Damn. Never knew what the Reagan hype was all about...

[in yo nostril]

Originally Posted by kix4kix

and the moon landing? oh man he saved the country with that one

According to your logic it was instrumental in the Cold War, and the Soviet threat

exactly my point. the space race was a product of the cold war. again you are coming at me like im knocking kennedy for this. what im saying is that a lot ofpeople who will knock reagan for the cold war will praise kennedy for going to the moon. pretty odd to me

 

[therealjondoe]

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htm

civil rights ^^^

 

[in yo nostril]

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

i cant believe you just said civil rights can be directly attributed to jfk.

and you can laugh about the moon landing,but that just shows your lack of knowledge.
it had a great impact on this country and the world.

as did reagans hand in ending the cold war and in the liberation of the ussr and east germany.

 

[kix4kix]

When did I knock you? I was agreeing with the fact it was instrumental in the cold War

You claimed it was insignificant, and minimized it, yet amped Reagan up Who knocks Reagan for the cold war????

 

[in yo nostril]

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htm

you can stop posting links

im not saying he didnt play a role in civil rights. but to give him direct credit for the civil rights movement????

 

[therealjondoe]

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm/http://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htm

you can stop posting links

im not saying he didnt play a role in civil rights. but to give him direct credit for the civil rights movement????

maybe you should go back and read.
he was a big part of it.
ask your grandparents kid

 

[in yo nostril]

Originally Posted by kix4kix

When did I knock you? I was agreeing with the fact it was instrumental in the cold War

Who knocks Reagan for the cold war????

when did i say that you knocked me? i just said that people like the guy posting right now will come quick with the "kennedy took us to the moon"talk but will disregard that reagan played a major role in the liberation of communist countries.

 

[therealjondoe]

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa083001a.htmhttp://usgovinfo.about.co...rary/weekly/aa083001a.htm

^^info on the "space race" for those that are interested

 

[in yo nostril]

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm/http://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htm

you can stop posting links

im not saying he didnt play a role in civil rights. but to give him direct credit for the civil rights movement????

maybe you should go back and read.
he was a big part of it.
ask your grandparents kid

so did malcolm x but im not in here saying he gets direct credit for civil rights.

 

[therealjondoe]

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by kix4kix

When did I knock you? I was agreeing with the fact it was instrumental in the cold War

Who knocks Reagan for the cold war????

when did i say that you knocked me? i just said that people like the guy posting right now will come quick with the "kennedy took us to the moon" talk but will disregard that reagan played a major role in the liberation of communist countries.

where did i say that.
i said he widend the poverty gap.

you said somthing like "people liked jfk because he was a good speaker"

 

[in yo nostril]

Originally Posted by kix4kix

When did I knock you? I was agreeing with the fact it was instrumental in the cold War

You claimed it was insignificant, and minimized it, yet amped Reagan up Who knocks Reagan for the cold war????

dude. your attitude is blinding you.

i clearly said earlier that people love presidents like reagan and kennedy for events like that. im saying I DONT. im laughing at the people who will point toKennedy as a great leader because of the space race yet at the same time will probably knock reagan because they think he was a terrible president.

i already said that for presidents they were both great at leading the country when the country really needed it. as a figurehead and as a person to look to intimes of peril

 

[therealjondoe]

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htmhttp://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm/http://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm/http://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm/http://www.historylearnin...nedy_and_civil_rights.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htmhttp://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/jfk.htm

you can stop posting links

im not saying he didnt play a role in civil rights. but to give him direct credit for the civil rights movement????

maybe you should go back and read.
he was a big part of it.
ask your grandparents kid

so did malcolm x but im not in here saying he gets direct credit for civil rights.

Ending Racial Discrimination

During Kennedy's Presidential Inaugural address in 1961, he promised to end racial discrimination. During Kennedy's time in office, he appointedblack people to many federal positions. No other president had done that in the past. President Kennedy appointed about forty Blacks to administrative postssuch as Administrator of the Housing and Home Finance Agency, Associate White House Press Secretary, and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for PublicAffairs. He also selected five black federal judges, giving hope to Black Americans that more important jobs will go to Blacks.

Ending Discrimination on Buses

In 1960, a Supreme Court Decision ruled that segregation was illegal in bus stations that were open to interstate travel. Civil rights activists startedtaking Freedom Rides. This meant that black and white people, Freedom Riders, wouldtravel around the South in buses to test if the new law worked. In some places, like Alabama, people would attack the Freedom Riders because they didn'twant to change. President Kennedy supported the Freedom Riders. By the fall of 1961, the Interstate Commerce Commission further helped civil rights by sayingall seating in interstate buses would be "without reference to race, color, or creed" and that all terminals would be integrated. This means thateveryone can sit wherever they want on a bus even if they look different or believe in something other than what most people do.

