Alcoholism

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

^^^You really gonna front like you read all that. Dude asked for evidence, and I bombarded him with it.

Joe Grant with the MD, JD, MPH

Actually  have the DSM-IV in  my room.
Best $75 i ever spent

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

^^^You really gonna front like you read all that. Dude asked for evidence, and I bombarded him with it.

Joe Grant with the MD, JD, MPH

Actually  have the DSM-IV in  my room.
Best $75 i ever spent

 

[paul is on tilt]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

^^^You really gonna front like you read all that. Dude asked for evidence, and I bombarded him with it.

Joe Grant with the MD, JD, MPH

THE Joe Grant MD, JD, MPH?!?!

Yes, indeed!

 

[paul is on tilt]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

^^^You really gonna front like you read all that. Dude asked for evidence, and I bombarded him with it.

Joe Grant with the MD, JD, MPH

THE Joe Grant MD, JD, MPH?!?!

Yes, indeed!

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

^^^You really gonna front like you read all that. Dude asked for evidence, and I bombarded him with it.

Joe Grant with the MD, JD, MPH

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

^^^You really gonna front like you read all that. Dude asked for evidence, and I bombarded him with it.

Joe Grant with the MD, JD, MPH

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

^^^You really gonna front like you read all that. Dude asked for evidence, and I bombarded him with it.

Joe Grant with the MD, JD, MPH

Damn, people can't make mistakes on NT without getting the

. Jon E Grant, you happy now? 


Joe Grant (May 15, 1908 – May 6, 2005) was a Disney artist and writer.

Born in New York City, New York, he worked for The Walt Disney Company as a character designer and story artist beginning in 1933 on the Mickey Mouse short, "Mickey's Gala Premiere". He was a Disney legend. He created the Queen in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. He co-wrote Dumbo. He also led development of Fantasia and Pinocchio.

Hmmm..........
  

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

^^^You really gonna front like you read all that. Dude asked for evidence, and I bombarded him with it.

Joe Grant with the MD, JD, MPH

Damn, people can't make mistakes on NT without getting the

. Jon E Grant, you happy now? 


Joe Grant (May 15, 1908 – May 6, 2005) was a Disney artist and writer.

Born in New York City, New York, he worked for The Walt Disney Company as a character designer and story artist beginning in 1933 on the Mickey Mouse short, "Mickey's Gala Premiere". He was a Disney legend. He created the Queen in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. He co-wrote Dumbo. He also led development of Fantasia and Pinocchio.

Hmmm..........
  

 

[hankzilla]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Let's be real here did you think anybody's gonna read that?

 

[hankzilla]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Let's be real here did you think anybody's gonna read that?

 

[fog raw]

Originally Posted by ninjallamafromhell

I wouldn't consider myself alcoholic (but probably am anyways

) but I did crawl into the bottle late last year.  I was drunk pretty much 24/7 for well over 2 weeks, and it was not social drinking.

*Checks avy*

 

[fog raw]

Originally Posted by ninjallamafromhell

I wouldn't consider myself alcoholic (but probably am anyways

) but I did crawl into the bottle late last year.  I was drunk pretty much 24/7 for well over 2 weeks, and it was not social drinking.

*Checks avy*

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Hankzilla

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Let's be real here did you think anybody's gonna read that?

  He asked for evidence, I didn't wanna disappoint.

Neurobiologists have done brain imaging studies on video game addiction (we're talking those World of Warcraft, lost my job and wife cause I spend 24hrs a day playing addict). The same neurobiological mechanisms in other forms of addiction are at work.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Hankzilla

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Let's be real here did you think anybody's gonna read that?

  He asked for evidence, I didn't wanna disappoint.

Neurobiologists have done brain imaging studies on video game addiction (we're talking those World of Warcraft, lost my job and wife cause I spend 24hrs a day playing addict). The same neurobiological mechanisms in other forms of addiction are at work.

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Info on the avy Fog?

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Info on the avy Fog?

 

[theta]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

i lost all respect for the DSM when they classified alcoholism as a disease. its @!#!*@ ridiculous.

Addiction is a mental illness. But a lot of people that call themselves alcoholics really aren't. Unless you're drinking a handle of vodka a day, losing your family/job  because of the habit, and go through some serious withdrawal symptoms you're NOT an alcoholic. There are criteria in the DSM to qualify as a true addict.

  

i disagree entirely that addiction is a mental illness. on what grounds can you justify that?

also if you read my post on another person's post about his buddy being an alcoholic, i said the EXACT same thing that you just said about people falsely being classified by their peers as an alcoholic.

Addiction is a disease of the brain, a little google search on the neuropathology of addiction should clear things up. It's not like I'm saying something ground breaking. Unless everything I've been taught about the brain, neurochemistry/pharmacology/addiction/human behavior to this point has been a lie.

Ofcourse there are different severities and some drugs are more addicting/habit forming than others. It's all governed by the brain's addiction/pleasure centers, which are also responsible for the withdrawal symptoms you experience from discontinued usage.

