How could you hate Obama?

[nikfiend]

Originally Posted by JRose5

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Because he promised people things he can't and won't ever deliver.

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.

Just saw on Fox News earlier about the California farmers getting their water cut off because the Obama administration wanted to preserve the two inch fish.

Why to put more people out of a job.




JR5

 

[jrose5]

^^

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.

Cool guy.




JR5

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by JDB1523

^Bigger emoticons don't mean a more-educated response

You've already gotten shot down multiple times in the health care threads if you want to try again...

A non-educated response was needed for an over the top non-educated statement ..

There is no need to debate an idiotic statement that the history of the U.S. and what the U.S. stands for would explain a legitimate hate of Obama. %$#$%*@ ridiculous..

Is it safe to say that no matter what Obama/Democrats do, you will always support them and continue to make absurd comments to back them up?

because Liberalism was NEVER a huge factor in this country and NEVER created anything good in this country.100% false statement by JDB. Come onman, my comment is absurd? Maybe... But saying Liberalism has not been part of this country and what it stands for isn't?

Make a thread about Obama doing signing statements, or how he caved on gay rights (may be a political timing move but until he does something I am pissed andwill call it a lie), let's talk about allowing Geithner to @!+@ up and give breaks to the banks, or the lack of regulation and oversight on the banks nowand once they are off bailout money, let's talk about using the same tactics Bush used prosecuting terrorists. Let's talk about the lack ofinvestigation on Bush administration.. Let's talk the pictures of the torture techniques to show what we did, and what should never be done again. Orlet's talk the Democrats bowing down to the Elected minority party on things they were elected to bring.. Let's talk about Harry Reid not knowing whatthe hell he is doing.. Let's talk Max Baucus getting the most money from Health Care companies and then holding up the Health Care Debate to help the thosesame Health Care Companies. Let's talk Mike Ross' statement "I held the health care debate hostage for 10 days."

Don't talk #%%! about me if you don't know what you are talking about..

You want me to go in depth of why I don't support Republicans/Conservatives besides the fact that I am a liberal? The list will be a Rex type post x5.

 

[aka king arthur]

NT trying to talk politics FTL

NT trying to have an intellgent conversation FTL

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

ultimately, i just want everyone who voted for obama to realize how ignorant they are about politics ... i would be content with after these 4 years are over, for everyone who elected this dude to look in the mirror and say "i messed up, ill read about my candidates more" ... thats all i ask ...

im not saying mccain would have been the greatest ... but obamas track record HAS NEVER WORKED in the world EVER ... in fact, the things he stands for has hurt every single situation they were applied to ...

you all blew it, lets just hope we make it to the end of the term and yall dont make the same mistake again ...

Although I didn't vote for either, McCain would have been every bit as dumb as Obama, IMO more so.

 

[nycknicks105]

Originally Posted by airmissionretro

Look at it this way....a history lesson for you...

- Jesus was hated
- Buddah was hated
- Caesar was hated
- Confucious was hated
- Ghandhi was hated
- Napolean was hated
- Abraham Lincoln was hated
- MLK was hated
- JFK was hated
- Mao Zedong was hated
- Mother Teresa was hated
- Pope John Paul was hated
- Hitler was hated
- Saddam Hussien was hated
- Michael Jackson was hated
- Elvis Pressley was hated
- Tookie Williams was hated


.....whether or not they were good or bad people or what good or bad things they have done in history----They got their share of hate----and all the criticism, and condemnation didn't stop them from doing what they do----and most importantly, garnering their respect by their following, whether they criticized them or not..... point is... look where Obama and other people of power are at compared to their critics.


At the end of the day....people will always "hate" regardless of what you do....but at the end of the day, they got their respect---point blank.

Tookie Williams??? Really?

 

[kix4kix]

^

thought I was the only one who noticed that.

