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**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins
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Laker rumors so annoying. Gon be a long off-season.
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If you’re talking about DLo vs Kyrie and FVV then sure…taking into account that you have to give up players to get them as opposed to just signing DLo outright.
But as far championship pieces IMO I’m not worried about the point guard position because the answer there is Austin Reaves. The question is who plays next to him…what type of player best complements AR in the backcourt? Honestly Max fits the prototype, big 3&D guard who can also rebound well for his position but doubt he will be ready next season.
D Lo is a useful player, he had some huge moments in the playoffs BUT he’s also a bit of a specialist.. and the further you go in the playoffs the harder it gets to play those types. They become more situational roles and coaching lineup adjustments players… don’t seem something he’d be on board with.
Anyhow, we’ll see what happens
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The only good thing about Kyrie is the 5 low’s and the infinity’s. Great hoop shoes
Keep that guy away from my squad unless it’s for a fraction of a max deal.
Keep that guy away from my squad unless it’s for a fraction of a max deal.
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Sure.
My point is DLo provides the most ability to build out every other position.
-If you go Kyrie, FVV. Hard capped and would require other assets.
-Let DLo walk, would need to let Beasley and Bamba walk to open up cap space to sign somebody. Or try to use Beasley + 17 for somebody better than DLo. But say it was Buddy Hield that you got. DLo+Beasley+17 for Buddy doesn’t really solve the other issues.
-If you S&T DLo for a non-FA player you’re likely adding in something else just to get it done. Because the trade would be for the Lakers need not the other way around.
As for AR at PG, maybe. But still not a proven PG for a long haul of a season, and hasn’t been asked to be that either. Would be putting a ton of pressure on AR. Whereas offensively the games of DLo/AR fit well to play off each other.
Defensively sure there’s fit issues.
I agree with the 3&D guy needed. But I would say it’s more important at the 3. And have Rui & Vando as your backup forwards to lean into depth. I just don’t like LeBron/AD as 3/4 at this point of LeBron’s career. Not because they need to be the Warriors, but they need some ability to shoot.
A LeBron/Vando/AD or LeBron/Rui/AD lineup isnt bad but it’s got just as many issues.
But if you want Bron/AD at the 3/4 then you need as many assets as possible to fill in everywhere.
As for DLo as a specialist, as much as he played like **** in the WCF. Ham did just as much to take him out of the game as DLo’s play or Nuggets scheme. DLo was the best facilitator on the team. And after the Game 1 debacle where everybody got their *** kicked. The offense went a slightly different route Game 2, and DLo had more time as a spot up shooter. The Lakers run very little to get guys open, at least compared to Denver. It’s usually a drive and kick. Especially when LeBron has the ball. It’s getting the defense to sink in and try to find someone open if the shot isn’t there.
Lakers offense after the all star break and first two rounds looked at a different level when DLo was making decisions. Ham went away from it. I get why, he wasn’t playing well. But after Game 1, rather than scheme defensively (Vando was what screwed everyone else up, and heightened everybody’s weaknesses) he just slowly took DLo out of the games. He played 35 minutes game 3 and game 4. There was no way he was going to average 15 in either game.
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D’lo would fit well on the clippers
I would sign and trade D’lo, Beasley and Vanderbilt for A sign and traded Russ Westbrook at 30 mill.
I would sign and trade D’lo, Beasley and Vanderbilt for A sign and traded Russ Westbrook at 30 mill.
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I know that was sarcasm.
But Clippers are going to lose Westbrook. Unless he signs for $5mil. They don’t have any rights for him, and don’t have space either.
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Malik Beasley, SG, Lakers ($16,6624,106): Beasley’s option weighs heavily on the Lakers’ cap scenarios for next season. Declining the option makes it plausible for L.A. to operate as a cap room team; picking it up would push L.A. toward the luxury tax but also make it possible to use his contract in a trade for more help.
It’s a shame Beasley wasn’t more useful in L.A. The idea of his shooting was something the Lakers really could have used, but Beasley never got untracked, and his consistently deficient defense made it tough to keep him on the floor if shots weren’t falling. I suspect both Beasley and L.A. would benefit from dancing with different partners, and his trade value at $16.6 million isn’t sufficient enough to warrant picking up the option. Prediction: Option declined
Mo Bamba, C, L.A. Lakers ($10,300,000): The Lakers can zap Bamba from their books by waiving him before June 29, something that would make sense valuation-wise: L.A. is set at center, and Bamba’s $5.9 million BORD$ valuation doesn’t argue for paying him this kind of money. Additionally, waiving Bamba could open up some interesting cap-room possibilities for the Lakers, especially in concert with declining the option on Beasley above.
