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My boo been did that
This has nothing to do with rap
This has nothing to do with rap
Man Drake Really Is Bringin' Hip Hop To Jewish Folks...
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Son i work with predominately Hasidic jews in NYC, most of whom hail from brooklyn. A certain fellow who works with me and happens to be jewish told he that they "secretly hate you." He told me straight me up that to them i am sub-human.
blew my mind. if one of their own is conscious of that and told me imagine what doesnt get out.
Extremists of ANY denomination are a detriment to progress.
blew my mind. if one of their own is conscious of that and told me imagine what doesnt get out.
Extremists of ANY denomination are a detriment to progress.
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I know someone who works at a hospital in Williamsburg. I heard their inbreeding is out of control. Some of the babies he's seen are missing their skull and their brain is exposed.
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This is sad first and foremost, and it's interesting on many levels as well.
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Yo man, I don't hate those Jews but they annoy the hell out of me. My sister who lives in Williamsburg told me that they don't talk to anyone but other Hasidic Jews and that they basically think everyone who isn't like them is going to hell. When I visit Brooklyn, they always seem to be in their own world and don't talk to anyone but each other and they also seem to have a superiority complex.
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So apparently this has been an issue for years...
[h3]By ERICA SCHACTER SCHWARTZ[/h3]
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It began on the radio this summer. New York Assemblyman Dov Hikind ran a segment on his Saturday night talk show titled "We Are Only as Sick as Our Secrets: Sexual Abuse, Healing the Shame," featuring graphic accounts of sexual abuse of children in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community in Brooklyn.
There had been a few high-profile cases before, but this "was when the floodgates opened," explained Mr. Hikind, an Orthodox Jew himself. Following the show, additional victims and their family members came forward to share with Mr. Hikind their own stories. "Cases of sexual abuse are not worse among the Orthodox," clarifies Mr. Hikind. "But when there's a problem and you don't deal with it, it gets worse." Over the past few months he has collected hundreds of testimonies spanning several decades, naming at least 50 alleged pedophiles across the tri-state Orthodox Jewish community, including well-respected rabbis and teachers.
But now these testimonies have become a source of contention. They have been subpoenaed for a civil suit by a lawyer representing six former students of Rabbi Yehuda Kolko, a longtime teacher at one of Borough Park's leading all-male yeshivas, who has been charged repeatedly since the 1980s with sexually molesting his students. (Last year Rabbi Kolko pleaded guilty to child endangerment.) The problem is that Mr. Hikind had sworn to keep the testimonies confidential.
Mr. Hikind claims he will "do the right thing" about the subpoena without betraying the names of any of the victims. While he will not hand over his complete list of alleged perpetrators, he says that "we are starting to share names" with Brooklyn District Attorney Charles J. Hynes.
Many people give Mr. Hikind credit for bringing much needed attention to an issue in the Orthodox community that has frequently been swept under the rug. (One exception to the silent treatment was the Orthodox Union's creation of a special commission in 2000 to investigate the sexual abuse charges against Rabbi Baruch Lanner, leader of the National Conference of Synagogue Youth, who was later convicted.) He also deserves credit for getting victims to talk at all. Mr. Hikind says that he encourages each victim who comes to him to go directly to the police, but no one is willing to. They are too afraid of the repercussions for themselves and their families in terms of reputation and marriageability.
The trouble is that subpoena or no subpoena, he has valuable information that is not being effectively utilized to investigate the alleged offenders and get them off the streets. "Dov Hikind has decided that secrecy is a more worthwhile value than child protection," explains Marci A. Hamilton, a professor at the Cardozo School of Law and an expert in clergy law. By witholding the names of the perpetrators, "he is sharing in the responsibility of every child who is harmed by them."
What Mr. Hikind wants to do instead is tackle the issue from within the community. He has assembled a task force of rabbis, therapists, principals and pediatricians to help the community respond to cases of sexually abused children -- raising awareness, forming a registry of teachers (so that a teacher who is removed from one school does not simply go to another) and devising a system of investigating allegations. Investigation is extremely important, he adds, because "you have to make sure an innocent person is not being thrown to the wolves."
While Mr. Hikind's effort is well-intentioned, Prof. Hamilton calls it "a doomed project." Resolving cases of sexual abuse without the legal establishment in this country "has never worked in any other religious community," she points out, citing the Catholic Church as an example. And the truth is, many rabbis agree with her. According to Rabbi Mark Dratch, the chief executive officer of JSAFE (The Jewish Institute Supporting an Abuse-Free Environment), "Rabbinic authorities do not have the expertise or ability to handle these things. Making reports [to the legal authorities] is the only way to go."
