Wrestling Thread Aug 12-25 | 8/19 RAW -SS Fallout- Bryan d Cena, Orton Corp Champ, Brock Kills Punk

I thought the ending segment was solid. Really bring down D-Bry. I can see it now, the "WWE Universe" is going to ERUPT once he gets the gold back
 
All right, settle in guys, because this might be long.

What we saw last night was the culmination of two VERY long stories. One is about Triple H, and the other is about what I have termed the "Developmental Six". We'll talk about the latter first. Context is important. Last night you saw Orton, Punk, Lesnar, Cena and Bryan all front and center in the second biggest PPV of the year. But what's important about that? Well, the first four all came from the same place - OVW. This was to be the breeding ground of WWE's future, and they were the top alums. Back then WWE Creative was a melting pot. Brock Lesnar and CM Punk were Heyman's picks. Randy Orton, and Batista, were Triple H's. John Cena was no one's. A long time ago a dirtsheet came out saying Vince McMahon held a meeting about "the guy" and Cena came up to him afterwards and flat out stated he was the man. Cena was then molded into the company standard, under Vince's watchful eye, in the same vein as Hulk Hogan.

But Matrix, there's a whole lot of flaws with that story. Brock Lesnar was supposed to be the man. He had a video game and everything. Sure he did. But who's man was he? And where was Heyman by 2004? The year this game came out?



Oh. Wait. That isn't Lesnar. That's John Cena and ******g Randy Orton. Development and creative direction for this game would have been started in 2003 - well before Brock Lesnar finally imploded on himself. Orton was, if you remember, Triple H's pick. That's important and we'll get to that later.

While the Lesnar experiment fell apart, Heyman still had a young CM Punk, signed to a developmental deal and eventually in OVW by 2005. Punk was going to be Paul Heyman's revenge. Through sheer tenacity, Heyman secured Punk his own name and gimmick, and pushed him through to the big leagues before Heyman was finally excommunicated. The damage had already been done, though, as a rogue element from the indies was upsetting the balance Vince McMahon had carefully planned. This of course culminated in a fan-pushed CM Punk unseating John Cena at Money In the Bank 2011 to much acclaim. But this was actually just a precursor to what was eventually going to happen last night.

CM Punk was a pawn. He always was, he just didn't know it. Punk leading the Nexus? All part of the plan. Punk defeating John Cena? Part of the plan. Punk getting derailed by Triple H? Part of the plan.
 
Randy Orton: "He's a millionaire. He's the WWE Champ" :lol:

This feud has Corporate Rock and Mankind written all over it :smokin
 
Let's flash back to 2004. Evolution was a mystery back then. Triple H took a young Randy Orton and Batista under his wing and personally grew them into main eventers. Triple H WANTED them to become their own people. Batista was lead to believe he was in the same league as Cena and Orton, but of course this was a lie. That's why he's the only one of the Developmental Six still not present, though he'll show up soon enough.

Randy Orton was Triple H's pick from the beginning. Yes, it looked like Orton was ditched in favor of Batista. But think of that as more a pushing a baby bird out of its nest so it can learn to fly on its own. Edge summed it up brilliantly that Orton's entire career was decided by that one moment. He was 100% correct. It was that moment that set Orton on a collision course with practically every other member of the Developmental Six save one. He was chosen because of his genetics, his attitude and his looks. He was perfect. He was more a superstar by design then John Cena, had the talent to back it up, and could be controlled.

Remember when Orton had that on-again-off-again rivalry with Triple H? Well, if you look back it was Vince who took the brunt of that. What about the Nexus burial? Well, what if the Nexus was never intended to make it beyond its initial strike? What about how Triple H was the closest person to Vince McMahon when the set collapsed at Million Dollar Mania? CM Punk having his first title taken away by an errant punt to the head? Orton being positioned as the "other" to John Cena even though it seemed forced compared to other organic rivalries?