As far as Obama goes, the entire ideal of arguing what if's gets real old after a while. If Al Gore won, we would have no Obama, The parties only careabout 1 thing, and that is the white house, all they do is spend 4 years bashing who is in office and stating how much better it would be if they were in. Ifanything I am glad this health care thing is getting passed, for numerous reasons, although I myself am nowhere near the field My Uncle is a doctor, my Motheris a nurse, and My Father works on the financial side of a major health insurance agency, they are all in favor of this "Trash" bill. I do notpretend to be an expert on this particular issue (personally I have health care, very good health care) Either way, I fail to see how more competition is a badthing to all you true Friedman lovers out there.

 

[aka king arthur]

JRose5 wrote:

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Biggie62 wrote:

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Because he promised people things he can't and won't ever deliver.
Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.

Just saw on Fox News earlier about the California farmers getting their water cut off because the Obama administration wanted to preserve the two inch fish.

Why to put more people out of a job.




JR5




If you are really going to believe with out a shadow of a doubt something that FOX news broadcast you should be ashamed of yourself. Just as if someonemindlessly followed something off of MSNBC

saving 2in fish....really you believe that

also can you please tell why "this president was really voted into office"

Because last time I checked I believe the reason was that 68 million Americans felt it was time for a change in the way the country was being run.

I really hope you are not trying to imply that this man got 68 million votes based solely on his skin color. I know you are smarter than that.

 

[rockybalboa25]

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by JDB1523

^Bigger emoticons don't mean a more-educated response

You've already gotten shot down multiple times in the health care threads if you want to try again...

A non-educated response was needed for an over the top non-educated statement ..

There is no need to debate an idiotic statement that the history of the U.S. and what the U.S. stands for would explain a legitimate hate of Obama. %$#$%*@ ridiculous..

Is it safe to say that no matter what Obama/Democrats do, you will always support them and continue to make absurd comments to back them up?

because Liberalism was NEVER a huge factor in this country and NEVER created anything good in this country.100% false statement by JDB. Come on man, my comment is absurd? Maybe... But saying Liberalism has not been part of this country and what it stands for isn't?

Make a thread about Obama doing signing statements, or how he caved on gay rights (may be a political timing move but until he does something I am pissed and will call it a lie), let's talk about allowing Geithner to @!+@ up and give breaks to the banks, or the lack of regulation and oversight on the banks now and once they are off bailout money, let's talk about using the same tactics Bush used prosecuting terrorists. Let's talk about the lack of investigation on Bush administration.. Let's talk the pictures of the torture techniques to show what we did, and what should never be done again. Or let's talk the Democrats bowing down to the Elected minority party on things they were elected to bring.. Let's talk about Harry Reid not knowing what the hell he is doing.. Let's talk Max Baucus getting the most money from Health Care companies and then holding up the Health Care Debate to help the those same Health Care Companies. Let's talk Mike Ross' statement "I held the health care debate hostage for 10 days."

Don't talk #%%! about me if you don't know what you are talking about..

You want me to go in depth of why I don't support Republicans/Conservatives besides the fact that I am a liberal? The list will be a Rex type post x5.

I'm just pointing out that you will make up an excuse for absolutely anything a Democrat does, no matter how unfounded your reasoning happens to be.I'm just wondering what it would take for you to stop believing Obama walks on water? Can he do no wrong or is everything he does deserving of a NobelPeace Prize?

 

[jdb1523]

Essential1:

1. You need to chill out, we're just talking here and it's still the Internetz

2. Nobody said liberalism "never was a major factor and never did anything good for the country"...we're talking about Obama specifically

3. All you've done is spouted off instances in American politics that have angered you. Some include Obama, most don't. Regardless, why don't youtouch on something like the income, corporate, capital gains taxes, gov't regulation of markets and a proposed nationalized health care that would makepeople hate Obama? (psssst...they've historically been relatively low, spurring economic growth and staying true to the phrase 'Land ofOpportunity')

 

[gtek]

Originally Posted by JRose5

^^

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.

Cool guy.




JR5

But

at Fox News.

 

[kix4kix]

Although I won't use unnecessary sarcasm, you do blindly back the Democratic Party at times Essential.

 

[jdb1523]

Essential1 = Ted Kennedy...........................................................drunk. JK JK

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by JDB1523

^Bigger emoticons don't mean a more-educated response

You've already gotten shot down multiple times in the health care threads if you want to try again...

A non-educated response was needed for an over the top non-educated statement ..

