butchu worried?I say papa as a joke, older heads say it more often in everyday conversation.
Ehhh what Dominicans think is the last thing I worry about.
What in the world happened to this thread?
What should have been both a condemnation of Representative Jon Hubbard and a discussion about enslavement predictably transformed into an attack on Ninjahood and his defense of his ethnicity.
On the one hand, I sympathize with those calling you out, Ninja. Their criticism of you comes from a desire to construct a political project in which the non-white majority unite against the oppression of white rule. This project dates back to at least the early 20th century when folks like W.E.B. Du Bois observed that the negro problem was part of a larger history of the oppression of the darker proletariat. The point in stressing the global dimensions of racism and highlighting its particularities was to form a coalition among Filipinos, Black Americans, brothers and sisters of the Caribbean, the "yellow races" of Asia and either use political forums such as the League of Nations or the UN to vocalize discontent or pick up arms.
The NT's who criticize you, Ninja, are frustrated with your stubborn denial that 95% of the time human beings remain a perception. That is, the people you walk past on the streets of NY will never get to know YOU. They will never know your heritage, the fact that your family owns property in DR, that you are a member of NT, etc. All they will see is your skin color. Indeed, it is often the case that ethnicity or cultural heritage cannot be worn on your face. People criticize you because you don't accept that in the eyes of dominant culture, your skin color takes precedence over everything else. Obviously your class identity complicates this matter but I've never met you so I can't speculate on how that intersection plays out.
At the same time, the rest of you are just as dogmatic and even more ignorant than Ninja. To insist on being Latino is not deny "1/2 of your entire being." To acknowledge ones ethnicity is not to "identify with the slave owner." To differentiate between a Latino cultural identity and a Black racial identity is not an outgrowth of the "amount of incest that goes on in the DR." These comments are completely offensive and force Ninja into a defensive posture that militates against solidarity of the oppressed.
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I see a larger problem here, though. We as black Americans are always looking to build alliances with people who do not wish to receive our invitation. If Ninja, or anyone else for that matter, does not wish to subsume his ethnicity to a common identity rooted in oppression then forget him. Stop trying to extend an umbrella to some one who prefers to walk in the rain. Moreover, we need to develop a more analytically rigorous platform that stops propagating this mythical blood-based connection; a thesis looks to balance the idea of cultural retention with cultural syncretism. And most importantly, an analysis that is so pejorative to other groups that only toxic critiques of others hold us together.
And good hair, white is right...who is that supposed to offend?
Stop acting like y'all ain't last on the new urban totem pole.
Brothers snatch y'all females with a mere stare and a head nod.
Mad latinas these days are on their "I don't mess with Spanish guys" steez and they don't mean they don't mess with all Hispanic cats....just _s like you.
This ain't 1892 no more blood. That colonial superiority theory been dead.
I guess
So is your take away point, as it always seems to be, that only Afro-Latinos can weigh in on this discussion? That only African-Americans can talk about the question of African heritage?
You want hood rats cause the only females that be on that "Steez" are exactly that. Take them. Take our trash.
You mean ninja, MMG, or me? If MMG was trolling, then you were right to call him out. But I saw your comments rejecting MMG on the absence of a shared identity.
I already knew most of this but it's a great video. Straight Ether on the loyalty the Dominican, Cuban, and Puerto Rican culture has to Spain.
I'm Portuguese/Spanish, straight from Europe, my ancestors are to blame for this. My mom came here in the early 80's and many of her friends were Church going Caribbean-Latin people due to the fact they spoke the same language and had the same religion. My mom is as white as you can look, light brow-hair, pale skin - some of her Caribbean friends could easily have been mistaken for Black, others were much darker than her - she stood out. One thing she noticed was how racist they were tho, especially to African-Americans. She couldn't understand it, it would actually amuse her.
My grandparents were racist but I don't blame them, they fell to historical propaganda in the middle of the mountains in Spain. They weren't educated and they did not travel but so many of the Caribbean-Latino's people I knew reminded me of my grandparents - and these Latinos are running around with a hell of a lot more African blood than Europeans blood.
Basically what I'm saying is - as integrated and diverse the Caribbean/Latino culture is - Spain won, the Spanish (Slaveowner mentality) is still at the hierarchy of these Caribbean-Latino cultures.
Ask Sammy Sosa
The Spanish Royal Family - They won.
And good hair, white is right...who is that supposed to offend?
