"Harvard-led team detects gravitational waves, evidence of cosmic inflation" Vol. Big Bang

[oidreez]

What do you guys think happens if somehow, someday they prove that the big bang happend. What happens to life ? Socially, and with religion and all that good stuff.

This is the question I want to know as well. What is the practical application to this discovery?

Go look up how many thing we use in your daily lives that we got from NASA research.

Then go in a corner an feel stupid

This guy. Whatever helps you sleep better at night. If I did your said research, why would I then go feel stupid? I never said it was wrong to research the universe. I know there are practical applications of space research. I'm not going to write a letter to Harvard telling them they should stop doing what they are doing. You should know by now you can't force someone to have the same opinion as you

Let me just wait for the thread where scientists get closer to finding a cure for cancer or aids

 

[blastercombo]

............. And?

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 

 

 

What do you guys think happens if somehow, someday they prove that the big bang happend. What happens to life ? Socially, and with religion and all that good stuff.

This is the question I want to know as well. What is the practical application to this discovery?

Go look up how many thing we use in your daily lives that we got from NASA research.

Then go in a corner an feel stupid

This guy. Whatever helps you sleep better at night. If I did your said research, why would I then go feel stupid? I never said it was wrong to research the universe. I know there are practical applications of space research. I'm not going to write a letter to Harvard telling them they should stop doing what they are doing. You should know by now you can't force someone to have the same opinion as you

Let me just wait for the thread where scientists get closer to finding a cure for cancer or aids

Why downplay the fact that Cancer and HIV/AIDS research is in full throttle? 

Your statement makes it sound like a scientist is a scientist is a scientist and all of the NASA types are just putting Cancer to the side so they can fart around trying to find out what happened to allow life for ALL LIVING THINGS to begin with.

 

[oidreez]

 

 

 

What do you guys think happens if somehow, someday they prove that the big bang happend. What happens to life ? Socially, and with religion and all that good stuff.

This is the question I want to know as well. What is the practical application to this discovery?

Go look up how many thing we use in your daily lives that we got from NASA research.


Then go in a corner an feel stupid

This guy. Whatever helps you sleep better at night. If I did your said research, why would I then go feel stupid? I never said it was wrong to research the universe. I know there are practical applications of space research. I'm not going to write a letter to Harvard telling them they should stop doing what they are doing. You should know by now you can't force someone to have the same opinion as you


Let me just wait for the thread where scientists get closer to finding a cure for cancer or aids

Why downplay the fact that Cancer and HIV/AIDS research is in full throttle? 

Your statement makes it sound like a scientist is a scientist is a scientist and all of the NASA types are just putting Cancer to the side so they can fart around trying to find out what happened to allow life for ALL LIVING THINGS to begin with.

Ok you make a valid point. Let us not detract from this discovery.

 

[nawghtyhare]

What a ******* waste of money

Not a waste of money as it lets us better understand the world we live in

What do you guys think happens if somehow, someday they prove that the big bang happend. What happens to life ? Socially, and with religion and all that good stuff.

For Life and society nothing will change. For religion it will be a how god did it.

Helps us better understand the world we live in???
Yet we still argue and fight and oppress others because of color, religion, sexual orientation, and other dumb stuff
Idk not tryna diminish what they did/doing
I just think we humans can be so short sighted sometimes

 

[tsx24]

Big Bang only tells what banged and roughly when it banged.

Im not religious, but we still have no clue how it banged and who banged it, only theories.

Pretty sure Tyrone banged it first

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 

Big Bang only tells what banged and roughly when it banged.

Im not religious, but we still have no clue how it banged and who banged it, only theories.

Pretty sure Tyrone banged it first

Alert the press... You've just explained "dark matter".

 

[danikerhino]

Wow, why are you guys talking about addressing poverty in the subject of breakthroughs in science. Things like this open opportunities up in the future for us. This is a step closer to answering the question about why the UNIVERSE EXIST. People judge science for paying for the poor when they probably don't donate **** their damnselves. If we all donated in NT we'd sure make a difference as well, you don't see me criticizing you for paying for getting yambs, cellphones, cars, and shoes. Yet you judge people who work to help us understand our existent and in the past applied their discoveries to all the technology and knowledge we take for granted today.

 

[acericoescobar]

Alert the press... You've just explained "dark matter".

lol what you did there I see it

But all jokes aside i'll be back for some clarification after school today, i've only got time to read responses not post any yet cuz i'm going to have some long ones with links provided as well, for ma mans that requested it

 

[nawghtyhare]

Wow, why are you guys talking about addressing poverty in the subject of breakthroughs in science. Things like this open opportunities up in the future for us. This is a step closer to answering the question about why the UNIVERSE EXIST. People judge science for paying for the poor when they probably don't donate **** their damnselves. If we all donated in NT we'd sure make a difference as well, you don't see me criticizing you for paying for getting yambs, cellphones, cars, and shoes. Yet you judge people who work to help us understand our existent and in the past applied their discoveries to all the technology and knowledge we take for granted today.

