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Originally Posted by irishbaz
Originally Posted by AirPhilippines
Originally Posted by irishbaz
I doubt this will perform a whole lot better than the last E63 its only up a few HP and like all big benz cars it will drive like a barge regardless of suspension tweaks. Even the black S which is pitched at performance drivers has some way to go to be up there with 911/BMW M cars. The usual tons of power and spinning wheels but they will always be catering for middle aged golfers who are no longer sexually active
For the same money the V10 RS6 or V10 M5 are more driver focused cars, they can never hide the fact that they are heavy saloons but these 2 cars are better at handling the weight than MB.
The Black series is easily as fun as any 911 even mine. It may not be a drivers car, but it WILL put a smile on your face.I'd take it over any current M.
Whats FUN and whats a drivers car is quite different. Any large barge with power can be fun but when they start claiming to be a drivers car thats a different story. Im not big on any current M but the M3 CSL could outpreform any black, even brabus benz cars cant shake the CSL on track.
Originally Posted by irishbaz
I went from an 993 RS to an E46 CSL and I can only say the change was an improvement for me. Whats regarded as one of the greatest 911s of all time was a huge dissapointment, Ive been in the black sl and CL and they have the power but lack the steering and soft chassis was a let down just like in the brabus benz cars. You are making these black cars out to be ferarri killers and hey are just not. These beefed up benz cars may suit NASCAR but on shorter tracks where driver skill is more a factor the black shows its weight badly.
There is no black Cl out yet. The only 2 out is the black CLK and black SL. The CSL is a fantastic car, but the clk black is no slouch either. Ithink the CLK black may have the edge over the CSL.Originally Posted by AirPhilippines
Originally Posted by irishbaz
I went from an 993 RS to an E46 CSL and I can only say the change was an improvement for me. Whats regarded as one of the greatest 911s of all time was a huge dissapointment, Ive been in the black sl and CL and they have the power but lack the steering and soft chassis was a let down just like in the brabus benz cars. You are making these black cars out to be ferarri killers and hey are just not. These beefed up benz cars may suit NASCAR but on shorter tracks where driver skill is more a factor the black shows its weight badly.
First off the 993rs isn't even the best 993, and on what criteria did it not satisfy you?We aren't talking about the black sl, nor the black cl.The Black CLK. You're making the m3csl seem as if it's god on wheels. The car is hardly as good as a well set up gt3. Cort Wagner (ALMS driver) piloted the Black CLK on willow and left the CSL spec driver who was no slouch behind. I'm sure on home ground at Laguna Seca the same result would be had.