How could you hate Obama?

[cwalk1950]

Originally Posted by NikFiend

Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

NikFiend wrote:

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Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

NikFiend wrote:

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JRose5 wrote:

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^^

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.

Cool guy.




JR5

if you want to say that i'm saying that to hop on "NikeTalk's bandwagon", go 'head.

But it's more than a niketalk bandwagon, its a widely recognized right-wing, extremely conservative news station that doesn't hide its biased opinions. I watch fox, as well as cnn and msnbc..but i don't agree with 75-95% of what they say...i find their arguments against almost all liberal moves, most of the time, ridiculous and unfair. They obviously try to shine light on all the negatives possible when it comes to the Democratic party or Obama himself. So my point of emphasizing the "Fox News" context was just to show that you're backing up what you say with the a conservative news source which is known for its biased opinion. Not only do i know this, so does NikeTalk , as well as LOTS of people, usually those with at least some political interests.

The reason why you see it as a NikeTalk "bandwagon" is probably due to the fact that NT generally consists of relatively young users- who are generally liberal..which means they see Fox as a flawed news station, because that is what its generally recognized as. I don't think what i'm saying is crazy, cool guy.

on so many levels. I swear some of you only have a perspective of what is 10ft ahead of you. Fox News is on the same exact level of MSNBC just on opposite sides of the spectrum. You state your preconceived bias against conservative views and yet expect to make an unbiased decision on whether a news channel is "flawed" or not? Does that make any sense? I mean come on man, LISTEN to what you are saying. It is essentially "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed".

Fox news is catered towards conservatives while MSNBC is catered towards conservatives. Of course your not going to like it, it is not trying to appease your view. You dont have to watch it. But to try to discredit a news agency based soley on their political leaning is not right. All news comes with a slant because more often then not, news providers are owned by companies with their own agenda.

ill cue the "Cool guy" face right about now.

No. I'm not saying "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed". You gotta read what im saying IN context. The first time i quoted was in response to a dude saying that Obama is not doing @#$% for America, but what i was saying is that from a conservative viewpoint yall say Obamas a big fail when he's just trying to clean up the Bush Administrations mess, going deeper into that will just lead to dudes like you taking out every little thing i say and trying to turn it on me, so thats generally what i was saying. its pretty simple

The second time was Jrose claiming that the only reason i emphasized Fox was to just be on the NT bandwagon, basically saying i was just trying to look cool by saying what everyone else would say. I responded saying that Fox is widely recognized as a flawed news station..if you are gonna argue that then this conversation should just be deaded right now. What you're saying about news stations being slightly one way or another is truth..im not arguing that. Theres a difference between "discrediting a news agency based solely on their political leaning" and discrediting a news station which is COMPLETELY one sided and uses the dumbest @#$% to make any democratic move look stupid. You've seen what Fox has done so don't act like you cant comprehend what i'm trying to get across..because it takes some understanding beyond just what i wrote to see where im saying, those youtube videos might be some help.

And that whole thing you got goin about me being biased against conservatives is a pointless argument..i can say the same exact thing to anyone that shows any leaning towards conservatism because that point will always be proven right, but thats usually understood so theres no point in even bringing it up

.

arguing politics online ftl


If you want to talk about taking things inside their context then maybe you should do the same for JR5's statement. He never said Obama was doing nothing for this country, just that he didnt support his ideals and that he was glad that other people were realizing the same. Sure, he may not have known that those people had their water turned off way before Obama was even elected, you still came off as biased because you completly ignored the story just because it was played on fox news. If you actually took the time to listen instead of drawing from previous conclusions you would have known that those people were upset and asking Obama to help them get their irrigation system turned back on.

The only mess Bush left Obama was the two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. America's deregulation of the financial system as well as the causes of the sub prime loan fiasco were already well underway during the Clinton administration. So if he's trying to clean up Bush's mess why aren't the troops home?