Man this discovery ain't gonna help us do ****
**** the government probably BEEN knew this but ain't said anything

 

[nazdrowie]

for those who are talking about fighting poverty and job creation, if a scientific advance is able to go as far as to create an industry (and quite a few have), well then talk about fighting poverty and creating jobs...

 

[wr]

^Word
it takes years before new discoveries/ inventions reach critical mass.

 

[Top Boy]

What do you guys think happens if somehow, someday they prove that the big bang happend. What happens to life ? Socially, and with religion and all that good stuff.

This is the question I want to know as well. What is the practical application to this discovery?

Don't you care about how we got here? Potentially who put us here and why?

Humanity occupies barely even a tick in terms of deep time on this planet if you want to relate it to a clock. Like homie said, advancements in scientific understanding of the universe is what will separate us from surviving, or fading out of history when we eventually run our resources dry/destroy ourselves.

This discovery led to a new molecule called the inflaton which is what was the driving force as the universe expanded faster than the speed of light. I don't know if you're big on physics or astronomy, but from our understanding nothing can move faster than the speed of light.

'Space' is that one exception. I think by now you can understand why this ish is important. If we could harness something like the inflaton we'd finally be able to scour the stars for Earth-like planets and potentially terraform near Earth-like planets for human colonization. I don't have a PhD in any of these fields so I'm just speculating as to the potential uses of the inflaton but I hope these Harvard/MIT/Whomever advancing our understand of science keep doing their thing with more funding.

 

[tizzle]

The quran and science



Maurice Bucaille was a french scientist who converted to Islam in response to the discovery of an old Egyptian Pharoah's body which was preserved impeccably well - a miracle which was explained in the Quran, upon discovering this, he converted to Islam.



The Author of the book "The developing Human" Written by Dr. Keith Moore writes in his textbook's introduction that the Quran, which was revealed 1400 years ago, does have a precise description of the developing Embryo....

His textbook is used as a standard textbook in medical schools across the United States and world. 

I'm telling you guys, the Quran is 100% the word of God and it does not contain conflicts with scientific discoveries.

 

[danikerhino]

Man this discovery ain't gonna help us do ****
**** the government probably BEEN knew this but ain't said anything

Lol how do you know the government knew about this and why would they even keep it a secret. If anything they would have shown off a discover as these scientist did. We don't immediate see the practical benefits from this discovery now but, who's to say their won't be any in the future (ie discovery of gravity: helicopter; artificial microwave waves: microwave; discovering the world is round: new countries; telescope: looking for extinction sized meteors, comets, and asteroids etc.).

 

[jordanxi45]

Don't you care about how we got here? Potentially who put us here and why?

Humanity occupies barely even a tick in terms of deep time on this planet if you want to relate it to a clock. Like homie said, advancements in scientific understanding of the universe is what will separate us from surviving, or fading out of history when we eventually run our resources dry/destroy ourselves.

This discovery led to a new molecule called the inflaton which is what was the driving force as the universe expanded faster than the speed of light. I don't know if you're big on physics or astronomy, but from our understanding nothing can move faster than the speed of light.

'Space' is that one exception. I think by now you can understand why this ish is important. If we could harness something like the inflaton we'd finally be able to scour the stars for Earth-like planets and potentially terraform near Earth-like planets for human colonization. I don't have a PhD in any of these fields so I'm just speculating as to the potential uses of the inflaton but I hope these Harvard/MIT/Whomever advancing our understand of science keep doing their thing with more funding.

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[fraij da 5 11]

The middle east used to be the intellectual center of the planet... Why you think so many of the stars have Arabic names?

That being said, starting a sentence with "The quran is 100% the word of God" is going to get you nowhere.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

