Let's look at the Ten Commandments, shall we?

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Originally Posted by M1dnightMobster

Originally Posted by rtz13

@lobotomybeats

The 10 Commandments was given as not only a law, but as a mirror that reflects to us how God sees man. There is no way anyone can or will ever fulfill the whole of the law. There was only one, the man-Christ Jesus. The punishment was shown as how serious a breaking of these commandments was, also many of the rules that Yahweh gave to the Jews were so that civilization could evolve into what it was today. I don't think you can deny the fact that 'religion' (in general) and Christianity (specifically, including the Pentateuch and 'old' law) helped bring along and establish civilization as we know it today.

In regards to your atheism, even to those who aren't 'believers' it is obvious you are fighting hard and trying to prove to NT and the world you don't believe in God, and we get it. The Bible puts it in man's heart that there is a God, and I find it no surprise you have to fight so hard, and shout so loud, trying to disprove the reality. Someone once jokingly said "God doesn't believe in atheists." Just remember when it is all said and done, we all die, and the words of God you try so hard to mock, and make fun of, will also be the law that will judge you.

If the punishment that God gave to men to execute on these 10 commandments is harsh, imagine the punishment and wrath the Creator of these commandments will deliver. The writer of Hebrews said "And as it is appointed unto men once to die but after this the judgment."

If you feel any fear or conviction towards this, your only hope is Jesus Christ. No fulfilling of the law (being a good person) or going to church ("Churchianity") will ever save you or can ever save you. Paul wrote to the Ephesians, "By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast." "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

And to everyone else "Repent or you will likewise perish."


QFT

you said it better than I could have ever put into words.

why reject God? is it because of the rules? God is giving you everything that is GOOD for you. He is the ultimate positive. A relationship without God through Jesus Christ is nothing but detrimerntal. A relationhip with God through Jesus Christ is nothing but beneficial.
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Originally Posted by luxurious24

truth is only truly revealed in death,
Sure, but I think it's important to have these discussions.

As long as I live I want to know as much about the universe in which we live. Science has provided so much for me and my understanding of
how we essentially got here.
 
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by M1dnightMobster

Originally Posted by rtz13

@lobotomybeats

The 10 Commandments was given as not only a law, but as a mirror that reflects to us how God sees man. There is no way anyone can or will ever fulfill the whole of the law. There was only one, the man-Christ Jesus. The punishment was shown as how serious a breaking of these commandments was, also many of the rules that Yahweh gave to the Jews were so that civilization could evolve into what it was today. I don't think you can deny the fact that 'religion' (in general) and Christianity (specifically, including the Pentateuch and 'old' law) helped bring along and establish civilization as we know it today.

In regards to your atheism, even to those who aren't 'believers' it is obvious you are fighting hard and trying to prove to NT and the world you don't believe in God, and we get it. The Bible puts it in man's heart that there is a God, and I find it no surprise you have to fight so hard, and shout so loud, trying to disprove the reality. Someone once jokingly said "God doesn't believe in atheists." Just remember when it is all said and done, we all die, and the words of God you try so hard to mock, and make fun of, will also be the law that will judge you.

If the punishment that God gave to men to execute on these 10 commandments is harsh, imagine the punishment and wrath the Creator of these commandments will deliver. The writer of Hebrews said "And as it is appointed unto men once to die but after this the judgment."

If you feel any fear or conviction towards this, your only hope is Jesus Christ. No fulfilling of the law (being a good person) or going to church ("Churchianity") will ever save you or can ever save you. Paul wrote to the Ephesians, "By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast." "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

And to everyone else "Repent or you will likewise perish."




QFT



you said it better than I could have ever put into words.



why reject God? is it because of the rules? God is giving you everything that is GOOD for you. He is the ultimate positive. A relationship without God through Jesus Christ is nothing but detrimerntal. A relationhip with God through Jesus Christ is nothing but beneficial.
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it's really not humorous, my man. no sense in arguing though. *exits stage right*

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^^^^I only laughed because of how "matter of fact" you said all that...like there was any proof and like it wasn't all opinion
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-Like we aren't taught to believe in any one religion
-Like Jesus Christ is universally a savior to all people....even other religions
 
It is that humorous, you make it sound as though we atheists/agnostics can't possibly lead a life without Jesus.
And what makes Jesus so great? Why not be a Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? What makes Christianity so great?

Humans don't need to believe in anything to be a better person or have some sort of morality. Although many of you here would like to think so, it just isn't essential.
 
Originally Posted by blackxme

It is that humorous, you make it sound as though we atheists/agnostics can't possibly lead a life without Jesus.
And what makes Jesus so great? Why not be a Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? What makes Christianity so great?

Humans don't need to believe in anything to be a better person or have some sort of morality. Although many of you here would like to think so, it just isn't essential.
I don't know why this is such a hard concept for religious people to grasp. They are so stuck in their own little bubble of ignorance that they fail to acknowledge the fact that other religions and philosophies consider them the atheists.
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Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by blackxme

It is that humorous, you make it sound as though we atheists/agnostics can't possibly lead a life without Jesus.
And what makes Jesus so great? Why not be a Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? What makes Christianity so great?