Fox News is widely known to be biased but is still able to pull is crowds 3 times the size of its competitors and in certain time slots brings in more viewers then all there competition combined? Im not saying Fox is better then any other news station because all of them are crap. Fox is just as extreme to their spectrum as MSNBC. You can make a case for saying that CNN slight leans to the left. Both MSNBC and Fox try to make each other look stupid the only difference is that Fox is more succesful at it in terms of viewership

All's I'm is don't act like the opposition is vile for doing something when your team is doing the exact same thing.
I got what you're saying. Its all good, i just feel like the fact this argument is online doesn't let us fully explain our point without writing an essay, so its kinda hard

. Good point, even if we disagree on some parts

^ insert essential's sig here, "Reality has a welll known liberal bias"

 

[justscoreda100]

Originally Posted by cwalk1950

Originally Posted by NikFiend

Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

NikFiend wrote:

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Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

NikFiend wrote:

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JRose5 wrote:

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^^

Dude, you and every other NikeTalker don't even know why you hate Fox News. Hop off the NikeTalk bandwagon.

Yeah, here's to you to.

Cool guy.




JR5

if you want to say that i'm saying that to hop on "NikeTalk's bandwagon", go 'head.

But it's more than a niketalk bandwagon, its a widely recognized right-wing, extremely conservative news station that doesn't hide its biased opinions. I watch fox, as well as cnn and msnbc..but i don't agree with 75-95% of what they say...i find their arguments against almost all liberal moves, most of the time, ridiculous and unfair. They obviously try to shine light on all the negatives possible when it comes to the Democratic party or Obama himself. So my point of emphasizing the "Fox News" context was just to show that you're backing up what you say with the a conservative news source which is known for its biased opinion. Not only do i know this, so does NikeTalk , as well as LOTS of people, usually those with at least some political interests.

The reason why you see it as a NikeTalk "bandwagon" is probably due to the fact that NT generally consists of relatively young users- who are generally liberal..which means they see Fox as a flawed news station, because that is what its generally recognized as. I don't think what i'm saying is crazy, cool guy.

on so many levels. I swear some of you only have a perspective of what is 10ft ahead of you. Fox News is on the same exact level of MSNBC just on opposite sides of the spectrum. You state your preconceived bias against conservative views and yet expect to make an unbiased decision on whether a news channel is "flawed" or not? Does that make any sense? I mean come on man, LISTEN to what you are saying. It is essentially "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed".

Fox news is catered towards conservatives while MSNBC is catered towards conservatives. Of course your not going to like it, it is not trying to appease your view. You dont have to watch it. But to try to discredit a news agency based soley on their political leaning is not right. All news comes with a slant because more often then not, news providers are owned by companies with their own agenda.

ill cue the "Cool guy" face right about now.

No. I'm not saying "I am openly biased and do not like dissenting views on liberal issues. People who disagree with me are flawed". You gotta read what im saying IN context. The first time i quoted was in response to a dude saying that Obama is not doing @#$% for America, but what i was saying is that from a conservative viewpoint yall say Obamas a big fail when he's just trying to clean up the Bush Administrations mess, going deeper into that will just lead to dudes like you taking out every little thing i say and trying to turn it on me, so thats generally what i was saying. its pretty simple

The second time was Jrose claiming that the only reason i emphasized Fox was to just be on the NT bandwagon, basically saying i was just trying to look cool by saying what everyone else would say. I responded saying that Fox is widely recognized as a flawed news station..if you are gonna argue that then this conversation should just be deaded right now. What you're saying about news stations being slightly one way or another is truth..im not arguing that. Theres a difference between "discrediting a news agency based solely on their political leaning" and discrediting a news station which is COMPLETELY one sided and uses the dumbest @#$% to make any democratic move look stupid. You've seen what Fox has done so don't act like you cant comprehend what i'm trying to get across..because it takes some understanding beyond just what i wrote to see where im saying, those youtube videos might be some help.

And that whole thing you got goin about me being biased against conservatives is a pointless argument..i can say the same exact thing to anyone that shows any leaning towards conservatism because that point will always be proven right, but thats usually understood so theres no point in even bringing it up

.

arguing politics online ftl

If you want to talk about taking things inside their context then maybe you should do the same for JR5's statement. He never said Obama was doing nothing for this country, just that he didnt support his ideals and that he was glad that other people were realizing the same. Sure, he may not have known that those people had their water turned off way before Obama was even elected, you still came off as biased because you completly ignored the story just because it was played on fox news. If you actually took the time to listen instead of drawing from previous conclusions you would have known that those people were upset and asking Obama to help them get their irrigation system turned back on.