It’s not a slam dunk, however, because there are some scenarios in which Bamba could be useful as a trade chip. L.A. would have to know in advance of July 1 that it has a sign-and-trade ready to go. I don’t know for whom, but suppose hypothetically there was a much-discussed point guard. If they had everything else lined up, guaranteeing Bamba and then aggregating him with Beasley and Shaquille Harrison could bring back up to $36.7 million in salary and, most likely, still allow the Lakers to stay just below the tax apron, which permits sign-and-trades. Prediction: Waived
Jarred Vanderbilt, PF, L.A. Lakers ($4,698,000; $300,000 guaranteed): Vanderbilt has one of the best value contracts in the league; while the Lakers can create additional cap room by waiving him before June 30, they could also generate similar room by trading him for draft capital. As a result, it would make little sense to jettison the 24-year-old frontcourt energizer.. Prediction: Not waived
It’s a shame Beasley wasn’t more useful in L.A. The idea of his shooting was something the Lakers really could have used, but Beasley never got untracked, and his consistently deficient defense made it tough to keep him on the floor if shots weren’t falling. I suspect both Beasley and L.A. would benefit from dancing with different partners, and his trade value at $16.6 million isn’t sufficient enough to warrant picking up the option. Prediction: Option declined
Mo Bamba, C, L.A. Lakers ($10,300,000): The Lakers can zap Bamba from their books by waiving him before June 29, something that would make sense valuation-wise: L.A. is set at center, and Bamba’s $5.9 million BORD$ valuation doesn’t argue for paying him this kind of money. Additionally, waiving Bamba could open up some interesting cap-room possibilities for the Lakers, especially in concert with declining the option on Beasley above.
It’s not a slam dunk, however, because there are some scenarios in which Bamba could be useful as a trade chip. L.A. would have to know in advance of July 1 that it has a sign-and-trade ready to go. I don’t know for whom, but suppose hypothetically there was a much-discussed point guard. If they had everything else lined up, guaranteeing Bamba and then aggregating him with Beasley and Shaquille Harrison could bring back up to $36.7 million in salary and, most likely, still allow the Lakers to stay just below the tax apron, which permits sign-and-trades. Prediction: Waived
Jarred Vanderbilt, PF, L.A. Lakers ($4,698,000; $300,000 guaranteed): Vanderbilt has one of the best value contracts in the league; while the Lakers can create additional cap room by waiving him before June 30, they could also generate similar room by trading him for draft capital. As a result, it would make little sense to jettison the 24-year-old frontcourt energizer.. Prediction: Not waived
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Expiring Bamba, expiring Beasley, expiring Harrison 2029 first (not protected) 2023 first and or 3 second rounders gives you 36.7 mill to trade.
Team acquiring such package would free up nearly 40 mill of cap for next summer AND pick up 1 or 2 first rounders.
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Maybe if they were trying to save money and have margin of error. But it makes almost zero sense to decline Beasley and waive Mo.
Yells Hollinger while raising my fist in the air.
Yells Hollinger while raising my fist in the air.
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First time?
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thats because they dont have to
MCMenamin also talked about this yesterday while on 710 discussing the Kryrie stuff
MCMenamin also talked about this yesterday while on 710 discussing the Kryrie stuff
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Sure they don’t HAVE to because AD is still under contract for next season.
But, do you think AD wants to play the season out knowing his injury history or lock into that guaranteed money right now?
When stars want their money you either pay them or trade them… don’t think there’s really an in between game.
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Doesn't make sense to not extend him. He's one of the top 5 big men in the league even with injuries.
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AD doesn’t have to prove anything.
If he asks for the extension you have to give it to him… what are the Lakers going to do… Play hardball with AD going into a season where he can opt out and enter free agency?
It’s one thing to be cheap about role players, but taking care of stars is the Lakers way. I fully expect for them to offer the extension to AD this summer and lock him into a long term deal.
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With D'lo and AD it's about logistics as much as anything. Doesn't really matter if you like the players or not. Just makes no sense to let them walk
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I have faith in Dlo
rooting for him to bounce back.
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Eh, he does have stuff to prove mainly that he can stand the rigors of an NBA season. 30, 40, 56. Not just blindly throwing him the bag unless there's another star with him going forward. They have until August to make that happen so may be a moot point.
