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fixed. Or, better yet: "for now Apple has the best product in the field that doesn't support Flash, so they are treading water until HTML5 comes out."
Apple Won.
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quik1987
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Just from an education standpoint this thing is a beast.
College Students
Carry 5 Heavy !#$ textbooks $100 a piece or $500 iPad that you can download interactive textbooks on with video, built in quizzes access to the internet, dictionary etc
Textbook Publishers
Spend lots of money on printing, shipping, labour for thousands of textbooks or pay a developer to make a textbook app that can be distributed and updated electronically for a fraction of the cost and profit more.
Environmentalist
Print textbooks, and use fuel to transport, or save trees and fuel for delivery
This was not possible before on the iPhone because it's screen is too small to be functional as a book
This was not possible before on a laptop in a SIMPLISTIC fashion
The iPad has ALREADY been widely adopted (sales) (seton hill U)
Therefore because it was able to do these things together all at once, it is REVOLUTIONARY
was the automobile not revolutionary because the wheel and engine had previously been developed? no, it was revolutionary because it was able to package these thing TOGETHER in a way that was CONVENIENT and WIDELY ADOPTED by many.
HP which runs windows 7 does not have a SIMPLE and UNIFIED place to acquire these textbooks apps and other MEDIA content. Android does not have an equivalent to iTunes/iTunes bookstore either. They can't distribute content as effectively as apple can. SIMPLY!
Because of this, there is no central place for windows and android developers to distribute their content.
College Students
Carry 5 Heavy !#$ textbooks $100 a piece or $500 iPad that you can download interactive textbooks on with video, built in quizzes access to the internet, dictionary etc
Textbook Publishers
Spend lots of money on printing, shipping, labour for thousands of textbooks or pay a developer to make a textbook app that can be distributed and updated electronically for a fraction of the cost and profit more.
Environmentalist
Print textbooks, and use fuel to transport, or save trees and fuel for delivery
This was not possible before on the iPhone because it's screen is too small to be functional as a book
This was not possible before on a laptop in a SIMPLISTIC fashion
The iPad has ALREADY been widely adopted (sales) (seton hill U)
Therefore because it was able to do these things together all at once, it is REVOLUTIONARY
was the automobile not revolutionary because the wheel and engine had previously been developed? no, it was revolutionary because it was able to package these thing TOGETHER in a way that was CONVENIENT and WIDELY ADOPTED by many.
HP which runs windows 7 does not have a SIMPLE and UNIFIED place to acquire these textbooks apps and other MEDIA content. Android does not have an equivalent to iTunes/iTunes bookstore either. They can't distribute content as effectively as apple can. SIMPLY!
Because of this, there is no central place for windows and android developers to distribute their content.
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Give us one example from each of the arenas you just mentioned. You're going down rowenarrow's path, arguing about the present while all of your evidence is speculation about the future. I need something concrete. So, for my sake, make a legitimate argument and let him talk about HTML5. Convince me to spend $1000 for one year of iPad. And please spare me the virtual magazine argument. I have no reason to download entire magazines when I can just read the articles online. That's not revolutionizing print media; that's revolutionizing the font and column layout of a magazine. You flick through pages, I click "next." If that's revolutionary then Heinz revolutionized lunch by putting ketchup in a squeeze bottle.
edit: didn't even read who I was quoting. You ARE rowenarrow, so it would figure you'd repeat the same argument. I can't believe I just dignified your post w/a response. Go back to reading SLAM, I don't want to interrupt you while you're learning about Melo's newest tat. Honestly, the fact that you're reading SLAM on an iPad just wrecked any chance you had of convincing me that this was a legit game-changer. Feel free to respond but I'm done. Come back w/a story about your weekend and how the iPad was so illy that the honeys didn't even notice your crispy white Ones and your new Yankee fitted w/the 6 1/4 tag still on the bill.
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I brought up those two particular points because those are the two that I feel are most important as far as changing how we visualize and interact with information. The screen size (plus advanced processors and other internal technical stuff) is what will separate this from just being another iTouch. Developers now have a lot more room to work with and I think people are really underestimating just how important that is to application development. Just like it wouldn't have worked to put a king size bed, a dining set, and a pool table in your college dorm room, it wouldn't have worked to develop some of these applications on the iTouch. That's where the innovation is going to come from; how the developers use this extra space in conjunction with the multi-touch, the wi-fi, the accelerometer, etc.
I agree with you though that the iPad will not be a content generator. Not at all. Outside of maybe using it to type documents (using bluetooth keyboards), I can't imagine using this thing to create anything as efficiently as I could on a computer. I am purely arguing for the iPad's content consumption.
edit: By the way, there is no doubt in my mind HTML5 will be widely adopted. How could anyone doubt that? HTML is the standard language of the internet. Proprietary plug-in's will be a thing of the past. It's really just a matter of time now. Flash, Silverlight, Java will all be things of the past.
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I see what you're saying but when you look @portability, multi-touch and screen size, one of those 3 has to be dropped when it comes time to actually use an app. You can't walk around using multi-touch, its too big. So you can stay in one place, set the iPad down and use multi-touch. Or you can be on the move and admire the large screen.
