2025 NFL Draft Thread

[CP1708]

I’ll tell you this — if you put a rock with QB talent on one side and a genius with no talent on the other, I’m taking the rock 10 outta 10 times. I’d rather dumb down my playbook than bet on a so-called genius who’s a subpar athlete.

Dan Marino had one of the lowest Wonderlic at 15 while Blaine Gabbert was in the high 40s .... hmmmm ...

I think you're mixing some things here man.

I'm not saying decipher 90 variables etc. You have to receive the play call(s) in a microphone in your helmet with 70,000 people screaming and a clock ticking.....you have to repeat EVERY SYLLABLE so your ten teammates know the play and get to the LOS so THEN you can read the defense and POSSIBLY change to the second play.

In 40 seconds.

I promise you, it requires an insane amount of work, attention to detail, practice, homework, and leadership.

And your ten teammates will know IMMEDIATELY if you ain't doin it. Because THEIR JOBS rely on that information, every 40 seconds.

 

[DeadsetAce]

wonderlic

 

[IATT]

 

[keko jones]

sanders aside, im dying at people thinking talent is all it takes to be QB in this league. and that talent is all that teams look for in a QB

You’re making an assumption off a comment, but there’s a reason why dudes with real intangibles go high — you can’t teach that. Hard work, football IQ, leadership — all that stuff matters and it’s what you want in a player.

My point was more at the clown show on Hard Knocks — dude out here spitting plays like he’s some mastermind. If these MFs gotta memorize a damn dictionary of audibles, I’m not faulting a guy for not catching every single thing right away. Like you said, it’s way bigger than just one thing.

Ultimate, can they play or not and can I work with it.

 

[keko jones]

I thought Wonderlic was already proven to be unreliable and they did away with it?

Exactly my point — judging an athlete’s worth off some dumb test is stupid as hell. Bottom line: can they play or not, and can I coach them up? That’s it.

 

[g-time]

I don’t know. Giving someone an offense install ahead of a meeting, not prepare for it basically at all, not be able to do the install when time, and then get upset when the coach criticizes you, all seem like some red flags regardless of talent. Remember, there have been numerous other talented QBs in this league that failed because they struggled there.

 

[Deleted member 248925]

Mara said he wanted stability in the front office instead of continuing to clean house every couple years. He forced Jones on them. He has to give them the opportunity to develop their guy.

They should show improvement. Roster is much, much better than it was a year ago.

Every year Giants fans say the roster is much better. Its comical. Top 10 draft pick 8 of the last 10 years and we will be picking top 10 next year as well.

John Mara wants stability because he looks like an idiot and the world is laughing at him. His fragile little rich man ego is crushed that everyone he hires sucks and we were the biggest joke in football again last year.

Russell Wilson has to win 8-9 games or Dart has to come in and look real good. Kid can’t read a ****in playbook or do a snap count. Mara will be embarrassed again and will fire Daboll and probably keep Schoen unless this draft class is a bust. Dart wasn’t picked high enough to get Daboll more years. They can recover from that.

 

[CP1708]

Exactly my point — judging an athlete’s worth off some dumb test is stupid as hell. Bottom line: can they play or not, and can I coach them up? That’s it.

There's soooooooooo much more tho.

The timing of EVERY detail matters. When you add in motions, or shifts. When you see presnap penalties a lot of times those go on the QB for not handling the timing of everyone/everything.

When a QB starts yelling get set get set if/when two players are in motion, he has to stop one of them before he can snap, while clock is ticking down AND he needs to read the Defense AND know where all 10 of his guys are going to be at the snap.

Then he has 3 seconds to decide.

If he misses one detail, sack, fumble, int, penalty can all go against him.

Preparation is how you survive that. Not "he can just play".

I haven't even mentioned yet that Sheduer is NOTORIOUS for running backwards out of his own pockets and running into sacks. He survived in college vs Colorado St. That ain't gon fly vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh twice a year fam....

 

[keko jones]

You’re making valid points, no doubt.

But what happens if that talented player just needs a little extra help? That’s part of coaching, especially at the QB position. These days, it feels like everything in sports is about instant gratification — teams want a ready-made product instead of actually mentoring and developing a player the right way.

