09 Boxing Thread:: 12/12 Diaz.vs.Malignaggi HBO/Bradley.vs.Peterson Showtime

Pep > Money

Can PBF win a round without throwing a punch?
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I truly believe a lot more people paid to see Marquez then Mayweather. Remember, it was the week of Mexican independence.
 
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Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze

Floyd getting more PPV buys than Oscar?....In a recession?
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yeah, there was another guy in the ring too....fighting on his nation's Independence Day weekend


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Still...he was fighting Floyd.

If Marquez was fighting any other fighter on the same day....no way in hell would the numbers be that high.

PBF was on the richest PPV fight of all time....is Oscar going to get all the credit for that too? Even after he only did half the sales on an equally promotedfight with a "more popular" fighter (Manny)?

Time to start giving Floyd his due. He created the interest in this fight even amongst the Mexican fanbase that wants to see him eat crow.
 
Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

PBF was on the richest PPV fight of all time....is Oscar going to get all the credit for that too? Even after he only did half the sales on an equally promoted fight with a "more popular" fighter (Manny)?
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DLH is a MUCH bigger draw than Floyd, it's not even close.

I'm talking about in his heyday obviously.
 
Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

Noty according to the numbers...check them out.

This would be greater than DLH Mayorga and equal to or more than DLH/Shane.
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because a mexican was fighting saturday, thats at least half the buys.
 
Originally Posted by HueyP in LouieV

Noty according to the numbers...check them out.

This would be greater than DLH Mayorga and equal to or more than DLH/Shane.
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What numbers?

Out of the top 10 gates in Boxing history, DLH owns half of them.

Floyd owns 1 and its the DLH fight.

Dude fought Mayorga and did nearly 1 million buys.

Here's another number for you:

1: Oscar De La Hoya - $610.6 million on 12.6 million buys (18 events)
 
Yall dudes are haters. lol

Wait til I get home so I can post up the PPV #s.

If this does over 900k...it is going to outsell all but a handful of dlh's fights.
 
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@ Rafael probably having to shave to Mr. Jones cobwebs.

Some updates:

1. Tomasz Adamek (38-1)



With HBO unwilling to commit to an Adamek-Hopkins fight (which is a terrible decision), Adamek plans to go through with a fight against Polish countryman Andrew Golota (41-7-1) at heavyweight. What a circus that could be.
Next: Oct. 24 vs. Golota.
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6. Roy Jones Jr. (54-5)

Jones hasn't fought outside the United States since he was robbed of a gold medal in the 1988 Olympics in South Korea. But now he's 40 and doesn't have a lot of options for a money fight, so he's taking the best fight available to him, a cruiserweight bout against Australia's Danny Green in Sydney.
Next: Dec. 2 vs. Green.
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1. Mikkel Kessler (42-1)


Kessler returned from an 11-month layoff to smash undeserving mandatory challenger Gusmyr Perdomo in four lopsided rounds on Sept. 12 to secure his spot in Showtime's much-anticipated Super Six World Boxing Classic. Kessler is headed to Andre Ward's hometown of Oakland, Calif., for his first bout of the tournament, which is no cakewalk.
Next: Nov. 21 vs. Ward.
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1. Sugar Shane Mosley (46-5)


Mosley, who is extremely frustrated by his inability to land a big fight in the wake of his sensational knockout performance against Antonio Margarito in January, interrupted Floyd Mayweather's in-ring postfight interview after his comeback victory because he wants to fight Mayweather so badly. Ultimately, however, Mosley probably will wind up facing Andre Berto in late January instead.
Next: TBA.
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3. Floyd Mayweather (40-0)

The former champ ended a 21-month layoff by whitewashing lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez. All credit to Mayweather's tremendous talent, but it would be nice to see him use it against men his own size.
Next: TBA.
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5. Andre Berto (25-0)

Although he could go to Showtime for a two-fight deal that would start with a unification bout against Isaac Hlatshwayo before the end of the year, Berto appears likely to sit out until a proposed Jan. 30 match with Mosley. If it happens, it means Berto will likely be stripped of his belt.
Next: TBA.
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4. Kendall Holt (25-3)

Coming off a decision loss to Bradley in April, former titlist Holt was mentioned as an opponent to face interim beltholder Marcos Maidana on HBO's Nov. 28 Lucian Bute-Librado Andrade II undercard in Quebec City. However, it looks as though Maidana won't wind up on that card.
Next: TBA.
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1. Juan Manuel Marquez (50-5-1)

The champ's try at welterweight didn't work out too well as he was destroyed by the returning Floyd Mayweather Jr. on Sept. 19. Marquez was simply outgunned by the much bigger man. If Marquez opts to defend his lightweight championship, it could mean a mandatory fight with interim beltholder Michael Katsidis. That would make for an entertaining fight.
Next: TBA.
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3. Joan Guzman (29-0)

Golden Boy, Guzman's new promoter, won the purse bid for Guzman's fight with Ali Funeka for a vacant belt and plans to put the fight on the Lucian Bute-Librado Andrade II HBO undercard.
Next: Nov. 28 vs. Funeka.
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5. Michael Katsidis (26-2)

In an excellent performance, Katsidis outboxed and outslugged 2004 U.S. Olympian Vicente Escobedo to claim an interim belt on the Sept. 19 Mayweather-Marquez undercard. The victory put the Australian brawler in position for a possible fight with Marquez.
Next: TBA.
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6. Edwin Valero (25-0)

A DUI charge has landed Valero in trouble and he is unable to obtain a work visa to come to the United States. So forget about the possible Humberto Soto fight on the Nov. 14 Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao undercard.
Next: TBA.
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+%%@%$!.