There is no need to debate an idiotic statement that the history of the U.S. and what the U.S. stands for would explain a legitimate hate of Obama. %$#$%*@ ridiculous..

Is it safe to say that no matter what Obama/Democrats do, you will always support them and continue to make absurd comments to back them up?

because Liberalism was NEVER a huge factor in this country and NEVER created anything good in this country.100% false statement by JDB. Come on man, my comment is absurd? Maybe... But saying Liberalism has not been part of this country and what it stands for isn't?

Make a thread about Obama doing signing statements, or how he caved on gay rights (may be a political timing move but until he does something I am pissed and will call it a lie), let's talk about allowing Geithner to @!+@ up and give breaks to the banks, or the lack of regulation and oversight on the banks now and once they are off bailout money, let's talk about using the same tactics Bush used prosecuting terrorists. Let's talk about the lack of investigation on Bush administration.. Let's talk the pictures of the torture techniques to show what we did, and what should never be done again. Or let's talk the Democrats bowing down to the Elected minority party on things they were elected to bring.. Let's talk about Harry Reid not knowing what the hell he is doing.. Let's talk Max Baucus getting the most money from Health Care companies and then holding up the Health Care Debate to help the those same Health Care Companies. Let's talk Mike Ross' statement "I held the health care debate hostage for 10 days."

Don't talk #%%! about me if you don't know what you are talking about..

You want me to go in depth of why I don't support Republicans/Conservatives besides the fact that I am a liberal? The list will be a Rex type post x5.

I'm just pointing out that you will make up an excuse for absolutely anything a Democrat does, no matter how unfounded your reasoning happens to be. I'm just wondering what it would take for you to stop believing Obama walks on water? Can he do no wrong or is everything he does deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize?

1. Never made an excuse for everything Democrats do, Never agreed with everything Democrats do. Unfounded reasoning I guess in your own opinion.
2. Never believed he walked on water. He was never my messiah.. I believed in him and believed and STILL BELIEVE he is what our country needs.
3. Believed he was a politician and was prepared for a let down the minute I supported him.
4. By the way you just asked me all the same questions that I already addressed but alright.

 

[rockybalboa25]

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by JDB1523

^Bigger emoticons don't mean a more-educated response

You've already gotten shot down multiple times in the health care threads if you want to try again...

A non-educated response was needed for an over the top non-educated statement ..

There is no need to debate an idiotic statement that the history of the U.S. and what the U.S. stands for would explain a legitimate hate of Obama. %$#$%*@ ridiculous..

Is it safe to say that no matter what Obama/Democrats do, you will always support them and continue to make absurd comments to back them up?

because Liberalism was NEVER a huge factor in this country and NEVER created anything good in this country.100% false statement by JDB. Come on man, my comment is absurd? Maybe... But saying Liberalism has not been part of this country and what it stands for isn't?

Make a thread about Obama doing signing statements, or how he caved on gay rights (may be a political timing move but until he does something I am pissed and will call it a lie), let's talk about allowing Geithner to @!+@ up and give breaks to the banks, or the lack of regulation and oversight on the banks now and once they are off bailout money, let's talk about using the same tactics Bush used prosecuting terrorists. Let's talk about the lack of investigation on Bush administration.. Let's talk the pictures of the torture techniques to show what we did, and what should never be done again. Or let's talk the Democrats bowing down to the Elected minority party on things they were elected to bring.. Let's talk about Harry Reid not knowing what the hell he is doing.. Let's talk Max Baucus getting the most money from Health Care companies and then holding up the Health Care Debate to help the those same Health Care Companies. Let's talk Mike Ross' statement "I held the health care debate hostage for 10 days."

Don't talk #%%! about me if you don't know what you are talking about..

You want me to go in depth of why I don't support Republicans/Conservatives besides the fact that I am a liberal? The list will be a Rex type post x5.

I'm just pointing out that you will make up an excuse for absolutely anything a Democrat does, no matter how unfounded your reasoning happens to be. I'm just wondering what it would take for you to stop believing Obama walks on water? Can he do no wrong or is everything he does deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize?