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[font=Arial, Helvetica]Ending Discrimination in Housing[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]Discrimination in housing was another civil rights issue in the 1960's. Many blacks lived in poor areas. Most banks,realtors, and homeowners would not sell nicer homes in white neighborhoods to blacks. Blacks were stuck living in poor areas. In 1960, a Civil Rightscommission report said 57% of all non-white housing was below standards. Kennedy's Executive Order #11063 tried to correct the black housing problem in1962 by banning racial discrimination in housing.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]Ending Discrimination in Voting[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]Many black people were not allowed to vote in the1960's because the white people in the South used any excuse to not allow them to register to vote. They required people to pass a test and pay money tovote (a poll tax). You have to register to be able to vote. Without voting, Blacks had no power. Kennedy tried to get more Blacks registered to vote bysupporting students to go and register black voters in the South. He thought that if Blacks could vote, they could change laws and the people who governedthem. More government people would then help the Blacks because they would want the black people to vote for them.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]Ending Discrimination in Education[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]School segregation was another civilrights issue. In many places Whites and Blacks were not allowed to go to the same schools. School desegregation is when people are trying to put Whites andBlacks into the same school so they don't have to have separate schools. They

were trying to put them in the same school so that Blacks would be able to be treated the same as Whites.President John F. Kennedy helped support the people who wanted desegregation, like James Meredith and black students at the University of Alabama.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]James Meredith, a black man, wanted to go to an all-white school called the University of Mississippi. It was not surprisingthat the school objected. With the backing of the NAACP, Meredith sued the University of Mississippi and won. President John F. Kennedy told the department ofdefense to protect James Meredith when he went to the school. The day before he started college, riots were breaking out. Several hundred federal marshalsfought back with tear gas and nightsticks. The following day he started school. Justice Department Officers accompanied him to class. Meredith graduated with adegree in Political Science.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]In June 1963, Alabama's governor, George Wallace, tried to block two black students from entering the University ofAlabama by standing in front of the registration building door. Kennedy used the army to let the two Blacks enroll in the school. President Kennedy used thissituation to address civil ri

ghts as a "moral issue." He said: "It is as old as the scriptures and is as clear as the AmericanConstitution. The heart of the question is whether all Americans are to be afforded equal rights and equal opportunities, whether we are going to treat ourfellow Americans as we want to be treated. If an American, because his skin is dark, cannot eat lunch in a restaurant open to the public, if he cannot send hischildren to the best school available, if he cannot vote for the public officials who represent him, if, in short, he cannot enjoy the full and free life whichall of us want, then who among us would be content to have the color of his skin changed and stand in his place? Who among us would then be content with thecounsels of patience and delay?" Kennedy tried to make white people aware of the unfair way black Americans were being treated. He pointed out thatunequal treatment was against American religious and Constitutional morals. He asked for a quicker end to discrimination and also promised new civil rightslaws.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]The Civil Rights Act of 1964[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]One week later, President Kennedy told Congress that the new civil rights laws he proposed involve every American's rightto vote, to go to school, to get a job, and to be served in a public

place withoutarbitrary discrimination--rights which most Americans take for granted. In short, enactment of The Civil Rights Act of 1963 at this session of Congress is veryimportant. The Civil Rights Act of 1963 had eight sections and included laws to guarantee all people would have equal access to hotels, restaurants, and otherpublic places. The act also helped black voting rights and school desegregation.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]Sadly, President Kennedy didn't see his Civil Rights Act of 1963 become law. He was assassinated November 1963. The actbecame the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and after one year it was finally passed.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]During Kennedy's Inaugural address on January 20, 1961, he said, "All this will not be finished in the first hundreddays. Nor will it be finished in the first thousand days, nor in the lifetime of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But letus begin." The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a start to helping blacks and whites to be treated as equals.[/font]

nah,kennedy didnt do much

 

[in yo nostril]

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by kix4kix

When did I knock you? I was agreeing with the fact it was instrumental in the cold War

Who knocks Reagan for the cold war????

when did i say that you knocked me? i just said that people like the guy posting right now will come quick with the "kennedy took us to the moon" talk but will disregard that reagan played a major role in the liberation of communist countries.

where did i say that.
i said he widend the poverty gap.

you said somthing like "people liked jfk because he was a good speaker"

THEY DID. no one should be arguing that. Its the same reason that if you took a poll today, him or Reagan would probably be voted as the best president ever.Most people judge these people on how they lead the country, how they speak. How they handle times of distress. They tend to disregard that Reagan created aclass divide and the Kennedy didnt accomplish a whole lot (obviously not Kennedy's fault). Most people turn on the tv and want to see a man that willcomfort them and make them feel confident. Sadly that is how most presidents legacies are judged by the majority of people.