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[h2]Health and medicine[edit][/h2][h3]Light-emitting diodes (LEDs) in medical therapies[edit][/h3]
After initial experiments using light-emitting diodes  in NASA space shuttle plant growth experiments, NASA issued a small business innovation grant that led to the development of a hand-held, high-intensity, LED unit developed by Quantum Devices Inc. that can be used to treat tumors after other treatment options are exhausted.[sup][4][/sup][sup]:10–11[/sup]  This therapy was approved by the FDA and inducted into the Space Foundation's Space Technology Hall of Fame in 2000.
[h3]Infrared ear thermometers[edit][/h3]
Diatek Corporation and NASA developed an aural thermometer  that measures the Thermal Radiation  emitted by the eardrum, similar to the way the temperature of stars and planets is measured. This method avoids contact with mucous membranes, and permits rapid temperature measurement of newborn or incapacitated patients. NASA supported the Diatek Corporation through the Technology Affiliates Program.[sup][5][/sup]
[h3]Ventricular assist device[edit][/h3]
Collaboration between NASA, Dr. Michael DeBakey, Dr. George Noon, and MicroMed Technology Inc. resulted in a heart pump for patients awaiting heart transplants. The MicroMed DeBakey ventricular assist device (VAD) functions as a “bridge to heart transplant” by pumping blood until a donor heart is available. The pump is approximately one-tenth the size of other currently marketed pulsatile VADs. Because of the pump’s small size, fewer patients developed device-related infections. It can operate up to 8 hours on batteries, giving patients the mobility to do normal, everyday activities.[sup][6][/sup]
[h3]Artificial limbs[edit][/h3]
Advancements such as Environmental Robots Inc.’s development of artificial muscle systems[sup][7][/sup]  for use in NASA space robotic and extravehicular activities have been adapted to create more functionally dynamic artificial limbs. Other commercial uses of NASA’s temper foam include moldable materials offering the natural look and feel of flesh, as well as preventing friction between the skin and the prosthesis, and heat/moisture buildup.[sup][4][/sup][sup]:46–49[/sup]
[h3]Invisible braces[edit][/h3]
Invisible braces are a type of transparent ceramics  called translucent polycrystalline alumina (TPA). A company known as Ceradyne  developed TPA in conjunction with NASA Advanced Ceramics Research as protection for infrared antennae on heat-seeking missile trackers. [sup][8][/sup]
[h3]Scratch-resistant lenses[edit][/h3]
A sunglasses manufacturer called Foster Grant  first licensed a NASA technology for scratch-resistant lenses, developed for protecting space equipment from scratching in space, especially helmet visors.[sup][8][/sup]
[h3]Space blanket[edit][/h3]
So-called space blankets, developed in 1964, are lightweight and reflect infrared radiation. They are often included in first aid  kits.
[h2]Transportation[edit][/h2][h3]Aircraft anti-icing systems[edit][/h3]


This ice-free airplane wing uses Thermawing's Aircraft Anti-Icing System, a NASA spin-off.

NASA funding under the Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) program and work with NASA scientists advanced the development of a thermoelectric deicing  system called Thermawing, a DC-powered air conditioner for single-engine aircraft called Thermacool, and high-output alternators to run them both. Thermawing allows pilots to safely fly through ice encounters and provides pilots of single-engine aircraft the heated wing technology usually reserved for larger, jet-powered craft. Thermacool, an electric air conditioning system, uses a new compressor whose rotary pump design runs off an energy-efficient, brushless DC motor and allows pilots to use the air conditioner before the engine starts.[sup][9][/sup]
[h3]Highway safety[edit][/h3]
Safety grooving, the cutting of grooves in concrete to increase traction and prevent injury, was first developed to reduce aircraft accidents on wet runways. Represented by the International Grooving and Grinding Association, the industry expanded into highway and pedestrian applications. Safety grooving originated at Langley Research Center, which assisted in testing the grooving at airports and on highways. Skidding was reduced, stopping distance decreased, and a vehicle’s cornering ability on curves was increased. The process has been extended to animal holding pens, parking lots, and other potentially slippery surfaces.[sup][1[/sup]
[h3]Improved radial tires[edit][/h3]
Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company developed a fibrous material, five times stronger than steel, for NASA to use in parachute shrouds to soft-land the Viking Lander  spacecraft on the Martian surface. Recognizing the durability of the material, Goodyear expanded the technology and went on to produce a new radial tire with a tread life expected to be 10,000 miles (16,000 km) greater than conventional radials.[sup][11][/sup]
[h3]Chemical detection[edit][/h3]
NASA contracted with Intelligent Optical Systems (IOS) to develop moisture- and pH-sensitive sensors to warn of corrosive conditions in aircraft before damage occurs. This sensor changes color in response to contact with its target. After completing the work with NASA, IOS was tasked by the U.S. Department of Defense to further develop the sensors for detecting chemical warfare agents and potential threats, such as toxic industrial compounds and nerve agents. IOS has sold the chemically sensitive fiber optic cables to major automotive and aerospace companies, who are finding a variety of uses for the devices such as aiding experimentation with nontraditional power sources, and as an economical “alarm system” for detecting chemical release in large facilities.[sup][9][/sup]
[h2]Public safety[edit][/h2][h3]Video enhancing and analysis systems[edit][/h3]
Intergraph Government Solutions developed its Video Analyst System (VAS) by building on Video Image Stabilization and Registration (VISAR) technology created by NASA to help FBI agents analyze video footage. Originally used for enhancing video images from nighttime videotapes made with hand-held camcorders, VAS is a tool for video enhancement and analysis offering support of full-resolution digital video, stabilization, frame-by-frame analysis, conversion of analog video to digital storage formats, and increased visibility of filmed subjects without altering underlying footage. Aside from law enforcement and security applications, VAS has also been adapted to serve the military for reconnaissance, weapons deployment, damage assessment, training, and mission debriefing.[sup][12][/sup]
[h3]Fire-resistant reinforcement[edit][/h3]
Built and designed by Avco Corporation, the Apollo heat shield was coated with a material whose purpose was to burn and thus dissipate energy during reentry while charring, to form a protective coating to block heat penetration. NASA subsequently funded Avco’s development of other applications of the heat shield, such as fire-******ant paints and foams for aircraft, which led to intumescent epoxy material, which expands in volume when exposed to heat or flames, acting as an insulating barrier and dissipating heat through burn-off. Further innovations include steel coatings devised to make high-rise buildings and public structures safer by swelling to provide a tough and stable insulating layer over the steel for up to 4 hours of fire protection, ultimately to slow building collapse and provide more time for escape.[sup][13][/sup]
[h3]Firefighting equipment[edit][/h3]
Firefighting equipment in the United States is based on lightweight materials developed for the U.S. Space Program. NASA and the National Bureau of Standards created a lightweight breathing system including face mask, frame, harness, and air bottle, using an aluminum composite material developed by NASA for use on rocket casings. The broadest fire-related technology transfer is the breathing apparatus for protection from smoke inhalation injury. Additionally, NASA’s inductorless electronic circuit technology led to lower-cost, more rugged, short-range two-way radio now used by firefighters. NASA also helped develop a specialized mask weighing less than 3 ounces (85 g) to protect the physically impaired from injuries to the face and head, as well as flexible, heat-resistant materials—developed to protect the space shuttle on reentry—which are being used both by the military and commercially in suits for municipal and aircraft-rescue firefighters.[sup][14][/sup][sup][15][/sup][sup][16][/sup][sup][17][/sup]
[h2]Consumer, home, and recreation[edit][/h2][h3]Temper foam[edit][/h3]