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how do you plan on selling back your books? how do you plan on getting used books? you really think they are going to lower their prices? lol @ that.
look at the kindle, the nook, hell even the ipad. publishers are *****ing and crying about not making money and they want higher prices.
in a perfect world, ebook readers and ipads would help out students a lot. but it's not a perfect world. publishers are greedy. they aren't going to change their model over night that has worked for them for years
quik1987
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it'll be widely adopted, but till when? 2015? 2020? it's great that apple has made their products future proof (well, not from them) you have the ipad now, and it should handle the current tech, the current language.
this is all some BS beef jobs has with adobe that he's passing onto the consumer. look @ what he did to developers. locked them out from using adobe programs..why? probably some BS excuse
Maybe Jobs has some inside info as to when HTML5 will be ready?
Seriously though, I completely agree that currently it should support Flash and it does suck that it doesn't. I guess for myself, I just don't see it as being that huge of a hit against the iPad as a whole to completely discount it.
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it is a huge hit.
especially when apple sits there and says it'll be the best web experience you'll have.
when they themselves PHOTOSHOPPED a picture over a blue lego on press pictures.
You don't have any textbooks laying around you weren't able to sell because a new edition came out or they stopped using it? What would you rather have, 50 lbs collecting dust, or an iPad, that you could probably sell.
I agree that publishers are greedy, but why wouldn't they charge less when it's cheaper for them to produce and distribute?
because they know people will buy either way, that's why. we both know it's less to produce and distribute. hell, they know. but they aren't going to change.
especially when apple sits there and says it'll be the best web experience you'll have.
when they themselves PHOTOSHOPPED a picture over a blue lego on press pictures.
You don't have any textbooks laying around you weren't able to sell because a new edition came out or they stopped using it? What would you rather have, 50 lbs collecting dust, or an iPad, that you could probably sell.
I agree that publishers are greedy, but why wouldn't they charge less when it's cheaper for them to produce and distribute?
because they know people will buy either way, that's why. we both know it's less to produce and distribute. hell, they know. but they aren't going to change.
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I can only speak from my personal experience but the majority of my classes have been taught w/the use of readers and/or journals. You would have to convince the professors to put this stuff online in a nice package for it to be useful. If I'm choosing between a $60 reader and 90 separate .pdfs, I'm taking the reader every time. Publishers can't make more money than they already do. If anything, going digital will expose them to piracy and their business model - which is already terrible - will be jeopardized. And environmentalists aren't real people so I'm going to ignore that argument.
All my hating aside, you made some really strong points and gave me a concrete example to work with. Thank you. I have to agree with your assessment of the current literature marketplace. Right now Apple is benefiting from the same type of diffused competition that allowed Microsoft to solidify its standing in the business world. The most tangible criticism I have of your example is how students will physically use any tablet in a classroom. You can't put it on your desk and hunch over it, and even if you did there wouldn't probably be a mean glare. And most auditoriums don't have seating w/a lot of space to rest your tablet against your desk while its in your lap. I think that's the laptop's greatest advantage right now. The fact that I can look at a screen w/o touching it or making any changes in my posture.
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For $600 up front and $360/yr, this thing needs to bring me South Park, Hulu and ESPN (in their entirety). Simple as that. I'm going to go back to watching South Park, you guys continue reading SLAM and we'll both be childish and blissfully ignorant.
quik1987
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BTW there is a Wifi version that does not require you to pay $360 a year
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-looks at biodegradable cup-
shatterkneesinc
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apple fanboys cant be reasoned with
so why waste time and effort
let them waste their money
so why waste time and effort
let them waste their money
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I loathe me some Star Trek but if that little notebook folder thingy can withstand any serious weight/pressure then I have a hard time arguing w/the functionality of an iPad. I refuse to believe that people will start bringing all out plastic easels into classrooms, but that looks compact and useful. I'm giving the padded cover/easel an A-.
Will be interesting to see if there is a Flash workaround. I'd be able to live w/myself if I owned an iPad that supported Flash, even if it couldn't multi-task. Makes no sense that either of these are an issue in the 21st century. I'm probably reaching here but I think the R.J. Pittman hire may be part of the reason why HTML5 isn't further along and gaining traction w/mainstream websites. Straws, I know.
By all means, continue to prove me wrong on the iPad. I want nothing more than to add to the list of devices that I can improve my quality of life with.
Will be interesting to see if there is a Flash workaround. I'd be able to live w/myself if I owned an iPad that supported Flash, even if it couldn't multi-task. Makes no sense that either of these are an issue in the 21st century. I'm probably reaching here but I think the R.J. Pittman hire may be part of the reason why HTML5 isn't further along and gaining traction w/mainstream websites. Straws, I know.
By all means, continue to prove me wrong on the iPad. I want nothing more than to add to the list of devices that I can improve my quality of life with.
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Girlfriend got hers today, complete trash (she agrees but she has the money to blow so no biggie) There is NOTHING this thing can do that i can't do just as easily on my laptop. E-Books? @#$% outta here, and i don't care for touch screen, I'd rather press buttons.
It's pretty and keeps children amused, that's it. Don't waste your money yall
It's pretty and keeps children amused, that's it. Don't waste your money yall
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Digital distribution rarely has been proven to lower the price it only raises profit margins
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