Triple H and Randy Orton were always going to reach this point. Randy just didn't know it. And this is where Triple H's story comes full circle as well. He has been plotting a take over of the company and eliminating Vince McMahon for years. It's all been him. The Anonymous GM turned out to be a member of DX. Remember that? The Nexus attacking Bret Hart and then Vince McMahon? Remember all those things that seemed to just die for no reason? So many unanswered questions.

It was him, it was Triple H all along.
 
Heel HHH and McMahons is always better than face to me it always seemed forced so I enjoyed it and hated it at the same time lol

It's nice to see Randy with the new belt it looks good on him..nice to see him as heel too...maybe the punt will return. :smokin

I feel for D.Bry but this is just building him up as the top face now that Cena will be gone. (Thank you baby Jesus)

Summerslam and this Raw >>>>>>
 
It ALL was. All of it.

Well, except one thing. See, Triple H is best friends with a guy who isn't a total scheming bastard and had recently turned back to God. Shawn Michaels had this guy on the indies he was really happy with named Bryan Danielson. In an effort to right all the wrongs Michaels had made in his past, he convinced Triple H to sign this absolutely tiny, technical grandmaster with the look of a guy from the 1950s. Triple H had no intention of letting him go anywhere. Triple H talking up the indies and small guys was smoke and mirrors. Look at who he picked for Evolution. Look at his admiration of Ric Flair. Look and power are the only things that matter to him.

So we get Daniel Bryan, a name change and no gimmick, sliding into NXT after spending a decade honing his craft on the indies. He loses a bunch, but despite this he makes it pretty far. Triple H's plan was to use NXT as a breeding ground for soldiers. Of course, now three literal soldiers in body armor and running around, but that has to be a coincidence right? Remember who was the original leader of the Nexus and was just now shown to be kind of siding with the McMahons for what looked like no reason? Right. Or how Sheamus was the one to take advantage of the Nexus to take away Cena's title? Now, only one member of the Nexus never made it past the debut - and that was Daniel Bryan. He just didn't "fit" with the rest of the group in the first place and he was strangely fired.

Should have been the end of the story. But it wasn't. John Cena, who never stepped outside the company line ever in his entire life, signed a petition to bring Daniel Bryan back to the WWE. You guys remember that, I'm sure. But it was enough to get Daniel Bryan back on television and into the main event of Summerslam. But then, for a very long time, Bryan was **** all over by some unseen force in the WWE. Most chalked it up to Vince McMahon.

But what if it wasn't? Wasn't it Sheamus, Triple H's work out buddy, who gave Daniel Bryan 18 Seconds at Wrestlemania? Let it all sink in. It all fits. Just like everything with Orton, Bryan's suffering has been because of Triple H and last night we finally saw it on screen for real.

And last night, at Summerslam, we had Heyman's two big projects fight EACH OTHER, Vince's McMahon's project go down to Shawn Michaels', and then Triple H's personal project annihilating the closest thing to a unanimous hero the WWE's seen in years.

It's all one big story guys. This wasn't the Ruthless Aggression Era. It wasn't the John Cena Era. It was the Rise of Triple H era, and we're about to move into a total company take over.
 
hombrelobo said:
It ALL was. All of it.

Well, except one thing. See, Triple H is best friends with a guy who isn't a total scheming bastard and had recently turned back to God. Shawn Michaels had this guy on the indies he was really happy with named Bryan Danielson. In an effort to right all the wrongs Michaels had made in his past, he convinced Triple H to sign this absolutely tiny, technical grandmaster with the look of a guy from the 1950s. Triple H had no intention of letting him go anywhere. Triple H talking up the indies and small guys was smoke and mirrors. Look at who he picked for Evolution. Look at his admiration of Ric Flair. Look and power are the only things that matter to him.