Initially referred to as "slow spring back foam", temper foam matches pressure against it and slowly returns to its original form once the pressure is removed.

As the result of a program designed to develop a padding concept to improve crash protection for airplane passengers, Ames Research Center developed what is now called memory foam. Memory foam, or "Temper Foam", has been incorporated into mattresses, pillows, military and civilian aircraft, automobiles and motorcycles, sports safety equipment, amusement park rides and arenas, horseback saddles, archery targets, furniture, and human and animal prostheses. Its high-energy absorption and soft characteristics offer protection and comfort. Today, temper foam is being employed by NASCAR to provide added safety in racecars. Temper Foam was inducted into the Space Foundation  Space Technology Hall of Fame in 1998.[sup][4][/sup][sup]:46–49[/sup][sup][6][/sup][sup][11][/sup][sup][15][/sup][sup][18][/sup][sup][19][/sup][sup][2[/sup]
[h3]Enriched baby food[edit][/h3]
Commercially available infant formulas now contain a nutritional enrichment ingredient that traces its existence to NASA-sponsored research on bread mold as a recycling agent for long-duration space travel. The substance, formulated into the products life’sDHA and life’sARA and based on microalgae, can be found in over 90% of the infant formulas sold in the United States, and are added to infant formulas in over 65 other countries. Martek Biosciences Corporation's founders and principal scientists acquired their expertise in this area while working on the NASA program. The microalgae food supplement was inducted into the Space Foundation  Space Technology Hall of Fame in 2009.[sup][21][/sup]
[h3]Portable cordless vacuums[edit][/h3]
For the Apollo space mission, NASA required a portable, self-contained drill capable of extracting core samples from below the lunar surface. Black & Decker  was tasked with the job, and developed a computer program to optimize the design of the drill’s motor and ensure minimal power consumption. That computer program led to the development of a cordless miniature vacuum cleaner called the Dustbuster.[sup][15][/sup]
[h3]Freeze drying[edit][/h3]
In planning for the long-duration Apollo missions, NASA conducted extensive research into space food. One of the techniques developed in 1938 by Nestlé was freeze drying. In the United States, Action Products later commercialized this technique for other foods, concentrating on snack food resulting in products like Space ice cream. The foods are cooked, quickly frozen, and then slowly heated in a vacuum chamber to remove the ice crystals formed by the freezing process. The final product retains 98%[sup][citation needed][/sup]  of its nutrition and weighs much less than before drying. The ratio of weight before and after drying depends strongly on the particular food item but a typical freeze-dried weight is 20% of the original weight. Today, one of the benefits of this advancement in food preservation includes simple nutritious meals available to handicapped and otherwise homebound senior adults unable to take advantage of existing meal programs.[sup][14][/sup][sup][22][/sup][sup][23][/sup]
[h2]Environmental and agricultural resources[edit][/h2]