Mr. Hikind insists that his plan does not look to circumvent law enforcement, but to collaborate with it. The question, though, is if the ultra-Orthodox constituency that Mr. Hikind is working with will be a real partner in this endeavor. In the past, they have unfortunately been resistant, worrying more about the consequences of disparaging renowned Torah scholars than about protecting a child's life. Some rabbis in the community have even impeded the efforts of other rabbis who are willing to speak out and take action. Orthodox rabbi and psychologist Benzion Twerski resigned from Mr. Hikind's task force for fear of tarnishing his reputation and his family's reputation within the community. In Williamsburg, Rabbi Nuchum Rosenberg received threats for speaking out against abuse in his community.
So is Mr. Hikind's plan "doomed"? It depends. If the community is willing to take more cases to the police rather than watching alleged perpetrators float from one community to another, where they will no doubt prey again, then great. But if they are not, if they succumb to the same social pressures that have paralyzed them for decades, then every day that goes by another community of children is at risk.
No matter what happens, though, Mr. Hikind promises not to reveal any victims' names. "I will not, God forbid, destroy a person's life all over again," he says. That's good. But let's hope another child's life is not destroyed either.
Ms. Schwartz writes a monthly column for the Jewish Week.
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- HOUSES OF WORSHIP
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[h3]By ERICA SCHACTER SCHWARTZ[/h3]
[article=""]
It began on the radio this summer. New York Assemblyman Dov Hikind ran a segment on his Saturday night talk show titled "We Are Only as Sick as Our Secrets: Sexual Abuse, Healing the Shame," featuring graphic accounts of sexual abuse of children in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community in Brooklyn.
There had been a few high-profile cases before, but this "was when the floodgates opened," explained Mr. Hikind, an Orthodox Jew himself. Following the show, additional victims and their family members came forward to share with Mr. Hikind their own stories. "Cases of sexual abuse are not worse among the Orthodox," clarifies Mr. Hikind. "But when there's a problem and you don't deal with it, it gets worse." Over the past few months he has collected hundreds of testimonies spanning several decades, naming at least 50 alleged pedophiles across the tri-state Orthodox Jewish community, including well-respected rabbis and teachers.
But now these testimonies have become a source of contention. They have been subpoenaed for a civil suit by a lawyer representing six former students of Rabbi Yehuda Kolko, a longtime teacher at one of Borough Park's leading all-male yeshivas, who has been charged repeatedly since the 1980s with sexually molesting his students. (Last year Rabbi Kolko pleaded guilty to child endangerment.) The problem is that Mr. Hikind had sworn to keep the testimonies confidential.
Mr. Hikind claims he will "do the right thing" about the subpoena without betraying the names of any of the victims. While he will not hand over his complete list of alleged perpetrators, he says that "we are starting to share names" with Brooklyn District Attorney Charles J. Hynes.
Many people give Mr. Hikind credit for bringing much needed attention to an issue in the Orthodox community that has frequently been swept under the rug. (One exception to the silent treatment was the Orthodox Union's creation of a special commission in 2000 to investigate the sexual abuse charges against Rabbi Baruch Lanner, leader of the National Conference of Synagogue Youth, who was later convicted.) He also deserves credit for getting victims to talk at all. Mr. Hikind says that he encourages each victim who comes to him to go directly to the police, but no one is willing to. They are too afraid of the repercussions for themselves and their families in terms of reputation and marriageability.
The trouble is that subpoena or no subpoena, he has valuable information that is not being effectively utilized to investigate the alleged offenders and get them off the streets. "Dov Hikind has decided that secrecy is a more worthwhile value than child protection," explains Marci A. Hamilton, a professor at the Cardozo School of Law and an expert in clergy law. By witholding the names of the perpetrators, "he is sharing in the responsibility of every child who is harmed by them."
What Mr. Hikind wants to do instead is tackle the issue from within the community. He has assembled a task force of rabbis, therapists, principals and pediatricians to help the community respond to cases of sexually abused children -- raising awareness, forming a registry of teachers (so that a teacher who is removed from one school does not simply go to another) and devising a system of investigating allegations. Investigation is extremely important, he adds, because "you have to make sure an innocent person is not being thrown to the wolves."