1. Humberto Soto (49-7-2)


Fighting in Mexico on Sept. 15 (Mexican Independence Day) on the Simphiwe Nongqayi-Jorge Arce undercard, Soto needed only two rounds to dispose of Aristides Perez in his third title defense. Soto likely will move up to lightweight and could land on the Nov. 14 Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao undercard, but it won't be against titlist Edwin Valero because of Valero's outside-the-ring issues.
Next: TBA.
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Most of those buys were to see Marquez, guaranteed. There was a reason they chose to fight last weekend, care to take a guess?

Most people knew this was going to be a non competitive fight between 2 counter punchers, not exactly appealing to the casual fan.

And everybody knows DLH was the Cash King. I can't even believe that's up for debate.
 
For the better part of 2009, HBO and Golden Boy have collectively waffled over how exactly to proceed with the career of resurrected welterweight star "Sugar" Shane Mosley.

They have failed miserably. For that matter, so has Shane Mosley.

It should be a problem first for Mosley and Golden Boy to deal with from within, and then sort out the rest with HBO.

Instead, their follies have now somehow become Floyd Mayweather Jr's problem.

Mayweather was barely five minutes into celebrating a virtual shutout over Juan Manuel Marquez in his first fight in more than 21 months before he was put on the spot to commit to his next fight.

The perception going into the evening was that Mayweather-Marquez was an expensive infomercial to sell a Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao super fight sometime next year, assuming that Pacquiao survives his November showdown with Miguel Cotto, by no means a given.

Three questions deep into what passes as a post-fight interview these days, it was clear that HBO and Golden Boy clearly had something else in mind.

Perhaps it wasn't the plan all along, but script certainly changed somewhere along the way. You could see the agenda dripping a mile away when HBO color commentator Max Kellerman dropped Shane Mosley's name when inquiring of Mayweather's next dance partner.

This being a Golden Boy Promotions event, Mosley was already in the ring along with Bernard Hopkins, since that's what they do when there's an event featuring a Golden Boy fighter they consider to be worth a damn. Upon Shane's name being mentioned during the post-fight interview, Mayweather granted the fighter the opportunity to share screen time.

To Mosley's credit, he willingly obliged in his usual classy manner. The two fighters shook hands. Mayweather offered his token response when asked about any fighter. Mosley waited until Mayweather finished speaking before leaning into the mic and stating to the boxing world he just wants the two to get it on in the ring, to give the fans their money's worth.

All would've been well had Mosley's fifteen seconds of fame ended there. The four-time world champion was given his chance to plead his case, at which point the floor should've went back to Mayweather.

Regardless of how displeased anyone was with the event, the fact is that Mayweather-Marquez was the product HBO and Golden Boy offered to the paying public. Mayweather won, with miles of room to spare, earning the right to have the spotlight to himself for a few more minutes.

HBO and Golden Boy clearly felt otherwise, instead using the opportunity to try to clean up their own mess that has been created over the past few weeks.

The illusion created by night's end was that Mayweather is at least partially to blame for Mosley's inability to schedule another fight for the rest of 2009. The war of words reminded fans of the years-long debate over who is ducking whom in regards to a Mayweather-Mosley fight never materializing despite being arguably a decade a making.

However, the real issue is HBO pulling a fast one on Mosley and Golden Boy, resulting in a logjam at the start of their planned 2010 boxing season.

Had HBO honored their word, Mosley's next fight would be against Joshua Clottey on the very last Saturday of 2009, which happens to be the day after Christmas. The fight was originally slated for December 5, until it was decided that such date would need to be kept open in case lineal middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik was medically cleared to face Paul Williams, perhaps another reminder of where Mosley ranks in the boxing superstar food chain.

It wasn't the first time HBO "accidentally" double-booked, nor would it be the last. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer willingly backed off of the date, believing the network with which he enjoys a long-term output deal would do right by his company and more so his fighter in squeezing him in at the end of the year.

Schaefer and Mosley instead had the proverbial rug pulled from underneath them, after HBO had second thoughts about airing a fight so close to a major holiday, a weekend they've traditionally avoided at all costs.

Such news did not sit well with Schaefer, who rightfully could've stood firm on the December 5 date and told everyone else to wait their turn. Instead, he was offered a consolation prize - Shane sitting out the rest of the year, but with the guarantee of a fight at the start of 2010.