Water Security Corporation's Discovery Water Filtration System
[h3]Water purification[edit][/h3]
NASA engineers are collaborating with qualified companies to develop systems intended to sustain the astronauts living on the International Space Station and future Moon and space missions. This system turns wastewater from respiration, sweat, and urine into drinkable water. Commercially, this system is benefiting people all over the world who need affordable, clean water, especially in remote locations. By combining the benefits of chemical adsorption, ion exchange, and ultra-filtration processes, this technology can yield safe, drinkable water from the most challenging sources, such as in underdeveloped regions where well water may be heavily contaminated.[sup][7][/sup][sup][24][/sup]
[h3]Solar Cells[edit][/h3]
Single-crystal  silicon solar cells  are now widely available at low cost. The technology behind these solar devices—which provide up to 50% more power than conventional solar cells—originated with the efforts of a NASA-sponsored 28-member coalition forming the Environmental Research Aircraft and Sensor Technology (ERAST) Alliance. ERAST’s goal was to develop remotely piloted aircraft, intended to fly unmanned at high altitudes for days at a time and requiring advanced solar power sources that did not add weight. As a result, SunPower Corporation created advanced silicon-based cells for terrestrial or airborne applications.[sup][4][/sup][sup]:66–67[/sup]
[h3]Pollution remediation[edit][/h3]
NASA’s microencapsulating technology enabled the creation of a "Petroleum Remediation Product," which safely cleans petroleum-based pollutants from water. The PRP uses thousands of microcapsules—tiny balls of beeswax with hollow centers. Water cannot penetrate the microcapsule’s cell, but oil is absorbed into the beeswax spheres as they float on the water’s surface. Contaminating chemical compounds that originally come from crude oil (such as fuels, motor oils, or petroleum hydrocarbons) are caught before they settle, limiting damage to ocean beds.[sup][13][/sup][sup][23][/sup]
[h2]Computer technology[edit][/h2][h3]Structural analysis software[edit][/h3]
NASA software engineers have created thousands of computer programs over the decades equipped to design, test, and analyze stress, vibration, and acoustical properties of a broad assortment of aerospace parts and structures. The NASA Structural Analysis Program, or NASTRAN, is considered one of the most successful and widely used NASA software programs. It has been used to design everything from Cadillacs to roller coaster rides. Originally created for spacecraft design, it has been employed in a host of non-aerospace applications and is available to industry through NASA’s Computer Software Management and Information Center (COSMIC). COSMIC maintains a library of computer programs from NASA and other government agencies and sells them at a fraction of the cost of developing a new program. NASA Structural Analysis Computer Software was inducted into the Space Foundation  Space Technology Hall of Fame in 1988[sup][5][/sup][sup][11][/sup][sup][14][/sup][sup][15][/sup][sup][16][/sup][sup][18][/sup][sup][19][/sup][sup][2[/sup][sup][22][/sup][sup][25][/sup][sup][26][/sup][sup][27][/sup]
[h3]Remotely controlled ovens[edit][/h3]
Embedded Web Technology (EWT) software—originally developed by NASA for use by astronauts operating experiments on the International Space Station—lets a user monitor and/or control a device remotely over the Internet. NASA supplied this technology and guidance to TMIO LLC, which developed remote control and monitoring of a new intelligent oven product named “Connect Io.” With combined cooling and heating capabilities, Connect Io refrigerates food until a customized pre-programmable cooking cycle begins. The menu allows the user to simply enter the dinner time, and the oven automatically switches from refrigeration to the cooking cycle, so that the meal will be ready as the family arrives home for dinner.[sup][4][/sup]
[h3]NASA Visualization Explorer[edit][/h3]
On July 26, 2011, NASA released the NASA Visualization Explorer app  for the iPad. The application delivers real-time satellite data, including movies and stills, of Earth, that enable users to learn about subjects such as climate change, Earth's dynamic systems and plant life on land and in the oceans. The content is accompanied by short descriptions about the Data and why it is important.[sup][28][/sup][sup][29][/sup]
[h3]Space Race Blastoff[edit][/h3]
NASA's first online game designed for social networks  like Facebook. It is a trivia game that tests of their knowledge of NASA history, technology, science and pop culture.[sup][3[/sup]
[h2]Industrial productivity[edit][/h2][h3]Powdered lubricants[edit][/h3]


Oil-free coating PS300 (on these bushings) was created by Adma with NASA resources.

NASA developed a solid lubricant coating, PS300, which is deposited by thermal spraying to protect foil air bearings. PS300 lowers friction, reduces emissions, and has been used by NASA in advanced aeropropulsion engines, refrigeration compressors, turbochargers, and hybrid electrical turbogenerators. ADMA Products has found widespread industrial applications for the material.[sup][4][/sup]
[h3]Improved mine safety[edit][/h3]
An ultrasonic bolt elongation monitor developed by a NASA scientist for testing tension and high-pressure loads on bolts and fasteners has continued to evolve over the past three decades. Today, the same scientist and Luna Innovations are using a digital adaptation of this same device for destructive evaluation of railroad ties, groundwater analysis, radiation, and as a medical testing device to assess levels of internal swelling and pressure for patients suffering from intracranial pressure and compartment syndrome, a painful condition that results when pressure within muscles builds to dangerous levels.[sup][4][/sup][sup][14][/sup]
[h3]Food safety[edit][/h3]
Faced with the problem of how and what to feed an astronaut in a sealed capsule under weightless conditions while planning for human space flight, NASA enlisted the aid of The Pillsbury Company to address two principal concerns: eliminating crumbs of food that might contaminate the spacecraft’s atmosphere and sensitive instruments, and assuring absolute absence of disease-producing bacteria and toxins. Pillsbury developed the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point (HACCP) concept to address NASA’s second concern. HACCP is designed to prevent food safety problems rather than to catch them after they have occurred. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has applied HACCP guidelines for the handling of seafood, juice, and dairy products.[sup][5][/sup]

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 

 
The middle east used to be the intellectual center of the planet... Why you think so many of the stars have Arabic names?