1. Never made an excuse for everything Democrats do, Never agreed with everything Democrats do. Unfounded reasoning I guess in your own opinion.
2. Never believed he walked on water. He was never my messiah.. I believed in him and believed and STILL BELIEVE he is what our country needs.
3. Believed he was a politician and was prepared for a let down the minute I supported him.
4. By the way you just asked me all the same questions that I already addressed but alright.

I see you're living in denial at this point. If I had the time or the actual interest, I would look around to find some of your great quotesin other posts but I'm sure you remember what you said.

Keep on following, and when its time to drink the Kool-Aid, make sure you drink it all.

 

[je ne sais quoi]

He's obviously a much bigger man compared to me. I can respect that.

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[baalnood]

Dude is a lair.

 

[je ne sais quoi]

Originally Posted by Baalnood

Dude is a lair.

Word son, I'm pretty sure his stomach is a front for a secret missile base used by an evil mastermind.
Damn lairs with their sound foundation at the base of volcanic islands and their steel reinforced doors.

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by Je Ne Sais Quoi

 

[littlepetewrigley]

Originally Posted by Je Ne Sais Quoi

Originally Posted by Baalnood

Dude is a lair.

Word son, I'm pretty sure his stomach is a front for a secret missile base used by an evil mastermind.
Damn lairs with their sound foundation at the base of volcanic islands and their steel reinforced doors.

 

[waveyjoneslocker]

Originally Posted by Je Ne Sais Quoi

He's obviously a much bigger man compared to me. I can respect that.

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[Ron Burgundy] It's the pleats. /[Ron Burgundy]

 

[wsdesigner14]

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Because he promised people things he can't and won't ever deliver.

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.

Just saw on Fox News earlier about the California farmers getting their water cut off because the Obama administration wanted to preserve the two inch fish.

Why to put more people out of a job.


Sick of people defending this president? It has been 6 months, allow the man to at least try to be president, after all, the majority of the voters chose him.At least give him that respect, as an American. Judging his policies based on less than a 1/4 of his term, especially as said policies are more so attemptingto correct what the previous administration has done (or should have done but did not) clearly tells me that you're more interested in the restoration ofconservative/republican politics than the improvement of the country under different policies.

While cutting off the water supply to farmers results in the loss of jobs and money for a certain group, the preservation of the salmon will aid an ailingfishing industry and help to prevent a collapse of certain ecosystems. As always, there are two sides to a story (something Fox News so many times forget tomention) and in this case a sacrifice had to be made.

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.

Cool guy.


I'm going to speak for myself and say that I know EXACTLY why I "hate" Fox News. If you, as an "American" (Fox News' favorite wordto emphasize) cannot see the lies, propaganda, and hatred spewed and influenced by so many of Fox's anchors and hosts, you are either blind or simply tooarrogant to admit to it.

 

[the fame]

We arguing as if we had a better choice.

 

[aka king arthur]

Originally Posted by wsdesigner14

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Because he promised people things he can't and won't ever deliver.

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.

Just saw on Fox News earlier about the California farmers getting their water cut off because the Obama administration wanted to preserve the two inch fish.

Why to put more people out of a job.

Sick of people defending this president? It has been 6 months, allow the man to at least try to be president, after all, the majority of the voters chose him, at least give him that respect as an American. Judging his policies based on less than a 1/4 of his term, especially as said policies are more so attempting to correct what the previous administration has done (or should have been did not) clearly tells me that you're more interested in the restoration of conservative/republican politics than the success of a democratic president selected by a majority.

While cutting off the water supply to farmers results in the loss of jobs and money for a certain group, the preservation of the salmon will aid an ailing fishing industry and help to prevent a collapse of certain ecosystems. As always, there are two sides to a story (something Fox News so many times forget to mention) and in this case a sacrifice had to be made.

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.

Cool guy.


I'm going to speak for myself and say that I know EXACTLY why I "hate" Fox News. If you, as an "American" (Fox News' favorite word to emphasize) cannot see the lies, propaganda, and hatred spewed and influenced by so many of Fox's anchors and hosts, you are either blind or simply too arrogant to admit to it.