The only mess Bush left Obama was the two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. America's deregulation of the financial system as well as the causes of the sub prime loan fiasco were already well underway during the Clinton administration. So if he's trying to clean up Bush's mess why aren't the troops home?

Fox News is widely known to be biased but is still able to pull is crowds 3 times the size of its competitors and in certain time slots brings in more viewers then all there competition combined? Im not saying Fox is better then any other news station because all of them are crap. Fox is just as extreme to their spectrum as MSNBC. You can make a case for saying that CNN slight leans to the left. Both MSNBC and Fox try to make each other look stupid the only difference is that Fox is more succesful at it in terms of viewership

All's I'm is don't act like the opposition is vile for doing something when your team is doing the exact same thing.
I got what you're saying. Its all good, i just feel like the fact this argument is online doesn't let us fully explain our point without writing an essay, so its kinda hard

. Good point, even if we disagree on some parts

^ insert essential's sig here, "Reality has a welll known liberal bias"

I would say that American society has a well knownliberal bias. Reality tends to be more anarchist.

 

[aka king arthur]

Originally Posted by j671

YOU CANT PLEASE EVERYONE.....

this

 

[senatorjeffsmith]

Originally Posted by AKA King Arthur

Mangudai954 wrote:

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I'm emailing this to Obama.

that made me chuckle

1984 ---Knocking on your door

 

[wstcoastgotti]

OP is an idiot

 

[dj sven]

Originally Posted by WstCoastGotti

OP is an idiot

Harsh...
But I agree

 

[Senoj]

Originally Posted by JRose5

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Because he promised people things he can't and won't ever deliver.

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.

Just saw on Fox News earlier about the California farmers getting their water cut off because the Obama administration wanted to preserve the two inch fish.

Why to put more people out of a job.




JR5

I'm pretty sure it was a judge in California who decided this, and not Obama's administration.

Next thing you know you guys will be blaming him for the Holocaust.

 

[kidfly sniperelite007]

Originally Posted by Whateversclever

Originally Posted by Biggie62

airmissionretro wrote:

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Look at it this way....a history lesson for you...




- Jesus was hated


- Buddah was hated


- Caesar was hated


- Confucious was hated


- Ghandhi was hated


- Napolean was hated


- Abraham Lincoln was hated


- MLK was hated


- JFK was hated


- Mao Zedong was hated


- Mother Teresa was hated


- Pope John Paul was hated


- Hitler was hated


- Saddam Hussien was hated


- Michael Jackson was hated


- Elvis Pressley was hated


- Tookie Williams was hated






.....whether or not they were good or bad people or what good or bad things they have done in history----They got their share of hate----and all the
criticism, and condemnation didn't stop them from doing what they do----and most importantly, garnering their respect by their following, whether they
criticized them or not..... point is... look where Obama and other people of power are at compared to their critics.






At the end of the day....people will always "hate" regardless of what you do....but at the end of the day, they got their respect---point blank.

No way did you just compare Obama to Jesus. I mean I ain't a devout Christian by any sense of the meaning as I'm more agnostic than anything else.
But seriously....

This dude just compared obama to jesus

. But umm who's TOOKIE

 

[mc miker]

Originally Posted by Adidas Freak

Originally Posted by JRose5

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Because he promised people things he can't and won't ever deliver.

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.

Just saw on Fox News earlier about the California farmers getting their water cut off because the Obama administration wanted to preserve the two inch fish.

Why to put more people out of a job.




JR5

I'm pretty sure it was a judge in California who decided this, and not Obama's administration.

Next thing you know you guys will be blaming him for the Holocaust.

that kind of reminds me about how you guys blamed Bush for everything.

 

[airmissionretro]

My post exactly proves my point....

 

[gtek]

Originally Posted by MC miker

Originally Posted by Adidas Freak

Originally Posted by JRose5

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Because he promised people things he can't and won't ever deliver.

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.

Just saw on Fox News earlier about the California farmers getting their water cut off because the Obama administration wanted to preserve the two inch fish.

Why to put more people out of a job.




JR5

I'm pretty sure it was a judge in California who decided this, and not Obama's administration.

Next thing you know you guys will be blaming him for the Holocaust.

that kind of reminds me about how you guys blamed Bush for everything.

But at that time it was wrong cause the president was Bush.
I swear I have watched Fox News and Republicans make a 360 spin from defending the president to offending the president in a matter of months.
I mean people wanna shout communist or socialist, when they dont even know what a president is supposed to be.