That being said, starting a sentence with "The quran is 100% the word of God" is going to get you nowhere.

I agree that the middle east had a lot of discoveries in math and science, but I mean some may argue other civilizations Asian, other African ancient civilizations were just as important....but dude still hasn''t provided "concrete claims" from the Quran to back anything he has said up.

It is very believable they had knowledge of embryological anatomy....probably through autopsies on dead pregnant females. Many ancient civs had knowledge if human form, not necessarily function.

I'm with you on the argument thats going on... I was just pointing out that at one time the region that is now (i believe) Iraq was leading the way in Astronomy/Math/Science and it wasn't even close.  Something happened that caused that to not be the case anymore though and the ME fell off in that department.

Here's some info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy_in_medieval_Islam

[h2]History[edit][/h2]


Muhammad Salih Tahtawi  of Sindhheaded the task of creating a massive, seamless celestial globe  using a secretwax  casting  method in the Mughal Empire, the famous celestial globe of Muhammad Salih Tahtawi is inscribed with Arabic  and Persian  inscriptions and was completed in the year 1631.[sup][1[/sup]

Ahmad Dallal notes that, unlike the Babylonians, Greeks, and Indians, who had developed elaborate systems of mathematical astronomical study, the pre-Islamic Arabs  relied entirely on empirical observations. These observations were based on the rising and setting of particular stars, and this area of astronomical study was known as anwa. Anwa  continued to be developed after Islamization  by the Arabs, where Islamic astronomers added mathematical methods to their empirical observations.[sup][11][/sup]  According to David King, after the rise of Islam, the religious obligation to determine the qibla  and prayer times  inspired more progress in astronomy for centuries.[sup][12][/sup]

Donald Hill (1993) divided Islamic Astronomy into the four following distinct time periods in its history:
[h3]700–825[edit][/h3]
The period of assimilation and syncretisation of earlier Hellenistic, Indian, and Sassanid  astronomy.

The first astronomical texts that were translated into Arabic were of Indian and Persian origin.[sup][13][/sup]  The most notable of the texts was Zij al-Sindhind,[sup][n 1][/sup]  an 8th-century Indian astronomical work that was translated by Muhammad ibn Ibrahim al-Fazari  and Yaqub ibn Tariq  after 770 CE under the supervision of an Indian astronomer who visited the court of caliph Al-Mansur  in 770. Another text translated was the Zij al-Shah, a collection of astronomical tables (based on Indian parameters) compiled in Sasanid Persia over two centuries. Fragments of texts during this period indicate that Arabs adopted the sine function (inherited from India) in place of the chords  of arc  used in Greek trigonometry.[sup][11][/sup]
[h3]825–1025[edit][/h3]


The Tusi-couple  is a mathematical device invented by Nasir al-Din al-Tusi  in which a smallcircle  rotates inside a larger circle twice thediameter  of the smaller circle. Rotations of the circles cause a point on the circumference  of the smaller circle to oscillate  back and forth in linear motion  along a diameter of the larger circle.

This period of vigorous investigation, in which the superiority of the Ptolemaic system  of astronomy was accepted and significant contributions made to it. However, Dallal notes that the use of parameters, sources and calculation methods from different scientific traditions made the Ptolemaic tradition "receptive right from the beginning to the possibility of observational refinement and mathematical restructuring".[sup][14][/sup]  Astronomical research was greatly supported by the Abbasid  caliph  al-Mamun  through The House of Wisdom. Baghdad  and Damascus  became the centers of such activity. The caliphs not only supported this work financially, but endowed the work with formal prestige.

The first major Muslim work of astronomy was Zij al-Sindh  by al-Khwarizmi  in 830. The work contains tables for the movements of the sun, the moon and the five planets known at the time. The work is significant as it introduced Ptolemaic concepts into Islamic sciences. This work also marks the turning point in Islamic astronomy. Hitherto, Muslim astronomers had adopted a primarily research approach to the field, translating works of others and learning already discovered knowledge. Al-Khwarizmi's work marked the beginning of nontraditional methods of study and calculations.[sup][15][/sup]

In 850, al-Farghani  wrote Kitab fi Jawani  (meaning "A compendium of the science of stars"). The book primarily gave a summary of Ptolemic cosmography. However, it also corrected Ptolemy based on findings of earlier Arab astronomers. Al-Farghani gave revised values for the obliquity of the ecliptic, the precessional movement of the apogees  of the sun and the moon, and the circumference of the earth. The book was widely circulated through the Muslim world, and even translated into Latin.[sup][16][/sup]
[h3]1025–1450[edit][/h3]


An illustration from al-Biruni's astronomical works, explains the different phases of the moon.