So we get Daniel Bryan, a name change and no gimmick, sliding into NXT after spending a decade honing his craft on the indies. He loses a bunch, but despite this he makes it pretty far. Triple H's plan was to use NXT as a breeding ground for soldiers. Of course, now three literal soldiers in body armor and running around, but that has to be a coincidence right? Remember who was the original leader of the Nexus and was just now shown to be kind of siding with the McMahons for what looked like no reason? Right. Or how Sheamus was the one to take advantage of the Nexus to take away Cena's title? Now, only one member of the Nexus never made it past the debut - and that was Daniel Bryan. He just didn't "fit" with the rest of the group in the first place and he was strangely fired.

Should have been the end of the story. But it wasn't. John Cena, who never stepped outside the company line ever in his entire life, signed a petition to bring Daniel Bryan back to the WWE. You guys remember that, I'm sure. But it was enough to get Daniel Bryan back on television and into the main event of Summerslam. But then, for a very long time, Bryan was **** all over by some unseen force in the WWE. Most chalked it up to Vince McMahon.

But what if it wasn't? Wasn't it Sheamus, Triple H's work out buddy, who gave Daniel Bryan 18 Seconds at Wrestlemania? Let it all sink in. It all fits. Just like everything with Orton, Bryan's suffering has been because of Triple H and last night we finally saw it on screen for real.

And last night, at Summerslam, we had Heyman's two big projects fight EACH OTHER, Vince's McMahon's project go down to Shawn Michaels', and then Triple H's personal project annihilating the closest thing to a unanimous hero the WWE's seen in years.

It's all one big story guys. This wasn't the Ruthless Aggression Era. It wasn't the John Cena Era. It was the Rise of Triple H era, and we're about to move into a total company take over.
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No wonder Punk was pissed tonight. :lol:
 
hombrelobo said:
All right, settle in guys, because this might be long.

What we saw last night was the culmination of two VERY long stories. One is about Triple H, and the other is about what I have termed the "Developmental Six". We'll talk about the latter first. Context is important. Last night you saw Orton, Punk, Lesnar, Cena and Bryan all front and center in the second biggest PPV of the year. But what's important about that? Well, the first four all came from the same place - OVW. This was to be the breeding ground of WWE's future, and they were the top alums. Back then WWE Creative was a melting pot. Brock Lesnar and CM Punk were Heyman's picks. Randy Orton, and Batista, were Triple H's. John Cena was no one's. A long time ago a dirtsheet came out saying Vince McMahon held a meeting about "the guy" and Cena came up to him afterwards and flat out stated he was the man. Cena was then molded into the company standard, under Vince's watchful eye, in the same vein as Hulk Hogan.

But Matrix, there's a whole lot of flaws with that story. Brock Lesnar was supposed to be the man. He had a video game and everything. Sure he did. But who's man was he? And where was Heyman by 2004? The year this game came out?



Oh. Wait. That isn't Lesnar. That's John Cena and ******g Randy Orton. Development and creative direction for this game would have been started in 2003 - well before Brock Lesnar finally imploded on himself. Orton was, if you remember, Triple H's pick. That's important and we'll get to that later.

While the Lesnar experiment fell apart, Heyman still had a young CM Punk, signed to a developmental deal and eventually in OVW by 2005. Punk was going to be Paul Heyman's revenge. Through sheer tenacity, Heyman secured Punk his own name and gimmick, and pushed him through to the big leagues before Heyman was finally excommunicated. The damage had already been done, though, as a rogue element from the indies was upsetting the balance Vince McMahon had carefully planned. This of course culminated in a fan-pushed CM Punk unseating John Cena at Money In the Bank 2011 to much acclaim. But this was actually just a precursor to what was eventually going to happen last night.

CM Punk was a pawn. He always was, he just didn't know it. Punk leading the Nexus? All part of the plan. Punk defeating John Cena? Part of the plan. Punk getting derailed by Triple H? Part of the plan.
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hombrelobo said:
Let's flash back to 2004. Evolution was a mystery back then. Triple H took a young Randy Orton and Batista under his wing and personally grew them into main eventers. Triple H WANTED them to become their own people. Batista was lead to believe he was in the same league as Cena and Orton, but of course this was a lie. That's why he's the only one of the Developmental Six still not present, though he'll show up soon enough.