 

[barack 0drama]

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Originally Posted by Barack 0drama

Can someone break down what Republicans used to stand for?

I understand they didn't used to be the douches that they are now...

They used to stand for what Reagan said in his speech. Less government involvement.
Hence cutting social programs ect.

They used to care about NOT getting involved in your life now they are the exact opposite.
They want to tell you when to have sex, abort, and who to marry.

So smaller government?

What else?

 

[therealjondoe]

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by kix4kix

When did I knock you? I was agreeing with the fact it was instrumental in the cold War

Who knocks Reagan for the cold war????

when did i say that you knocked me? i just said that people like the guy posting right now will come quick with the "kennedy took us to the moon" talk but will disregard that reagan played a major role in the liberation of communist countries.

where did i say that.
i said he widend the poverty gap.

you said somthing like "people liked jfk because he was a good speaker"

THEY DID. no one should be arguing that. Its the same reason that if you took a poll today, him or Reagan would probably be voted as the best president ever. Most people judge these people on how they lead the country, how they speak. How they handle times of distress. They tend to disregard that Reagan created a class divide and the Kennedy didnt accomplish a whole lot (obviously not Kennedy's fault). Most people turn on the tv and want to see a man that will comfort them and make them feel confident. Sadly that is how most presidents legacies are judged by the majority of people.

yep kennedy sure didnt do much

 

[in yo nostril]

dude stop posting facts about kennedy from google. i told you he played a major role in civil rights but i laughed when you gave the guy direct credit for themovement when there were others that played even bigger roles. i find that funny. no offense to you.

 

[therealjondoe]

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

dude stop posting facts about kennedy from google. i told you he played a major role in civil rights but i laughed when you gave the guy direct credit for the movement when there were others that played even bigger roles. i find that funny. no offense to you.

i didnt give him total credit,but he was major.
and i have to post facts,there are plenty of kids that arent aware of his impact.

 

[in yo nostril]

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by kix4kix

When did I knock you? I was agreeing with the fact it was instrumental in the cold War

Who knocks Reagan for the cold war????

when did i say that you knocked me? i just said that people like the guy posting right now will come quick with the "kennedy took us to the moon" talk but will disregard that reagan played a major role in the liberation of communist countries.

where did i say that.
i said he widend the poverty gap.

you said somthing like "people liked jfk because he was a good speaker"

THEY DID. no one should be arguing that. Its the same reason that if you took a poll today, him or Reagan would probably be voted as the best president ever. Most people judge these people on how they lead the country, how they speak. How they handle times of distress. They tend to disregard that Reagan created a class divide and the Kennedy didnt accomplish a whole lot (obviously not Kennedy's fault). Most people turn on the tv and want to see a man that will comfort them and make them feel confident. Sadly that is how most presidents legacies are judged by the majority of people.

yep kennedy sure didnt do much

go ahead and break it down. tell me how he strengthened the economy. created jobs. revolutionized government. everything. go for it. the fact is that while heprobably would have been great for all races and classes, he passed too early.

so his legacy is going to the moon, helping with the framework for civil rights and giving speeches that captivated people and still captivate people to thisday. i will tell you he probably would have been the best president ever due to his intelligence and influence but we will never know. im not attacking youdude. im just saying that other presidents have accomplished more and thats no knock on jfk

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by Barack 0drama

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Originally Posted by Barack 0drama

Can someone break down what Republicans used to stand for?

I understand they didn't used to be the douches that they are now...

They used to stand for what Reagan said in his speech. Less government involvement.
Hence cutting social programs ect.

They used to care about NOT getting involved in your life now they are the exact opposite.
They want to tell you when to have sex, abort, and who to marry.

So smaller government?

What else?

Depends on how far back you want to go.

They used to stand for keeping The Union intact, and Federal importance over state separatism.

They did a 180 during civil rights legislation.