And let’s be real — the QB spot has had a long, ugly history of racial bias. For years, Black quarterbacks were unfairly labeled as not smart enough, not good decision-makers, or just athletes who couldn’t handle the mental part of the game. Meanwhile, when white QBs struggled, it was always “he needs time” or “he’s learning.” The double standard has always been there.

Being able to scramble or make plays off-script isn’t a flaw — it’s a strength when coached properly. Just because a QB can move doesn’t mean he can’t dominate from the pocket too. It’s been a messed-up narrative for way too long, but like you said, it’s not the end-all, be-all. Things are slowly changing, but the mindset still has a long way to go.

 

[T0INE]

Reece scolding Mel like a child.

Mel saying the NFL is clueless about evaluating QBs, but EYE am sure he was among the many calling Sunshine "generational".

 

[Deleted member 248925]

Mel Kiper said for years the Giants needed to keep Daniel Jones. Mel is also an anti vaxxer. He’s a moron.

 

[Air273]

There's soooooooooo much more tho.

The timing of EVERY detail matters. When you add in motions, or shifts. When you see presnap penalties a lot of times those go on the QB for not handling the timing of everyone/everything.

When a QB starts yelling get set get set if/when two players are in motion, he has to stop one of them before he can snap, while clock is ticking down AND he needs to read the Defense AND know where all 10 of his guys are going to be at the snap.

Then he has 3 seconds to decide.

If he misses one detail, sack, fumble, int, penalty can all go against him.

Preparation is how you survive that. Not "he can just play".

I haven't even mentioned yet that Sheduer is NOTORIOUS for running backwards out of his own pockets and running into sacks. He survived in college vs Colorado St. That ain't gon fly vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh twice a year fam....

there was a play with daniel jones 6 year vet against steelers. watt strip fumble. daniel jones does not move the TE over to chip watt. the rookie TE knew that he needed to be called over and was waiting. the rookie first time in this offense knew but the vet QB didnt. thats the difference between winning and losing at the pro level.

 

[keko jones]

There's soooooooooo much more tho.

The timing of EVERY detail matters. When you add in motions, or shifts. When you see presnap penalties a lot of times those go on the QB for not handling the timing of everyone/everything.

When a QB starts yelling get set get set if/when two players are in motion, he has to stop one of them before he can snap, while clock is ticking down AND he needs to read the Defense AND know where all 10 of his guys are going to be at the snap.

Then he has 3 seconds to decide.

If he misses one detail, sack, fumble, int, penalty can all go against him.

Preparation is how you survive that. Not "he can just play".

I haven't even mentioned yet that Sheduer is NOTORIOUS for running backwards out of his own pockets and running into sacks. He survived in college vs Colorado St. That ain't gon fly vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh twice a year fam....

Exactly, a player doesn’t need to memorize every single detail of the playbook to have a feel for the game. They don’t need to know every X and O to recognize when a guy’s in motion, see a mismatch, or realize a defense is offside. That’s what we mean by “can he play?” It’s about instinct and having a natural feel for the game.

What DaBoll was doing — testing if a player can adjust the play on the fly — is just one piece of it. But that’s only about 25% of the puzzle. Another 25% is reading the defense, and the other half is about the player’s skills — can they let the play develop, deceive the defense, and execute the throw or decision?

So, while I’m not arguing with you, I just didn’t like how the video framed things. I don’t view DaBoll like that, and I didn’t like how they characterized someone as “unprepared” or “unwilling.” Maybe they’re not as quick on the mental side, but they can still deliver when given the right guidance. I think we’re just focusing on different aspects of the game here.

 

[keko jones]

there was a play with daniel jones 6 year vet against steelers. watt strip fumble. daniel jones does not move the TE over to chip watt. the rookie TE knew that he needed to be called over and was waiting. the rookie first time in this offense knew but the vet QB didnt. thats the difference between winning and losing at the pro level.

Exactly, this isn’t about play calling, it’s about having a feel for the game and understanding how things are supposed to look, not just memorizing a play verbatim. And yeah, Daniel Jones? High IQ guy, BTW! How did that play out?

 

[g-time]

What if Daboll wasn’t the only meeting like that though? It was reported from numerous execs. One report stated so much as him basically sandbagging meetings for places he wasn’t interest in going to.

 

[keko jones]

What if Daboll wasn’t the only meeting like that though? It was reported from numerous execs. One report stated so much as him basically sandbagging meetings for places he wasn’t interest in going to.