 

[justscoreda100]

Originally Posted by GTEK

Originally Posted by MC miker

Originally Posted by Adidas Freak

Originally Posted by JRose5

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Because he promised people things he can't and won't ever deliver.

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.

Just saw on Fox News earlier about the California farmers getting their water cut off because the Obama administration wanted to preserve the two inch fish.

Why to put more people out of a job.




JR5

I'm pretty sure it was a judge in California who decided this, and not Obama's administration.

Next thing you know you guys will be blaming him for the Holocaust.

that kind of reminds me about how you guys blamed Bush for everything.

But at that time it was wrong cause the president was Bush.
I swear I have watched Fox News and Republicans make a 360 spin from defending the president to offending the president in a matter of months.
I mean people wanna shout communist or socialist, when they dont even know what a president is supposed to be.

Thats funny because I could of swore 6 months ago Msnbc and Liberals made that same switch from offending the president to to defending thepresident

I do have one question though, what is your definition of what a president is supposed to be?

 

[aka king arthur]

No MSNBC still bashes bush for all of his illegal actions as president

 

[gtek]

Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

Originally Posted by GTEK

Originally Posted by MC miker

Originally Posted by Adidas Freak

Originally Posted by JRose5

Originally Posted by Biggie62

Because he promised people things he can't and won't ever deliver.

Exactly. This president is a bum and we all know why he was voted into office. I'm sick of people defending this joke of a president.

I knew his bull @%#@ would backfire. So glad his approval rating keeps dipping.

Just saw on Fox News earlier about the California farmers getting their water cut off because the Obama administration wanted to preserve the two inch fish.

Why to put more people out of a job.




JR5

I'm pretty sure it was a judge in California who decided this, and not Obama's administration.

Next thing you know you guys will be blaming him for the Holocaust.

that kind of reminds me about how you guys blamed Bush for everything.

But at that time it was wrong cause the president was Bush.
I swear I have watched Fox News and Republicans make a 360 spin from defending the president to offending the president in a matter of months.
I mean people wanna shout communist or socialist, when they dont even know what a president is supposed to be.

Thats funny because I could of swore 6 months ago Msnbc and Liberals made that same switch from offending the president to to defending the president

I do have one question though, what is your definition of what a president is supposed to be?

Only difference is Msnbc and Liberals had 8 years to base their judgement from.
But you state that as if it justifies Fox News and the other party. Eye for a eye eh?
And I will tell you what a president IS. An over hyped spokesman.

 

[chi ill]

Originally Posted by GTEK


Only difference is Msnbc and Liberals had 8 years to base their judgement from.

Whoa . This . Quoted for emphasis .

 

[justscoreda100]

The point I was trying to make and have made in my previous posts, is that both stations use the same tactic: bash the opposite party while defending the partythey support.

The reality is Obama has proposed back to back controversial bills that go against the core principles of conservative ideology. This is why conservatives areup and about full of rage. He is also pushing along some of radical changes at incredibly fast rate which are often not fully understood by congress beforethey are passed.

I don't understand how the definition you gave fits into the statement you made about people not understanding what the president is supposed to be. Careto explain?

 

[primetime]

Is this a serious question?

 

[gtek]

Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

The point I was trying to make and have made in my previous posts, is that both stations use the same tactic: bash the opposite party while defending the party they support.

The reality is Obama has proposed back to back controversial bills that go against the core principles of conservative ideology. This is why conservatives are up and about full of rage. He is also pushing along some of radical changes at incredibly fast rate which are often not fully understood by congress before they are passed.

I don't understand how the definition you gave fits into the statement you made about people not understanding what the president is supposed to be. Care to explain?

If that is the point you were trully trying to make then I apologize, because that is the absolute truth.
As for the second part I meant that most Americans dont even know what this looks like:



All they see is this.




The President is just one piece of the puzzle. Not the overall ruler but simply a spokesman as i stated before.

But thats it for me. Politics make me queeze.

 

[nikfiend]

Originally Posted by JustScoreda100

The point I was trying to make and have made in my previous posts, is that both stations use the same tactic: bash the opposite party while defending the party they support.