Stop acting like y'all ain't last on the new urban totem pole.
Brothers snatch y'all females with a mere stare and a head nod.
Mad latinas these days are on their "I don't mess with Spanish guys" steez and they don't mean they don't mess with all Hispanic cats....just _s like you.
This ain't 1892 no more blood. That colonial superiority theory been dead.
everyone just ignored this lol. you dont think the terrible condition of most of Africa is a direct result of the looting and plundering of the continent?
I lost. All respect for you Edwin like all of it .
I'm not upset over Ninjahood's opinion.
He has every right to embrace his Latino heritage and cultural identity its just the racism that many Dominicans have towards other ethnicities that poses a problem.
Puerto Ricans are very culturally proud as well but they display far less xenophobia and cultural isolation.
You were just trolling talking about white is right and your good hair.
Own it.
Stop throwing rocks and hiding your hands like a coward.
Another poster had the same background as you but he added something to the discussion, unlike you.
I already knew most of this but it's a great video. Straight Ether on the loyalty the Dominican, Cuban, and Puerto Rican culture has to Spain.
I'm Portuguese/Spanish, straight from Europe, my ancestors are to blame for this. My mom came here in the early 80's and many of her friends were Church going Caribbean-Latin people due to the fact they spoke the same language and had the same religion. My mom is as white as you can look, light brow-hair, pale skin - some of her Caribbean friends could easily have been mistaken for Black, others were much darker than her - she stood out. One thing she noticed was how racist they were tho, especially to African-Americans. She couldn't understand it, it would actually amuse her.
My grandparents were racist but I don't blame them, they fell to historical propaganda in the middle of the mountains in Spain. They weren't educated and they did not travel but so many of the Caribbean-Latino's people I knew reminded me of my grandparents - and these Latinos are running around with a hell of a lot more African blood than Europeans blood.
Basically what I'm saying is - as integrated and diverse the Caribbean/Latino culture is - Spain won, the Spanish (Slaveowner mentality) is still at the hierarchy of these Caribbean-Latino cultures.
Ask Sammy Sosa
The Spanish Royal Family - They won.
What in the world happened to this thread?
What should have been both a condemnation of Representative Jon Hubbard and a discussion about enslavement predictably transformed into an attack on Ninjahood and his defense of his ethnicity.
On the one hand, I sympathize with those calling you out, Ninja. Their criticism of you comes from a desire to construct a political project in which the non-white majority unite against the oppression of white rule. This project dates back to at least the early 20th century when folks like W.E.B. Du Bois observed that the negro problem was part of a larger history of the oppression of the darker proletariat. The point in stressing the global dimensions of racism and highlighting its particularities was to form a coalition among Filipinos, Black Americans, brothers and sisters of the Caribbean, the "yellow races" of Asia and either use political forums such as the League of Nations or the UN to vocalize discontent or pick up arms.
The NT's who criticize you, Ninja, are frustrated with your stubborn denial that 95% of the time human beings remain a perception. That is, the people you walk past on the streets of NY will never get to know YOU. They will never know your heritage, the fact that your family owns property in DR, that you are a member of NT, etc. All they will see is your skin color. Indeed, it is often the case that ethnicity or cultural heritage cannot be worn on your face. People criticize you because you don't accept that in the eyes of dominant culture, your skin color takes precedence over everything else. Obviously your class identity complicates this matter but I've never met you so I can't speculate on how that intersection plays out.
At the same time, the rest of you are just as dogmatic and even more ignorant than Ninja. To insist on being Latino is not deny "1/2 of your entire being." To acknowledge ones ethnicity is not to "identify with the slave owner." To differentiate between a Latino cultural identity and a Black racial identity is not an outgrowth of the "amount of incest that goes on in the DR." These comments are completely offensive and force Ninja into a defensive posture that militates against solidarity of the oppressed.
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I see a larger problem here, though. We as black Americans are always looking to build alliances with people who do not wish to receive our invitation. If Ninja, or anyone else for that matter, does not wish to subsume his ethnicity to a common identity rooted in oppression then forget him. Stop trying to extend an umbrella to some one who prefers to walk in the rain. Moreover, we need to develop a more analytically rigorous platform that stops propagating this mythical blood-based connection; a thesis looks to balance the idea of cultural retention with cultural syncretism. And most importantly, an analysis that is so pejorative to other groups that only toxic critiques of others hold us together.
Well said. I'm out of upvotes though.