My point wasn’t about Sanders. That video was from last year — Drake, Caleb, and the rest of them. It’s more about the caption and DaBoll. But with that said, are you really saying Dart’s gonna be better than Saunders?

 

[g-time]

My point wasn’t about Sanders. That video was from last year — Drake, Caleb, and the rest of them. It’s more about the caption and DaBoll. But with that said, are you really saying Dart’s gonna be better than Saunders?

I’m not sure how that’s really me saying that, just by posing that question because what you were talking about pertained to Sanders with the talent no? I mean that’s what we’ve all been talking about. That’s what the tweet was referring too.

And as of now, we have no clue. They both have deficiencies that have to be fixed/cleaned up in both their games. We truly won’t know that for possibly a couple seasons.

 

[keko jones]

I’m not sure how that’s really me saying that, just by posing that question because what you were talking about pertained to Sanders with the talent no? I mean that’s what we’ve all been talking about. That’s what the tweet was referring too.

And as of now, we have no clue. They both have deficiencies that have to be fixed/cleaned up in both their games. We truly won’t know that for possibly a couple seasons.

I wasn't talking about Sanders ....

However, I just saw a post saying DaBoll didn’t like Sanders because he was unprepared. I think that’s where the mix-up happened. Got it now — I wasn’t talking about Sanders here.

 

[dacomeup]

I’m just realizing that Shedeur didn’t have an agent the whole process. Deion should be ashamed of himself. No agent, which means who did his combine prep or was communicating with teams on his behalf, etc?

Shilo signed with Rosenhaus tonight . Just a mismanaged situation the whole way through

 

[ICE CITY CF]

we need CLE on Hard Knocks

Lord Jesus no we do not.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

You thought he should go #3 overall . I wouldn’t be talking about experts if I were you.

And you said the Bengals was contenders last year.

Stick to being a fake draft guru...

 

[Air273]

Exactly, this isn’t about play calling, it’s about having a feel for the game and understanding how things are supposed to look, not just memorizing a play verbatim. And yeah, Daniel Jones? High IQ guy, BTW! How did that play out?

its about reading the defense as well, thats where talking to the player about concepts comes in. you missed the part where the rookie TE knew that he has to be moved over. thats the rookie TE reading the defense and waiting for the QB to pick it up. he didnt. thats not something you're born with thats from studying the defense you're going up against in class during the week. these players spend hours in class during the week. MORE than on the field. CLASS . DJ had brain fart COST the giants that game vs. steelers. a lot of the sacks he took are on him. thats him doing a bad job reading the defense. not making adjustments that were part of the week game plan. not prepared. this is what teams are trying to figure out. will this guy put in the work, prepare study, GET the game plan, lead men. are they 100% no of course not. QBs FOOL them all the time, like danile jones like zach wilson. BUT with agents they were prepared for the process.

you guys should check out gruden's QB class with dart on youtube. this 1 hour chat shows what kind of chats sanders was having with teams. YOU need to be prepared for that. NO AGENT dude was NOT prepared. this is not brain surgery. hes been Xs and Ox his entire life this is talking football. having connection with the coach. good convo. like with ANY job interview. before the draft there was reports this kid mailed in his meeting with teams. seem disinterested. not good.

 

[dacomeup]

That's why I said I'ma leave it to you draft guru.

Too bad you was dead wrong about them Bengals last year. I said they would fall off.

Yes, totally predictable that they would have the worst defense in the league and waste a MVP level season by Burrow and triple crown by Chase. You got me there

 

[dman14]

Deion was good enough to dictate his terms and even had baseball to fall back on. His son didn't have that and received bad advice from him. Fumbled the bag

 

[IATT]

I’m just realizing that Shedeur didn’t have an agent the whole process.

Been mentioned a bunch in here.. but just goes to show how they approached the process

And I’m not against certain guys not hiring agents, but that means you have someone legit in touch with the teams giving you some idea of things.. Deion got media connections but dude never worked with any of these nfl coaches and his program ain’t some hotbed where he would have been contact with teams as a result of talking about other prospects

Like Saban could tell his players what he’s hiring and what they’re being knocked for.. or he could outright do damage control for stuff

Or even if you’re fully engaging in the process you can get a legit feel for how teams are feeling you

But you could just hire a lawyer and have them review the deal since there are only some standard stuff based on where you’re drafted.. then it’s hourly rate vs a percentage