They also switched Geographically From the Northeast to the South East

 

[therealjondoe]

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by kix4kix

When did I knock you? I was agreeing with the fact it was instrumental in the cold War

Who knocks Reagan for the cold war????

when did i say that you knocked me? i just said that people like the guy posting right now will come quick with the "kennedy took us to the moon" talk but will disregard that reagan played a major role in the liberation of communist countries.

where did i say that.
i said he widend the poverty gap.

you said somthing like "people liked jfk because he was a good speaker"

THEY DID. no one should be arguing that. Its the same reason that if you took a poll today, him or Reagan would probably be voted as the best president ever. Most people judge these people on how they lead the country, how they speak. How they handle times of distress. They tend to disregard that Reagan created a class divide and the Kennedy didnt accomplish a whole lot (obviously not Kennedy's fault). Most people turn on the tv and want to see a man that will comfort them and make them feel confident. Sadly that is how most presidents legacies are judged by the majority of people.

yep kennedy sure didnt do much

go ahead and break it down. tell me how he strengthened the economy. created jobs. revolutionized government. everything. go for it. the fact is that while he probably would have been great for all races and classes, he passed too early.

so his legacy is going to the moon, helping with the framework for civil rights and giving speeches that captivated people and still captivate people to this day. i will tell you he probably would have been the best president ever due to his intelligence and influence but we will never know. im not attacking you dude. im just saying that other presidents have accomplished more and thats no knock on jfk

like reagan

 

[in yo nostril]

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by therealjondoe

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

Originally Posted by kix4kix

When did I knock you? I was agreeing with the fact it was instrumental in the cold War

Who knocks Reagan for the cold war????

when did i say that you knocked me? i just said that people like the guy posting right now will come quick with the "kennedy took us to the moon" talk but will disregard that reagan played a major role in the liberation of communist countries.

where did i say that.
i said he widend the poverty gap.

you said somthing like "people liked jfk because he was a good speaker"

THEY DID. no one should be arguing that. Its the same reason that if you took a poll today, him or Reagan would probably be voted as the best president ever. Most people judge these people on how they lead the country, how they speak. How they handle times of distress. They tend to disregard that Reagan created a class divide and the Kennedy didnt accomplish a whole lot (obviously not Kennedy's fault). Most people turn on the tv and want to see a man that will comfort them and make them feel confident. Sadly that is how most presidents legacies are judged by the majority of people.

yep kennedy sure didnt do much

go ahead and break it down. tell me how he strengthened the economy. created jobs. revolutionized government. everything. go for it. the fact is that while he probably would have been great for all races and classes, he passed too early.

so his legacy is going to the moon, helping with the framework for civil rights and giving speeches that captivated people and still captivate people to this day. i will tell you he probably would have been the best president ever due to his intelligence and influence but we will never know. im not attacking you dude. im just saying that other presidents have accomplished more and thats no knock on jfk

like reagan

he is very much like reagan with regards to the sheer amount of love that the people of america showed to both of them. clinton also was much like these twomen in this specific area. if that whole lewinsky thing had not occurred he would be right up there in most peoples minds, if hes not already

 

[ittakesalittlebitmore]

You guys argue like your lives depend on it, pathetic.
Reagan is EVIL, plain and simple....the truth is out there

 

[nnarum]

Originally Posted by SoHi 23

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka

Reagan is not something to marvel about

Because your favorite rapper said so?

Why would you say rapper?

Why not? That's the ONLY form of entertainment where I've heard people complaining about Reagan...

People need to form their own opinions... At taking that comment offensive

Some of you are way too oversensitive...

 

[nostrandave68]

People give JFK alot of credit for the civil rights movement but its actually RFK who had a more pivotal role since he was more hands on as Attorney Generaland had a much closer relationship to MLK than JFK. RFK often gets overlooked in terms of the civil rights movement but his involvement was very substantial... God Bless the Kennedy Family

 

[fede dpt]

Originally Posted by 916JORDANboy

Originally Posted by Deuce King

RIP to the dude... He was a good guy...

Lies.

Do good guys cut aid for homeless and mentally ill? i don't think so



Do you understand how much money was being spent and how much fraud was going on?

Originally Posted by theyhatinonme

Obama is actually following reganomics with his tax plan. Conservatives have nothing to complain about with Obama.

A little known fact about Regan is that he like to play with other peoples ear lobes.

Obama is not setting up Supply-Side economics. He is doing it in Reverse, "trickle-up" instead of "trickle-down".

Reagan was Evil.


I liked the comments you used to support that statement.

Can someone break down what Republicans used to stand for?


Small government
Less spending
Lower Taxes
Self-Entitlement

You guys argue like your lives depend on it, pathetic.
Reagan is EVIL, plain and simple....the truth is out there

Again, saying Reagan was evil, but ZERO supporting statements.