The period when a distinctive Islamic system of astronomy flourished. The period began as the Muslim astronomers began questioning the framework of the Ptolemaic system  of astronomy. These criticisms, however, remained within the geocentric framework and followed Ptolemy's astronomical paradigm; one historian described their work as "a reformist project intended to consolidate Ptolemaic astronomy by bringing it into line with its own principles."[sup][17][/sup]

Between 1025 and 1028, Ibn al-Haytham  wrote his Al-Shukuk ala Batlamyus  (meaning "Doubts on Ptolemy"). While maintaining the physical reality of the geocentric model, he criticized elements of the Ptolemic models. Many astronomers took up the challenge posed in this work, namely to develop alternate models that resolved these difficulties. In 1070, Abu Ubayd al-Juzjani  published theTarik al-Aflak. In his work, he indicated the so-called "equant" problem of the Ptolemic model. Al-Juzjani even proposed a solution for the problem. In Al-Andalus, the anonymous work al-Istidrak ala Batlamyus  (meaning "Recapitulation regarding Ptolemy"), included a list of objections to the Ptolemic astronomy.

Other critical astronomers include: Mu'ayyad al-Din al-'Urdi  (c. 1266), Nasir al-Din al-Tusi  (1201–74), Qutb al-Din al Shirazi  (c. 1311),Sadr al-Sharia al-Bukhari  (c. 1347), Ibn al-Shatir  (c. 1375), and Ali al-Qushji  (c. 1474).[sup][18][/sup]
[h3]1450–1900[edit][/h3]
The period of stagnation, when the traditional system of astronomy continued to be practised with enthusiasm, but with rapidly decreasing innovation of any major significance.

A large corpus of literature from Islamic astronomy remains today, numbering around some 10,000 manuscript volumes scattered throughout the world. Much of this has not even been catalogued. Even so, a reasonably accurate picture of Islami

c activity in the field of astronomy can be reconstructed.

 

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which was revealed 1400 years ago, does have a precise description of the developing Embryo....

His textbook is used as a standard textbook in medical schools across the United States and world. 

I'm telling you guys, the Quran is 100% the word of God and it does not contain conflicts with scientific discoveries.

Who's to say that someone from an advanced race far away on another planet didn't come to Earth a couple thousand years ago & described how an Embryo forms and other knowledge? And in turn these indigenous people worshiped them like a God and described it in writings like the Quran? Maybe that's how most of these religions came to be?...

Now I'm not saying this is true, but its a possibility and one reason why I don't have a blind faith in religion like other people...

 

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The quran and science



Maurice Bucaille was a french scientist who converted to Islam in response to the discovery of an old Egyptian Pharoah's body which was preserved impeccably well - a miracle which was explained in the Quran, upon discovering this, he converted to Islam.



The Author of the book "The developing Human" Written by Dr. Keith Moore writes in his textbook's introduction that the Quran, which was revealed 1400 years ago, does have a precise description of the developing Embryo....

His textbook is used as a standard textbook in medical schools across the United States and world. 

I'm telling you guys, the Quran is 100% the word of God and it does not contain conflicts with scientific discoveries.

@Tizzle  Hey thanks for actually following up and putting these videos as evidence, instead of just blind statements. 

However, IMO, I think a major flaw in your initial argument is, you can't just say, "Here's a french scientists, a distinguished guy, knows his stuff, who converted to Islam after he found out some stuff." That honestly means nothing. One can flip that, and point to multiple other distinguished scientists that have refuted so many things in these books. Just because one guy believes in it and another guy doesn't believe in it doesn't mean anything. At least in my opinion, showing me a video of some french scientist converting to Islam means nothing. People convert or get away from religion everyday. 

The embryology stuff I have heard before. People love pointing to that. However, there's a few things that are kind of odd about it.

1) That guy speaking years later was asked to do a interview or something, but declined, said he's past that. Fine acceptable. People get tired of speaking on things. But, at least in my mind that's kind of odd. If you're this adamant of such a controversial, yet possibly ground breaking claim, why wouldn't you proudly express your ideas. He no longer wanted to be a part of it, saying it was years ago. But hey that's just me. If I thought/had evidence of such a claim I would backing it no matter what. 

2) Didn't he work with an Islamic organization on these findings. Correct me if I'm wrong. I read about this a long time ago. Obviously an Islamic organization would be the ones that are interested in such a topic. However, I'm always weary of believing things when an agenda is involved. But generally everything/everyone does have an agenda. It's very hard to be unbiased. 

3) I'll use your previous argument of bringing up a distinguished scientists as evidence. Another very distinguished famous scientists. Forget his name sorry, basically detailed aspects of this argument and threw it out the water. The guy is associated with Nature, probably the most famous journal in science. He basically showcased how this guy was totally reaching with his explanations. Insert reaching picture here for NT. 

4) Just as you can show on youtube video explaining it and supporting this theory, there are multiple youtube videos/pieces talking about how much reaching there is going on when translating this verse or what not. People who follow religion love to do this unfortunately. Maybe I'm biased, but I've noticed this. Science finds pieces of information and tries to decipher something out of it. Religious followers know the end result, and try to mold the pieces discovered around this end result. So this embryology thing we know the multiple stages of development. Knowing this, people try to mold what is said in these verses around the already known. 