Randy Orton was Triple H's pick from the beginning. Yes, it looked like Orton was ditched in favor of Batista. But think of that as more a pushing a baby bird out of its nest so it can learn to fly on its own. Edge summed it up brilliantly that Orton's entire career was decided by that one moment. He was 100% correct. It was that moment that set Orton on a collision course with practically every other member of the Developmental Six save one. He was chosen because of his genetics, his attitude and his looks. He was perfect. He was more a superstar by design then John Cena, had the talent to back it up, and could be controlled.

Remember when Orton had that on-again-off-again rivalry with Triple H? Well, if you look back it was Vince who took the brunt of that. What about the Nexus burial? Well, what if the Nexus was never intended to make it beyond its initial strike? What about how Triple H was the closest person to Vince McMahon when the set collapsed at Million Dollar Mania? CM Punk having his first title taken away by an errant punt to the head? Orton being positioned as the "other" to John Cena even though it seemed forced compared to other organic rivalries?

Triple H and Randy Orton were always going to reach this point. Randy just didn't know it. And this is where Triple H's story comes full circle as well. He has been plotting a take over of the company and eliminating Vince McMahon for years. It's all been him. The Anonymous GM turned out to be a member of DX. Remember that? The Nexus attacking Bret Hart and then Vince McMahon? Remember all those things that seemed to just die for no reason? So many unanswered questions.

It was him, it was Triple H all along.
Click to expand...


hombrelobo said:
It ALL was. All of it.

Well, except one thing. See, Triple H is best friends with a guy who isn't a total scheming bastard and had recently turned back to God. Shawn Michaels had this guy on the indies he was really happy with named Bryan Danielson. In an effort to right all the wrongs Michaels had made in his past, he convinced Triple H to sign this absolutely tiny, technical grandmaster with the look of a guy from the 1950s. Triple H had no intention of letting him go anywhere. Triple H talking up the indies and small guys was smoke and mirrors. Look at who he picked for Evolution. Look at his admiration of Ric Flair. Look and power are the only things that matter to him.

So we get Daniel Bryan, a name change and no gimmick, sliding into NXT after spending a decade honing his craft on the indies. He loses a bunch, but despite this he makes it pretty far. Triple H's plan was to use NXT as a breeding ground for soldiers. Of course, now three literal soldiers in body armor and running around, but that has to be a coincidence right? Remember who was the original leader of the Nexus and was just now shown to be kind of siding with the McMahons for what looked like no reason? Right. Or how Sheamus was the one to take advantage of the Nexus to take away Cena's title? Now, only one member of the Nexus never made it past the debut - and that was Daniel Bryan. He just didn't "fit" with the rest of the group in the first place and he was strangely fired.

Should have been the end of the story. But it wasn't. John Cena, who never stepped outside the company line ever in his entire life, signed a petition to bring Daniel Bryan back to the WWE. You guys remember that, I'm sure. But it was enough to get Daniel Bryan back on television and into the main event of Summerslam. But then, for a very long time, Bryan was **** all over by some unseen force in the WWE. Most chalked it up to Vince McMahon.

But what if it wasn't? Wasn't it Sheamus, Triple H's work out buddy, who gave Daniel Bryan 18 Seconds at Wrestlemania? Let it all sink in. It all fits. Just like everything with Orton, Bryan's suffering has been because of Triple H and last night we finally saw it on screen for real.

And last night, at Summerslam, we had Heyman's two big projects fight EACH OTHER, Vince's McMahon's project go down to Shawn Michaels', and then Triple H's personal project annihilating the closest thing to a unanimous hero the WWE's seen in years.

It's all one big story guys. This wasn't the Ruthless Aggression Era. It wasn't the John Cena Era. It was the Rise of Triple H era, and we're about to move into a total company take over.
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Can we at all think that down the line, Cena returns to make the save and allows D-Bry to win the title? Or is D-Bry doing it on his own?
 
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