It's common knowledge bro....eg. nicotine addiction is governed by the brain

http://www2.aaap.org/

Ok i know everything that you had already posted and lol i know addiction has to do with the brain. I have an issue of how mental illness is defined. It cant just be classified as a mental illness because it has to do with the brain (in that case, all illnesses are a subset of mental illness). As a result, the term becomes too broad and looses meaning. I just dont think you can say that because something involves the brain (as any type of physical response ultimately does). Lol by that definition, erectile dysfunction is a "mental disorder".

 

[theta]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

i lost all respect for the DSM when they classified alcoholism as a disease. its @!#!*@ ridiculous.

Addiction is a mental illness. But a lot of people that call themselves alcoholics really aren't. Unless you're drinking a handle of vodka a day, losing your family/job  because of the habit, and go through some serious withdrawal symptoms you're NOT an alcoholic. There are criteria in the DSM to qualify as a true addict.

  

i disagree entirely that addiction is a mental illness. on what grounds can you justify that?

also if you read my post on another person's post about his buddy being an alcoholic, i said the EXACT same thing that you just said about people falsely being classified by their peers as an alcoholic.

Addiction is a disease of the brain, a little google search on the neuropathology of addiction should clear things up. It's not like I'm saying something ground breaking. Unless everything I've been taught about the brain, neurochemistry/pharmacology/addiction/human behavior to this point has been a lie.

Ofcourse there are different severities and some drugs are more addicting/habit forming than others. It's all governed by the brain's addiction/pleasure centers, which are also responsible for the withdrawal symptoms you experience from discontinued usage.

It's common knowledge bro....eg. nicotine addiction is governed by the brain

http://www2.aaap.org/

Ok i know everything that you had already posted and lol i know addiction has to do with the brain. I have an issue of how mental illness is defined. It cant just be classified as a mental illness because it has to do with the brain (in that case, all illnesses are a subset of mental illness). As a result, the term becomes too broad and looses meaning. I just dont think you can say that because something involves the brain (as any type of physical response ultimately does). Lol by that definition, erectile dysfunction is a "mental disorder".

 

[pj and bompton]

Originally Posted by Master Zik

No real pity for alcoholics.

As for the argument I've seen scans of a brain after the effects of alcoholism and when it comes to it being a mental addiction (it is a mental illness) I find it hard to believe 100% if the person really does drink like an alcoholic that they're mentally addicted due to the amount of holes, yes literal holes in your brain drinking alcohol causes.

what in the @%#% did i just read.

 

[pj and bompton]

Originally Posted by Master Zik

No real pity for alcoholics.

As for the argument I've seen scans of a brain after the effects of alcoholism and when it comes to it being a mental addiction (it is a mental illness) I find it hard to believe 100% if the person really does drink like an alcoholic that they're mentally addicted due to the amount of holes, yes literal holes in your brain drinking alcohol causes.

what in the @%#% did i just read.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

i lost all respect for the DSM when they classified alcoholism as a disease. its @!#!*@ ridiculous.

Addiction is a mental illness. But a lot of people that call themselves alcoholics really aren't. Unless you're drinking a handle of vodka a day, losing your family/job  because of the habit, and go through some serious withdrawal symptoms you're NOT an alcoholic. There are criteria in the DSM to qualify as a true addict.

  

i disagree entirely that addiction is a mental illness. on what grounds can you justify that?

also if you read my post on another person's post about his buddy being an alcoholic, i said the EXACT same thing that you just said about people falsely being classified by their peers as an alcoholic.

Addiction is a disease of the brain, a little google search on the neuropathology of addiction should clear things up. It's not like I'm saying something ground breaking. Unless everything I've been taught about the brain, neurochemistry/pharmacology/addiction/human behavior to this point has been a lie.

Ofcourse there are different severities and some drugs are more addicting/habit forming than others. It's all governed by the brain's addiction/pleasure centers, which are also responsible for the withdrawal symptoms you experience from discontinued usage.

It's common knowledge bro....eg. nicotine addiction is governed by the brain

http://www2.aaap.org/

Ok i know everything that you had already posted and lol i know addiction has to do with the brain. I have an issue of how mental illness is defined. It cant just be classified as a mental illness because it has to do with the brain (in that case, all illnesses are a subset of mental illness). As a result, the term becomes too broad and looses meaning. I just dont think you can say that because something involves the brain (as any type of physical response ultimately does). Lol by that definition, erectile dysfunction is a "mental disorder".

So what do you think we should classify it as? Let's hear it. Read what I posted about the connections between other mental illnesses and addiction. I don't know where else addiction would fall in subsets of illnesses, if you have a better term please do share.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

i lost all respect for the DSM when they classified alcoholism as a disease. its @!#!*@ ridiculous.

Addiction is a mental illness. But a lot of people that call themselves alcoholics really aren't. Unless you're drinking a handle of vodka a day, losing your family/job  because of the habit, and go through some serious withdrawal symptoms you're NOT an alcoholic. There are criteria in the DSM to qualify as a true addict.

