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No, I doubt you were alive in the 40's either, and yes that is when it started. I know, and am not backing down from my statement. I see you offered nocounter argument, yet denounced mine.
Damn. Never knew what the Reagan hype was all about...
No, I doubt you were alive in the 40's either, and yes that is when it started. I know, and am not backing down from my statement. I see you offered nocounter argument, yet denounced mine.
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why would i argue with someone who just said reagan was in office when the cold war happened to end? you are already wrong before you even started.dude was outof office for over 2 years when it crumbled. i was alive and can remember when he was in office and when it ended and whether you like it or not his policiesand actions helped secure the fate of the ussr.
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Hmmm 1987 he was in office until 89.....And my argument is flawed.
Kennedy, Carter, and even Nixon had to do less with more. It is a well known fact that it was much more Gorbachev, then it was Reagan.
By your definition every president dating back to the forties led us through tumultuous times
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bro you just said he happened to be in office when it ended. like i just happened to walk outside today and it was raining.Originally Posted by kix4kix
Hmmm 1987 he was in office until 89.....And my argument is flawed.
Kennedy, Carter, and even Nixon had to do less with more. It is a well known fact that it was much more Gorbachev, then it was Reagan.
By your definition every president dating back to the forties led us through tumultuous times
he wasnt even in office. you are arguing because you have some bias against the guy. probably some bs rhetoric that someone uneducated about the situation fedyou. why are you trying to debate this when you dont even know the basic circumstances surrounding it?
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Reagan promoted the "Welfare Queen".
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I don't know the basis around what? I have established reasons for my logic you have not.
My education is neither your business or significant in this argument you claim I was "fed" information. Yes debate, and reading published texts inregards to this subject in college is me being "fed" information.
Your logic for thinking he was a "Great President" is he got us through the cold war?
did not every president since World War 2 since Sputnik not do the same? Nixon is terrific? Is Carter?....Perhaps Truman?
My education is neither your business or significant in this argument you claim I was "fed" information. Yes debate, and reading published texts inregards to this subject in college is me being "fed" information.
Your logic for thinking he was a "Great President" is he got us through the cold war?
did not every president since World War 2 since Sputnik not do the same? Nixon is terrific? Is Carter?....Perhaps Truman?
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Reagan is credited with actually ending the cold war even though it crumbled during Bush 1. it was Reagan's policies that brought the soviet union down.
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Originally Posted by nnarum
Because your favorite rapper said so?Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka
Reagan is not something to marvel about
Why would you say rapper?
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you arent even reading. i never said he was a great president. i even said i DID NOT like the guy. i just gave you a reason of why people considerhim to be great. stop projecting your ill feelings about the dude onto me.
and for your last question. kennedy averted a war. when reagan was in office it was a flat out race as to who was going to build the biggest army with the mostnuclear weapons and where they were going to be placed. it was just as scary as the cuban missle crisis yet at the same time stimulated the american economywhile helping crush theirs. he was the one dude who bascially told the ussr that he didnt give a %#!! about them and that they posed no threat. he encourageddemocracy over there and in east germany. did he single handedly take down the berlin wall or the ussr? No. but he did affect it and people will ALWAYS lovehim for that.
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http://www.brookings.edu/...4/0801russia_talbott.aspx
read just that summary and you will get the general idea of what im trying to say. he helped/influenced gorbachev during the mid-late 80s. this all led to thedismantling of the ussr.
in times like that, the people of a country need someone to look to for leadership and for confidence. he was that guy. he fulfilled that role beautifully. hesnot the bastard that many will have you believe, thats all im trying to say.
read just that summary and you will get the general idea of what im trying to say. he helped/influenced gorbachev during the mid-late 80s. this all led to thedismantling of the ussr.
in times like that, the people of a country need someone to look to for leadership and for confidence. he was that guy. he fulfilled that role beautifully. hesnot the bastard that many will have you believe, thats all im trying to say.
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to the poster above. i understand u referencing actual articles but u guys gotta stop w yr cut and paste arguments. to explain yr opinions
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i didnt cut and paste anything except that link. go ahead and explain your opinion
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You come at me for assuming things, and then claim I have ill feelings towards him?
Already stated he was a GREAT man, doesn't mean great president.
There was the same nuke race when Kennedy was president, Nixon, carter, all of the above. Doesn't mean they were great presidents.
Bush had to deal with Iraq does that make him great?
Already stated he was a GREAT man, doesn't mean great president.
There was the same nuke race when Kennedy was president, Nixon, carter, all of the above. Doesn't mean they were great presidents.
Bush had to deal with Iraq does that make him great?
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it was not the same nuke race as it was with the other presidents. and even so, they didnt do anything successful to end it and reagan did. yeahim gonna come at you when you keep saying things like "bush had to deal with iraq"
i know you probably dont like what reagan did socially and neither do i. but you should not compare the cold war and the monumental build up by both countriesto a botched invasion in iraq. iraq was never a direct threat to the USA.
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I wasn't comparing their situations, I was stating that giving credit for a President "ending" something that he neither started, nor reallyfinished is ridiculous.
Some would argue, that Soviets weren't a legitimate threat during his terms.
I have no qualms with Reagan as you claim. Name 1 policy he had that changed America?
All I can note is his slashing of programs that crippled low-income families. And him taking from the poor and giving to the wealthy.
It is obvious I will not change your opinion, and you will not change mine.
A great speaker does not mean a great president.
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you dont need to change my opinion. i dont think he was a great president. i was simply stating why the majority of people do think he was a great president
its no different than why people still regard JFK as one of the best. he spoke well and represented the country well. thats what people want in a presidenteven though they might not say it.
and as for stealing from the poor, he cut taxes at all income levels. but he also cut welfare so you can look at that however you want. but keep in mind at thesame time millions of jobs were created while the guy was in office. he didnt exactly destroy the economy as some people would have you believe but there was ahuge deficit as a result of it all
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wrong. you can directly credit civil rights and the moon landing to jfk.
under reagan the gap between the poor and rich was widened.
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Can someone break down what Republicans used to stand for?
I understand they didn't used to be the douches that they are now...
I understand they didn't used to be the douches that they are now...
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you can not directly credit civil rights to jfk.
and the moon landing? oh man he saved the country with that one
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i cant believe you just said civil rights can be directly attributed to jfk.
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They used to stand for what Reagan said in his speech. Less government involvement.
Hence cutting social programs ect.
They used to care about NOT getting involved in your life now they are the exact opposite.
They want to tell you when to have sex, abort, and who to marry.
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who do you think set the president to have laws changed.Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril
i cant believe you just said civil rights can be directly attributed to jfk.
jfk
and it was carred out by lbj.
and you can laugh about the moon landing,but that just shows your lack of knowledge.
it had a great impact on this country and the world.
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this is basically true. less government. strong military. strong family values.
that is why republicans hold reagan in high regard. he was the last republican president to adhere to these principles.