The reality is Obama has proposed back to back controversial bills that go against the core principles of conservative ideology. This is why conservatives are up and about full of rage. He is also pushing along some of radical changes at incredibly fast rate which are often not fully understood by congress before they are passed.

I don't understand how the definition you gave fits into the statement you made about people not understanding what the president is supposed to be. Care to explain?

Thats why i just let that argument come to an end last post..when you we're arguing with me i wasn't sure what your point was. Agreed,nonetheless.

 

[imperialh8]

To the OP I would say with any politician you have to stay on the defensive mode...you can never ever trust any politician...EVER!!!

You can't be convinced by his kind nature...You're a fool if you believe it.

Don't be carried away like most Americans do when it comes to Entertainment... easily manipulated by public image.

Just like how celebrities have publicists so do Presidents to uphold their public image to the standard of their careers....keep that in mind


I don't trust him completely...so far so bad as far as his diplomatic policies are going. I don't have any points about not like his personality, butfrom what I've stated I hope you shy away from your tunnel vision point of view.


Since you decided to make a thread about a politician I hope you are constantly up to date with your current events and you read & research more than youassume.

 

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by airmissionretro

Look at it this way....a history lesson for you...

- Jesus was hated
- Buddah was hated
- Caesar was hated
- Confucious was hated
- Ghandhi was hated
- Napolean was hated
- Abraham Lincoln was hated
- MLK was hated
- JFK was hated
- Mao Zedong was hated
- Mother Teresa was hated
- Pope John Paul was hated
- Hitler was hated
- Saddam Hussien was hated
- Michael Jackson was hated
- Elvis Pressley was hated
- Tookie Williams was hated


.....whether or not they were good or bad people or what good or bad things they have done in history----They got their share of hate----and all the criticism, and condemnation didn't stop them from doing what they do----and most importantly, garnering their respect by their following, whether they criticized them or not..... point is... look where Obama and other people of power are at compared to their critics.


At the end of the day....people will always "hate" regardless of what you do....but at the end of the day, they got their respect---point blank.

haha seeing tookie made me lol. not even with the rest of that list

 

[cwalk1950]

Originally Posted by imperialh8

To the OP I would say with any politician you have to stay on the defensive mode...you can never ever trust any politician...EVER!!!

You can't be convinced by his kind nature...You're a fool if you believe it.

Don't be carried away like most Americans do when it comes to Entertainment... easily manipulated by public image.

Just like how celebrities have publicists so do Presidents to uphold their public image to the standard of their careers....keep that in mind


I don't trust him completely...so far so bad as far as his diplomatic policies are going. I don't have any points about not like his personality, but from what I've stated I hope you shy away from your tunnel vision point of view.


Since you decided to make a thread about a politician I hope you are constantly up to date with your current events and you read & research more than you assume.

no tunnel vision here, i just like the guy as a person, my op was really referring to people who say he is racist and an angry black man and otherstupid stuff like that, things that attack his personality eventhough there is no proof of any such thing.

 

[imperialh8]

Originally Posted by cwalk1950

Originally Posted by imperialh8

To the OP I would say with any politician you have to stay on the defensive mode...you can never ever trust any politician...EVER!!!

You can't be convinced by his kind nature...You're a fool if you believe it.

Don't be carried away like most Americans do when it comes to Entertainment... easily manipulated by public image.

Just like how celebrities have publicists so do Presidents to uphold their public image to the standard of their careers....keep that in mind


I don't trust him completely...so far so bad as far as his diplomatic policies are going. I don't have any points about not like his personality, but from what I've stated I hope you shy away from your tunnel vision point of view.


Since you decided to make a thread about a politician I hope you are constantly up to date with your current events and you read & research more than you assume.

no tunnel vision here, i just like the guy as a person, my op was really referring to people who say he is racist and an angry black man and other stupid stuff like that, things that attack his personality eventhough there is no proof of any such thing.

The title of this thread Say"How could you hate Obama" You stating that is a very general topic...that could go into many differentvenues of discussion. Most of the responses in here are going to be political.

You do realized that you're going to get questioned because your basing this post on what you saw on tv about a man's personality that you don'tpersonally know.

How could you hate Obama you ask....well people don't give a sh*t about someones personality when it comes to something as important as taking care os theU.S...You could be the biggest c*nt of a president but if your policies are working well...you will be respected...

Once again stay defensive...