While Mr. Hikind's effort is well-intentioned, Prof. Hamilton calls it "a doomed project." Resolving cases of sexual abuse without the legal establishment in this country "has never worked in any other religious community," she points out, citing the Catholic Church as an example. And the truth is, many rabbis agree with her. According to Rabbi Mark Dratch, the chief executive officer of JSAFE (The Jewish Institute Supporting an Abuse-Free Environment), "Rabbinic authorities do not have the expertise or ability to handle these things. Making reports [to the legal authorities] is the only way to go."
Mr. Hikind insists that his plan does not look to circumvent law enforcement, but to collaborate with it. The question, though, is if the ultra-Orthodox constituency that Mr. Hikind is working with will be a real partner in this endeavor. In the past, they have unfortunately been resistant, worrying more about the consequences of disparaging renowned Torah scholars than about protecting a child's life. Some rabbis in the community have even impeded the efforts of other rabbis who are willing to speak out and take action. Orthodox rabbi and psychologist Benzion Twerski resigned from Mr. Hikind's task force for fear of tarnishing his reputation and his family's reputation within the community. In Williamsburg, Rabbi Nuchum Rosenberg received threats for speaking out against abuse in his community.
So is Mr. Hikind's plan "doomed"? It depends. If the community is willing to take more cases to the police rather than watching alleged perpetrators float from one community to another, where they will no doubt prey again, then great. But if they are not, if they succumb to the same social pressures that have paralyzed them for decades, then every day that goes by another community of children is at risk.
No matter what happens, though, Mr. Hikind promises not to reveal any victims' names. "I will not, God forbid, destroy a person's life all over again," he says. That's good. But let's hope another child's life is not destroyed either.
Ms. Schwartz writes a monthly column for the Jewish Week.
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It's their culture. Typical NT ethnocentrism. Who are you to say millenia old belief syystem is any worse than yours? Despicable, but predictable.
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Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
Originally Posted by jhova718
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
this is why i hate religion.
religion is not greater than the law son.
You are dumb deaf and blind.
Because i disagree with their/your point of view?
Please elaborate.
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I'm jewish but some of these hasidic's are out of their mind. Not only are non jews sub-human to them, so am I and everybody that isn't a strict hasidic jew. They follow the religion's strict guidelines and think the rest of us who dont are going to hell, but they think harboring child molesters, many of whom are in position of power like rabbi's and teachers is OK? How?
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To whos progress?
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Judgement is deserving when people are being exploited against their will...
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Typical western cultural facism.
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These people are outside their got damn mind, and so are those of you in here defending them. Just because they've been practicing something for hundreds of years doesn't make it OK
. After hearing about this along with those two "neighborhood watch" members who beat that 15-year old boy damn near to death, these people seem to be completely mired in ignorance. If you want to live in your own community and keep to yourselves, cool; but that doesn't put you above anyone else or the laws of the country and state in which you live.
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This.
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I remember watching a Law & Order: SVU episode about this, %!%+ is crazy
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Originally Posted by Young Handsome
Originally Posted by toine2983
Where the hell is that Drake gif from?
HYFR video
WTH is HYFR?
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All this %@*@!#+* about respecting religious beliefs is irrelevant. There was a child molested and there needed to be consequences for their actions. How do the Jews punish child molesters within their own community? If it doesn't measure up to the punishment that's dealt in the US legal system, then you'd be damn sure that I'd charge them outside of the religion too. If you think lightly of child molestation then %$%! you, I'd wish it on your children but the fact of the matter is that it's so horrible that I couldn't even bring myself to do that.
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Originally Posted by quik1987
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Yeah I saw that
But honestly, this has nothing to do with not agreeing with their religion. THESE PEOPLE ARE HURTING CHILDREN, AND PROTECTING PEOPLE WHO HURT CHILDREN! Most of you were up in arms when you saw the video of the Malaysian lady beating her baby, this is just as bad if not worse, because the people who are in authority are going out of their way to protect the molesters. It is the systematic raping and molesting of children
Im a religious man, but if anybody, Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Christian ect. hurts a child, ESPECIALLY sexually, then they are definitely deserving of judgement
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AND I SAY HELLLLL YEAH HELL YEAH HELL YEAH $+%!!@ RIGHT @+$$@+ RIGHT ALLLL RIGHTOriginally Posted by JACKEL56
Originally Posted by Young Handsome
Originally Posted by toine2983
Where the hell is that Drake gif from?
HYFR video
WTH is HYFR?
Sad stuff. A church in my area did the same thing. I really dont get the thought process of some religious folks when it comes to $%%* like this. Makes me sick
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