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Originally Posted by JD214
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Originally Posted by M1dnightMobster
Originally Posted by rtz13
@lobotomybeats
The 10 Commandments was given as not only a law, but as a mirror that reflects to us how God sees man. There is no way anyone can or will ever fulfill the whole of the law. There was only one, the man-Christ Jesus. The punishment was shown as how serious a breaking of these commandments was, also many of the rules that Yahweh gave to the Jews were so that civilization could evolve into what it was today. I don't think you can deny the fact that 'religion' (in general) and Christianity (specifically, including the Pentateuch and 'old' law) helped bring along and establish civilization as we know it today.
In regards to your atheism, even to those who aren't 'believers' it is obvious you are fighting hard and trying to prove to NT and the world you don't believe in God, and we get it. The Bible puts it in man's heart that there is a God, and I find it no surprise you have to fight so hard, and shout so loud, trying to disprove the reality. Someone once jokingly said "God doesn't believe in atheists." Just remember when it is all said and done, we all die, and the words of God you try so hard to mock, and make fun of, will also be the law that will judge you.
If the punishment that God gave to men to execute on these 10 commandments is harsh, imagine the punishment and wrath the Creator of these commandments will deliver. The writer of Hebrews said "And as it is appointed unto men once to die but after this the judgment."
If you feel any fear or conviction towards this, your only hope is Jesus Christ. No fulfilling of the law (being a good person) or going to church ("Churchianity") will ever save you or can ever save you. Paul wrote to the Ephesians, "By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast." "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
And to everyone else "Repent or you will likewise perish."
QFT
you said it better than I could have ever put into words.
why reject God? is it because of the rules? God is giving you everything that is GOOD for you. He is the ultimate positive. A relationship without God through Jesus Christ is nothing but detrimerntal. A relationhip with God through Jesus Christ is nothing but beneficial.
Sure, but I think it's important to have these discussions.Originally Posted by luxurious24
truth is only truly revealed in death,
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Originally Posted by M1dnightMobster
Originally Posted by rtz13
@lobotomybeats
The 10 Commandments was given as not only a law, but as a mirror that reflects to us how God sees man. There is no way anyone can or will ever fulfill the whole of the law. There was only one, the man-Christ Jesus. The punishment was shown as how serious a breaking of these commandments was, also many of the rules that Yahweh gave to the Jews were so that civilization could evolve into what it was today. I don't think you can deny the fact that 'religion' (in general) and Christianity (specifically, including the Pentateuch and 'old' law) helped bring along and establish civilization as we know it today.
In regards to your atheism, even to those who aren't 'believers' it is obvious you are fighting hard and trying to prove to NT and the world you don't believe in God, and we get it. The Bible puts it in man's heart that there is a God, and I find it no surprise you have to fight so hard, and shout so loud, trying to disprove the reality. Someone once jokingly said "God doesn't believe in atheists." Just remember when it is all said and done, we all die, and the words of God you try so hard to mock, and make fun of, will also be the law that will judge you.
If the punishment that God gave to men to execute on these 10 commandments is harsh, imagine the punishment and wrath the Creator of these commandments will deliver. The writer of Hebrews said "And as it is appointed unto men once to die but after this the judgment."
If you feel any fear or conviction towards this, your only hope is Jesus Christ. No fulfilling of the law (being a good person) or going to church ("Churchianity") will ever save you or can ever save you. Paul wrote to the Ephesians, "By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast." "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
And to everyone else "Repent or you will likewise perish."
QFT
you said it better than I could have ever put into words.
why reject God? is it because of the rules? God is giving you everything that is GOOD for you. He is the ultimate positive. A relationship without God through Jesus Christ is nothing but detrimerntal. A relationhip with God through Jesus Christ is nothing but beneficial.![]()
I don't know why this is such a hard concept for religious people to grasp. They are so stuck in their own little bubble of ignorance that they fail to acknowledge the fact that other religions and philosophies consider them the atheists.Originally Posted by blackxme
It is that humorous, you make it sound as though we atheists/agnostics can't possibly lead a life without Jesus.
And what makes Jesus so great? Why not be a Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? What makes Christianity so great?
Humans don't need to believe in anything to be a better person or have some sort of morality. Although many of you here would like to think so, it just isn't essential.
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
I don't know why this is such a hard concept for religious people to grasp. They are so stuck in their own little bubble of ignorance that they fail to acknowledge the fact that other religions and philosophies consider them the atheists.Originally Posted by blackxme
It is that humorous, you make it sound as though we atheists/agnostics can't possibly lead a life without Jesus.
And what makes Jesus so great? Why not be a Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? What makes Christianity so great?
Humans don't need to believe in anything to be a better person or have some sort of morality. Although many of you here would like to think so, it just isn't essential.![]()
Originally Posted by blackxme
It is that humorous, you make it sound as though we atheists/agnostics can't possibly lead a life without Jesus.
And what makes Jesus so great? Why not be a Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? What makes Christianity so great?
Humans don't need to believe in anything to be a better person or have some sort of morality. Although many of you here would like to think so, it just isn't essential.
During those times, it is not like civilizations were as progressive interms of all the things we have in society today. So, if a man camealong and preached to the masses while he was high on drugs, or he wasepileptic, and getting all these visualizations claiming he has seenGods or God and God talks to him, especially during times of strife andpolitical type of change, people were going to suck it up and begullible enough to believe it because they wanted guidance. Not onlythat, most religions evolved. Not all these religions today wereoriginally same as they were preached back then. Religions transform toconform and to adapt to the change in society and civilizations. Ashumans, we are biologically wired to believe in faith to answer ourquestions all that is about this life. Humans have believed in faithssince the beginning of mankind. There are so many different kinds ofreligions and faiths, and I am supposed to believe there is ONE truereligion? How do we know if even most of today's religions in thousandsof years will even still have survived?
THIS.
Originally Posted by JPioneer
I thought this would be about the ten crack commandments![]()
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All of the answers religion has for moral dilemmas that rationale and logic can't deal with saying "do it because ______ said to" or "do it or you won't go to heaven/will go to hell/be punished in your next life." You also seem to be ignoring the answers religion gives that are illogical and morally wrong.Originally Posted by Mo Matik
The moral dilemmas religion provides answers to. Answers that mere rationale and logic cannot provide.
Originally Posted by Dirtylicious
geez.. you really have something against Christianity, huh?
Originally Posted by Jerome in the House
Originally Posted by JD214
Dude seriously you've been going hard on religion lately![]()
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.....And religion has been going hard on billions of people forever.
Originally Posted by Hankzilla
Originally Posted by Jerome in the House
Originally Posted by JD214
Dude seriously you've been going hard on religion lately![]()
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.....And religion has been going hard on billions of people forever.
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