Humans don't need to believe in anything to be a better person or have some sort of morality. Although many of you here would like to think so, it just isn't essential.
I don't know why this is such a hard concept for religious people to grasp. They are so stuck in their own little bubble of ignorance that they fail to acknowledge the fact that other religions and philosophies consider them the atheists.
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I want to answer these questions in an intelligent, cogent, and persuasive way, but honestly I lack the knowledge of my own faith and the words to provide a rebuttal. So, let's just leave it at that guys.

Carry on.
 
Originally Posted by blackxme

It is that humorous, you make it sound as though we atheists/agnostics can't possibly lead a life without Jesus.
And what makes Jesus so great? Why not be a Muslim? Hindu? Jewish? What makes Christianity so great?

Humans don't need to believe in anything to be a better person or have some sort of morality. Although many of you here would like to think so, it just isn't essential.


Christianity is a continuity of Judaism and Islam is a continuity of both Judaism and Christianity. So for Muslims, they believe in Jesus and the Jewish prophets, but Jesus as a prophet and messenger of God.

There are so many faiths and religions and most of them claim as to be exclusively the true religion and the truth. I just cannot grasp how there has been religions since the beginning of mankind whether they worshipped suns or the moon or transcendent figures, and they have evolved so much and continue to evolve whether some die off or others are newly created or others transform. There cannot be just one true ultimate religion.
 
Exactly Anton. People who are Christian view themselves as having the "right" form of religion. And the same goes for Muslims, Hindus, etc. Yet they themselves deny every other form of religion that is out there(making them atheists in a sense), but  they can't seem to understand why we deny them and their beliefs.

So who is really right? How can any of these religions possibly make a case for being the best? I don't think they can.
 
Religion (no matter the denomination) is just a guide to live by.... basically to keep you morally in line. there is no true religion.  
 
During those times, it is not like civilizations were as progressive interms of all the things we have in society today. So, if a man camealong and preached to the masses while he was high on drugs, or he wasepileptic, and getting all these visualizations claiming he has seenGods or God and God talks to him, especially during times of strife andpolitical type of change, people were going to suck it up and begullible enough to believe it because they wanted guidance. Not onlythat, most religions evolved. Not all these religions today wereoriginally same as they were preached back then. Religions transform toconform and to adapt to the change in society and civilizations. Ashumans, we are biologically wired to believe in faith to answer ourquestions all that is about this life. Humans have believed in faithssince the beginning of mankind. There are so many different kinds ofreligions and faiths, and I am supposed to believe there is ONE truereligion? How do we know if even most of today's religions in thousandsof years will even still have survived?
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"Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

By the law(10 commandments being part) are ALL condemned. Religion is irrelevant. Humanity is radically depraved as we can see by people's reactions/feelings towards it. Some blatantly disregard it, while others trying to pass it off as irrelevant, as if an archaic law for another people with no application towards us. 10 Commandments will always be a mirror of who humanity is, how they fall short of Yahweh/Jehovah, and man will NEVER be able to fulfill the law.

By Moses came the law(10 commandments, and all other laws in the Pentateuch), but grace and truth by Jesus Christ. The gospel is simple, God's wrath had to lay down on humanity. The law and sacrifices were never the means to save humanity, but shown to the Jewish people that they needed to trust on another, because of their inability to keep the WHOLE of the law. All the sacrifices and offerings were only a picture of Jesus Christ. The cross that Jesus Christ died on for a payment for humanity towards God. Only God Himself could justify God not destroying all of mankind. God is not only a God of love, He is a God of justice. And whether you believe in the Bible or not, we will all one day face God, not as a Saviour, but as the judge of mankind. Disregard his Word, disregard his Son, but it is a fact that we will all face God.

Your only hope is trusting in Jesus Christ as the only means of salvation, by his death on the cross, his burial, and his resurrection. If this is not true man is still cursed from God, and waiting for his wrath until this day, however...

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree"

Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, God the Son or ye shall all perish. In this life, and eternity to come.
 
Originally Posted by JPioneer

I thought this would be about the ten crack commandments
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Somebody should make a thread trying to criticize it.
Originally Posted by Mo Matik

 The moral dilemmas religion provides answers to. Answers that mere rationale and logic cannot provide.
All of the answers religion has for moral dilemmas that rationale and logic can't deal with saying "do it because ______ said to" or "do it or you won't go to heaven/will go to hell/be punished in your next life." You also seem to be ignoring the answers religion gives that are illogical and morally wrong.

I mean seriously if you strip away every mention of GOD, the miracles, and any other mysticism from the bible and pay attention to the parts that tell you how to be a good person and do what's right it's just a bunch of philosophers changing their views over time or one rigidly unproven philosphical view that ppl can easily realize isn't morally right.

All of the moral dilemmas religion provides good answers to are rational and logical. I'd like you to provide some answers religion provides to moral dilemmas that a logical and rational person could not come up with. That would be rather amazing.
 
posting for later I hope this thread doesn't get locked before I get to analyze it...
 
there really is no point of talking about religion anymore. Im tired of defending my agnostic views to my friends and family, im just to tired to keep talking about it. im done.
 
Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

geez.. you really have something against Christianity, huh?

I'm saying. Dude stay bashing Christianity- further proving that in the realm of annoyance. Non-believers >
  
 
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