5) Okay put aside all that, they weren't very compelling cases I agree. How'd a guy, an uneducated man, know all this, way back in the day. Well, doesn't the bible (correct me if I'm wrong) have references to seeds (referring to Sperm) and things of that sort. Scientists and individuals had theories about all this before Mohammad. Greek scientists/physicians as well as Indian scientists already developed these theories. It's really not that radical to thing that these ideas traveled down from Greek scientists to where Mohammad was. On top of that why is this guy just stating a few stages, there are multiple more. Also, these ideas were already brought up by Aristotle and Hippocrates. Also the idea of sperm forming from between the rib and the hip is wrong and who thought that- yupp Hippocrates. He thought it came from the kidneys. Isn't there also more statements that aren't right, such as what develops first and things of that sort. I've heard multiple wrap arounds/reaches when these are brought up as well. 

I feel like that just proves (even though I didn't do it eloquently) these books were multiple ideas from multiple people/groups compiled together. I still find them fascinating though that people of that time thought in such depth, but I won't believe it came from "god" 

Any of guys elaborate on this more I'm sure you guys are more read up on it, since I don't really have TOO much of an interest in it. 

I'd also like your takes on evolution. What do muslims believe regarding that? Isn't it a creationist religion, like most? Also, how do you feel about a religion saying if you don't follow these paths you are damned. What about the majority of the world that isn't born to that religion, how does that make sense? Seems very egotistical of a god to say something of that sort. What's your take on that.  Thanks

 

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which was revealed 1400 years ago, does have a precise description of the developing Embryo....

His textbook is used as a standard textbook in medical schools across the United States and world. 

I'm telling you guys, the Quran is 100% the word of God and it does not contain conflicts with scientific discoveries.

Who's to say that someone from an advanced race far away on another planet didn't come to Earth a couple thousand years ago & described how an Embryo forms and other knowledge? And in turn these indigenous people worshiped them like a God and described it in writings like the Quran? Maybe that's how most of these religions came to be?...

Now I'm not saying this is true, but its a possibility and one reason why I don't have a blind faith in religion like other people...

Exactly why I'm agnostic. Who the hell knows. Most times dudes will argue with the most ridiculous logic.

You can't prove it, and can't argue with anyone about it as everyone always feels their religion is the one true religion.

I just try to avoid the topic all-together.

 

[tizzle]

 
You're on the internet on a website about shoes, you're in no place to talk about wasting money. You want a crazy invention where you can talk to humans across a screen instantly? How does that help you?

WOW.......again if we all thought like you we'd still be living in pre-historic times. We should fund something as incredible as time travel because you're not imaginative enough to know how that type of technology may change the humanity for good. Coming from the guy sending messages over something invented by scientists that by your thought process is actually pretty damn useless as well.

Now that we have gotten past that, post actual lines in the Quran that fully outline human development, including the genetics, biochemical and biomolecular signaling pathways that are involved in development. Also post passages from the Quran that outline pathologies that result from derangement in these pathways.

I'll wait.

The is "Science" in many other ancient texts, many before and after the Quran....people weren't all stupid back then it has nothing to do with the Quran.

Dude watch the video on Quran and embryology 

stop acting like you KNOW for a fact that God doesn't exist or that the Quran is not true...

You're being such an ignorant buffoon by posting stupid gifs. If you want an intelligent discussion, then engage in one... 

Like I said watch the video - the scientist in the video breaks down the Quran's explanation of embryology.

I don't know if there are references to biochemical pathways, allosteric regulation or whatever else you're trying to ask... but i'm pretty damn sure what i referenced is not some small coincidence... or small point for that matter.

the Quran has been proven to be in tact for the past 1400 years, how in the freaking world is it possible that an illiterate man form 700 AD Arabia knew anything about embryology or anyone else from his society for that matter???

I'm telling you, there is no logical reason for those arabs to have known this detailed scientific information without some sort of divine intervention. 

And there is no other religion that predicts modern events and makes so much sense of the past as does Islam.

 

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I agree that the middle east had a lot of discoveries in math and science, but I mean some may argue other civilizations Asian, other African ancient civilizations were just as important....but dude still hasn''t provided "concrete claims" from the Quran to back anything he has said up.

It is very believable they had knowledge of embryological anatomy....probably through autopsies on dead pregnant females. Many ancient civs had knowledge if human form, not necessarily function.

I'm pretty sure Greeks had info about embryology before, which really isn't that surprising. Those guys were amazing 

. Really isn't that crazy that those ideas could trickle down to areas near by. Read my little synopsis, nothing too groundbreaking, but I just laid out my points regarding this. There's much more on the web/books obviously. 

 

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I mean at some point Islamic people regressed and other civilizations picked up the slack. And there were some civs that made equally impressive discoveries eg. African, South America, Asian before the Middle East became the center of knowledge. There were great civilizations with equally impressive discoveries that preceded and then obviously followed the middle east, my point is I don't think Islamic civs are unique or more impressive than others.

Chinese civilization had an equally impressive catalog in the study of the stars, chemistry, medicine, math etc etc.

Yo maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Fraiji basically saying a possible reason for the regression was due to the shift into religious belief, which hindered scientific pursuit? I don't think he's saying the reason for scientific knowledge was due to the religion?