The package was an upgrade, with Mosley now offered a fight against fellow welterweight titlist Andre Berto. Should all parties agree to terms, the projected date is January 30.

Enter Bernard Hopkins.

The legendary former middleweight champion serves no other purpose in Golden Boy-promoted events other than to serve as a company figurehead. In assuming that role, he is afforded the opportunity to stand in the ring for any event featuring the GBP logo.

Hopkins had all of the motivation in the world to ignite the flames for a Mayweather-Mosley showdown to occur sooner rather than later. A guarantee of such fight being next for both welterweights means HBO's first big pay-per-view event planned for 2010.

From the outside looking in, one could offer the argument that Hopkins was doing his job as Mosley's "promoter" to hype up the most lucrative option out there for his fighter. If that's what you believe, then ask Kassim Ouma, Rock Allen and Karl Dargan, among others, how much actual promoting Hopkins has done for anyone's career other than his own.

Remember Golden Boy Promotions East?

Didn't think so.

Realizing the situation for what it really is - Hopkins pushing his own agenda - it's no secret that angling to secure a Mayweather-Mosley fight frees up the January 30 date he was originally promised, which comes on the heels of his 45th birthday a two weeks prior.

Even with the promise of a January 30 return, Hopkins will have been out of the ring for more than 15 months, since his virtual shutout of Kelly Pavlik. Keeping the date open for the Philly legend would be foolish, considering that he is still without an opponent.

It could be against Tomasz Adamek, or the winner of the November 7 rematch between Chad Dawson and Glen Johnson. With Bernard being Bernard, it would seem to be too short a window for either option to pan out at the negotiating table.

While Mosley put himself in his own predicament, the very least that he could be granted is for one of the two dates he's been offered to actually pan out.

HBO and Golden Boy are the only two in a position of power to make that happen. Why their mess is now Floyd Mayweather's obligation to clean up is anyone's guess.

Current boxing politics suggest that Mayweather against the winner of Pacquiao-Cotto isn't immediately realistic, even though it promises to be the most lucrative option available for all parties involved.

From that perspective, the next logical step would be a Mayweather-Mosley showdown sometime in the first quarter of 2010. There are better ways to secure such a fight than what was presented last Saturday in Las Vegas.

Then again, there are also much better ways to extend the career of a boxing star than the begging tour on which Shane Mosley has been forced to embark while HBO and Golden Boy continue to stumble over figuring out the next move.

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From all indications this fight did at least 900,000 homes in America and furthermore could even reach 1.6 million homes. If this is true.
THAN OMG AND !$!...!!!

You guys hated on this fight from day one.
even with a recession, the media trashing this fight,fans talking of boycotting and UFC competing with it all on the same night...
The Mayweather fight still did more than Pacquiao vs. Hatton and probably Pacquiao vs. Cotto

The deck was completely stacked against Mayweather and he still pull it out.
This fight proved Mayweather claim on him being a cash cow.
oh yeah..he has been off for 2 years


900,000 at $49.95 = 44.95 Million in P.P.V Revenue
925,000 at $49.95 = 46.20 Million in P.P.V Revenue
950,000 at $49.95 = 47.45 Million in P.P.V Revenue
975,000 at $49.95 = 48.70 Million in P.P.V Revenue
1.0 Million at $49.95 = 49.95 Million in P.P.V Revenue
1.1 Million at $49.95 = 54.94 Million in P.P.V Revenue
1.2 Million at $49.95 = 59 Million in P.P.V Revenue
1.3 Million at $49.95 = 64 Million in P.P.V Revenue
1.4 Million at $49.95 = 69 Million in P.P.V Revenue
1.5 Million at $49.95 = 74 Million in P.P.V Revenue
1.6 Million at $49.95 = 79 Million in P.P.V Revenue

Mayweather has $10 million guarantee, minimum
Marquez has $3.2 million guarantee, minimum

Mayweather Promotions was also the lead promoter (Mayweather promotions paid for the 24/7 and etc) with Golden boy being co- promoter.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxin...-marquez_N.htm

I mean damn Floyd Mayweather could be looking at taking home anywhere from
40- 65 Million dollars including live gate and Movie sales numbers for a fight with Juan Man. Marquez…!!!

I guess he wasn't lying when he said he will make more money than Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto combined.!!


BETTER BELIEVE, FLOYD will be enforcing
60/40 for a fight with Pacquiao
70/30 for a fight with Cotto
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I still place most of the blame on Mosley being inactive on Mosley but HBO did screw him over. They still put Clottey on the undercard of the fight on the 5th.
 
If accurate that's very impressive numbers for PBF (
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at 40-65 mil),but I still don't see a 60/40 split with Pac-Man or a 70/30 split with Cotto. IMO more like 55/45 for Floyd/Pac-Man and 60/40 for Floyd/Cotto.
 
Those are damn impressive numbers and surpassed anything I could imagine. Especially with all the backlash from the media heading into the fight.

Definitely a good look for boxing.
 
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