  

i disagree entirely that addiction is a mental illness. on what grounds can you justify that?

also if you read my post on another person's post about his buddy being an alcoholic, i said the EXACT same thing that you just said about people falsely being classified by their peers as an alcoholic.

Addiction is a disease of the brain, a little google search on the neuropathology of addiction should clear things up. It's not like I'm saying something ground breaking. Unless everything I've been taught about the brain, neurochemistry/pharmacology/addiction/human behavior to this point has been a lie.

Ofcourse there are different severities and some drugs are more addicting/habit forming than others. It's all governed by the brain's addiction/pleasure centers, which are also responsible for the withdrawal symptoms you experience from discontinued usage.

It's common knowledge bro....eg. nicotine addiction is governed by the brain

http://www2.aaap.org/

Ok i know everything that you had already posted and lol i know addiction has to do with the brain. I have an issue of how mental illness is defined. It cant just be classified as a mental illness because it has to do with the brain (in that case, all illnesses are a subset of mental illness). As a result, the term becomes too broad and looses meaning. I just dont think you can say that because something involves the brain (as any type of physical response ultimately does). Lol by that definition, erectile dysfunction is a "mental disorder".

So what do you think we should classify it as? Let's hear it. Read what I posted about the connections between other mental illnesses and addiction. I don't know where else addiction would fall in subsets of illnesses, if you have a better term please do share.

 

[antonlavey]

A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern associated with distress or disability that occurs in an individual and is not a part of normal development or culture. The recognition and understanding of mental health conditions has changed over time and across cultures, and there are still variations in the definition, assessment, and classification of mental disorders, although standard guideline criteria are widely accepted.

Currently, mental disorders are conceptualized as disorders of brain circuits likely caused by developmental processes shaped by a complex interplay of genetics and experience.[sup][1][/sup] In other words, the genetics of mental illness may really be the genetics of brain development, with different outcomes possible, depending on the biological and environmental context.[sup][1][/sup]

 

[antonlavey]

A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern associated with distress or disability that occurs in an individual and is not a part of normal development or culture. The recognition and understanding of mental health conditions has changed over time and across cultures, and there are still variations in the definition, assessment, and classification of mental disorders, although standard guideline criteria are widely accepted.

Currently, mental disorders are conceptualized as disorders of brain circuits likely caused by developmental processes shaped by a complex interplay of genetics and experience.[sup][1][/sup] In other words, the genetics of mental illness may really be the genetics of brain development, with different outcomes possible, depending on the biological and environmental context.[sup][1][/sup]

 

[theta]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by Theta

i lost all respect for the DSM when they classified alcoholism as a disease. its @!#!*@ ridiculous.

Addiction is a mental illness. But a lot of people that call themselves alcoholics really aren't. Unless you're drinking a handle of vodka a day, losing your family/job  because of the habit, and go through some serious withdrawal symptoms you're NOT an alcoholic. There are criteria in the DSM to qualify as a true addict.

  

i disagree entirely that addiction is a mental illness. on what grounds can you justify that?

also if you read my post on another person's post about his buddy being an alcoholic, i said the EXACT same thing that you just said about people falsely being classified by their peers as an alcoholic.

Addiction is a disease of the brain, a little google search on the neuropathology of addiction should clear things up. It's not like I'm saying something ground breaking. Unless everything I've been taught about the brain, neurochemistry/pharmacology/addiction/human behavior to this point has been a lie.

Ofcourse there are different severities and some drugs are more addicting/habit forming than others. It's all governed by the brain's addiction/pleasure centers, which are also responsible for the withdrawal symptoms you experience from discontinued usage.

It's common knowledge bro....eg. nicotine addiction is governed by the brain

http://www2.aaap.org/

Ok i know everything that you had already posted and lol i know addiction has to do with the brain. I have an issue of how mental illness is defined. It cant just be classified as a mental illness because it has to do with the brain (in that case, all illnesses are a subset of mental illness). As a result, the term becomes too broad and looses meaning. I just dont think you can say that because something involves the brain (as any type of physical response ultimately does). Lol by that definition, erectile dysfunction is a "mental disorder".

So what do you think we should classify it as? Let's hear it. Read what I posted about the connections between other mental illnesses and addiction. I don't know where else addiction would fall in subsets of illnesses, if you have a better term please do share.

I don't see why addiction needs to be placed into another category. Why cant addiction be its own, independent set in the same way that breaking your arm would fall under an independent set? I do recognize that there are connections between these, however I think the term mental illnesses should be limited to illnesses that are entirely or almost entirely mentally. Although addiction may ultimately stem from reactions in the brain (as do many, many other conditions), it is primarily characterized by physical implications (whether they be the craving for another dose, or the withdrawals that they incur).

An example of a purely mental illness would be something like bipolar disorder given that its implications almost all solely take place in the brain.

Just a thought.