QFT and again QFT

this man just took what i said and made it alittle more in depth

J Rose I would sill like you to comment and answer my questions though kind Sir

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by JDB1523

Essential1:



3. All you've done is spouted off instances in American politics that have angered you. Some include Obama, most don't. Regardless, why don't you touch on something like the income, corporate, capital gains taxes, gov't regulation of markets and a proposed nationalized health care that would make people hate Obama? (psssst...they've historically been relatively low, spurring economic growth and staying true to the phrase 'Land of Opportunity')

So OK you say I am a sheep to Obama,.. Right? Because I support everything he does. Right? I say things about his policy I am not fooled by andsay things that I hate about his policy. You say so and still say I am still sheep? So anyone who follows Conservatism economic policies 100% or 80% are sheepto Conservatism.. You follow liberalism above 70% you are a sheep to liberalism... You like to be as moderate as possible you are a sheep to moderation.. Nomatter what we are all sheep.

But I already addressed that there is nothing wrong with hating Obama, I think if it is a lie (He's a terrorist, not a U.S. citizen, "deathpanels", he wants to purposely destroy America, his skin color) are wrong reasons to hate Obama. I also called this a bull crap question page 1 or 2I'm not sure which one.

I will address how I view what you said we both know why people would hate these policies so no point of me stating something we both know
1. Land of opportunity would mean we have no taxes at all. Any form of taxes would be a hindrance of anyone's opportunity.
2. Certain things need government regulation. Hence outlaw of monopolies, the saying "Bust the Trusts". Without Theodore Roosevelt and thatgovernment regulation, Monopolies would still exist, and therefore the land of opportunity is now the land of you got money, you got a business. Regulationlapses were a large part of the collapse of the financial market. Glass-Stegall, deregulation of rating agencies giving triple A ratings to awful loans, NakedCredit Default Swaps, etc. etc., sub-prime bubble burst which was caused because of the bets on derivatives that included bad loans. Some banks even bet ontheir own loans to fail.
3. I am not a person who believes in huge taxes for Corporations and Capital gains tax.. I would like to keep it at some form of normal rate. With that said Iam against cutting corporation taxes if all Shady corporate tax loopholes are not shut down. There is no point of lowering these taxes down 10% from itscurrent rate if they will still take 10% off the top of the new tax rate by hiding the money.. Another place where regulation is needed. Also I will agree thatthis creates jobs BUT not anywhere close to the extent it should. It is still divided largely among the top execs. and the board.
4. Personal tax is not as effective on the economy as corporate taxes. (I am talking about upper class personal taxes. My view of lower and middle taxes isdifferent.)That money doesn't stimulate the lower class, or middle class as much as you think. Doesn't create jobs. The upper class already has many ofthe things they want so an extra 5% on 250k, is not going to Best Buy or Sears because they would have it with or without the tax break. Also factor in theamount of money lost in tax revenue.. Now I am fine with tax breaks for the rich but take the money out of something else.If we cut taxes we have to cutprograms... Not the arts, phys ed, health or any other form of education.. Take it out of something big i.e. some of the Defense Budget.. There are billions ofwasted dollars in the defense budget. So now we take that money out of tax revenue, people will get fired because there is not as much money anymore in the"government pot".. So let's find out what government jobs are: Teachers, Fireman, Police Dept., Community Workers, Colleges, Post office, I thinkyou see where I am going. Everything has a good/bad effect. Nothing will be 100% good, nothing will be 100% bad.
5. The Public Option is what I want, who knows what comes of it. You can't write it off as it will automatically be 100% success and you can't say itwill definitely fail. But some complete overhaul does need to be done. Not just medicare and Medicaid and SS, but the private insurance needs some sort of fireunder their @+*..With that said, I am more sold on it than tax cuts and let's see what happens, it happened in 93 and didn't work out so well.. Itisn't proposed nationalized health care but I know what you mean by it, so I will argue it as you see it, instead of how it is proposed. If it forcesPrivate insurance out of the business that sucks but the counter to it is, If government health care is so bad they can offer something government can't.It doesn't even have to be at a lower price but offer something Gov't can't. That is free market and the idea of differentiation.