do damage. Yes, Rice had HOF QB's, which played a part, but still he was better than his peers. And WR comp was way better than it is now. Randy Moss could have those numbers, at one point, he was on pace to catch him, but what caught up to him? his attitude. You might be too young to remember this, but the 1998 Vikings scored 556 points, the most by any team in NFL history in a regular season. To put it in even further persperctive, he played with Chris Carter, who in my mind is a top 10 WR of all time (or even better) and he still was getting busy.So points were to be had in Minnesota. He had Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper as his QB's, not too bad of selections to at least get him the ball. Then you saw what Moss had with Brady. Imagine if he played longer in NE and kept up that pace? He can obviously still play, but his attitude got him booted from New England as well. You see the same thing with TO When you look at it that way, being the GOAT also means having a good attitude in addition to putting up numbers.
I think dude really meant more along the lines of physical specimen when he said workout warrior. No one doubts his work ethic, **** was legendary
5th... You forgot Don Hutson.I have him 4th behind JenningS, Nelson and Cobb.I personally have him 3rd behind Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson
Rice is "better" but Moss is definitely more talented.
Rice had the better work ethic, route running, and consistency. The consummate professional. And playing with two first ballot Hall of Famers at QB for majority of his career didn't hurt.
Moss faster, better hands, freakish athletically. It's no coincidence two of the highest scoring offenses of all time featured Randy Moss (07 Pats, 98 Vikings). If he had the right attitude and longevity I think he could have easily broken Rice's records.
Not sure about the easily part but definitely would've had a look at it. But he didn't and Rice is the freakin man.
exactly my take on him is kinda like mj.... are there players that can do some aspects of tthe game better then them sure... is there athletes/players that was more physically gifted... more talented as far as certain aspects skills of their respective sport.....sure. But the BIG picture when you culminate all avenues/skill set/athletism/knowledge and fundamentals of the game none has done it better.Definitely still the greatest. His game was flawless. His work ethic is what set him apart. His routes were textbook and masterful. He had very good hands and above average athleticism that was supplemented greatly because of how precise his game and route running was. And after all this, he was still one of the smartest football players around. He just knew the game. How it worked and how others worked to use it all to his advantage. Add it all up and it was near impossible to pinpoint a weakness.
Jerry Rice also never played @ that 4.6 speed. And as we all know by now, 40 speeds can be doctored a bit w/ improved form & practice
Amen. TO is currently the 2nd best WR to ever lace them up IMHO.