Originally Posted by
OnTheNephs
Phrenology and eugenics are a dark time in the history of the world masked with the ignorance of white supremacy and cultural relativism, but to assert that as your stance for not submitting to FACTS revealed elsewhere is ridiculous. At least over time they were subjected to PEER REVIEW (something religion doesn't use) and came to the conclusion that they were no longer valide source of information.
Yo I am not sure about Christianity, but I know in Islam everything in religion can go up for "peer review". The Azhar University in Cairo is always pursuing any falsifications. And on top of that the University it self is from 9th century, not that age has any importance, but surely they must have aquired massive manuscripts in all fields of study.
This is a meaningless comment. People don't only study islam. Its like people that go to historically catholic schools like Notre Dame. They don't only study christianity.
Its not about "islam" being up for peer review. Its a predominately islamic university. Muslims don't make advances in science, people in societies do.
If this worked the way you said it does, it wouldn't be a historically islamic school because nothing the quran says is scientifically supported. NOTHING.
A muslim creating algebra doesn't mean algebra is a sign of god. It just means that a person, who happened to be a a muslim, figured out modern algebra.
Originally Posted by odog24
people rarely mention islam in these debates
Muslims aren't as pressing of an issue in America, where most of this board lives.
They're no better or worse than christians though. I still consider them to be equally as illogical and holding irrational positions.
Originally Posted by RKO2004
Originally Posted by RKO2004
What do you mean what do kids learn in church?
Wait when did Public school become the church of evolution? Wouldn't it be better for the children to learn ALL the possibilities and not just 1? I chose God because the proof is in the pudding for me. Actually why would science cancel God out anyway? Never understood that.
Putty I don't know what EXACT effect God had. But I know what happened has helped many people through many different issues. Not just football.
I wouldn't say I have a direct line like I can just text God. But I do know faith is very powerful.
Precisely.
You don't know what effect god has but you still assert it had one...and you don't even have an inkling of a clue. God was pretty important in Tebow's performance, right? Since he went to the Super Bowl and all, right?...Nevermind that was Tom Brady.
You're a liar.
The smart thing to do would be to say "I don't know"
Stop making things up. Its less embarrassing when you get called out on it.
How am I a liar for saying God has had some kind of effect on Tim Tebow? I even said I don't know the exact effect but I believe he had one.
Tom has a point. God gave us certain things from jump. Tom Brady has been in the NFL a long time and has worked very hard to play at a top level. Maybe Tom's faith help him like its helped Tebow reach this level. Maybe with enough work Tebow will reach Tom's Level.
How am I a liar though?
You're a liar because you refuse to admit what you DO NOT KNOW, but assert that you DO know.
Believing something does NOT make it true. Stop saying what you believe. Only say what is supported. What you believe doesn't matter and shouldn't even be suggested since you can't prove it.
God didn't give Tom a damn thing.
He tosses around a football while a shocking portion of the world's population struggles to feed themselves every day.
Working hard doesn't mean god exists. Thats just working hard.
Originally Posted by
RKO2004
Originally Posted by
So Nyuh Shi Dae
Originally Posted by cap1229
You always have a choice. Always.
Not if you believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing creator.
Well a theory I have.
This is a transit map. Now what I'm thinking is that our lives are like this. Will can take many different routes to many different locations. With many different stops along the way. We choose what bus we get on. Sometimes on those buses we cross paths with people who we make a significant connection with.
Me for example. I started out working in a local chili restaurant. I didn't want to for many different reasons. I could have quit because I was treat poorly for some time. But I stayed on the bus long enough where I saw a new shopping mall (new job right upstairs. SAME BUILDING). I got off the bus I was on and got on another. Now this new bus has put me with some pretty influential people who may be able to get me to a even bigger and better mall. We'll see though. It's looking good though.
Hope this made a lick of sense
It doesn't make a lick of sense. You got a job because you went to a new place to look for a job? Well duh, you went to a new place.
Thats not god, that called diversity. Now you think god loves you since he puts you through hell and you choose to sit through it and lose your dignity and now hes let you meet "influential people"??...in a Chili's Restaurant?? Yeah Great work god.
Originally Posted by
RKO2004
Originally Posted by So Nyuh Shi Dae
I don't really disagree with what you're saying, but you're not providing an explanation for how god can be the creator of everything, know everything that his creation will ever do, and still allow for his creation to make its own choices.
God see's ALL. That doesn't mean he will control our lives. Had he wanted robots, couldn't he have just made them instead?
Because we had to create every thing to fix every problem god made. God is a lazy cancer on society that some how gets all the praise when things go right but never gets blamed when things go wrong.
Allow me to clarify. What I'm saying is that if god is all-powerful and all-knowing, free will cannot exist.
We still have free will to believe or not to. I chose God. That's free will.
God didn't make me. He left the chose up to me.
So if you have free will to believe then god will not NO problem with me not believing in it.
Originally Posted by Sighfur
These are my opinions.
As a child I was never forced to be religious. Nor did I understand the purpose of keeping Faith. Although both my parents are very faithful to their Religions (Mom is catholic, Dad is muslim).
As a teenager I started becoming much more of a "non-believer" ...more logical and science based.
In my early adult-hood, it was all science. Religion became a bit of a joke to me, once i was exposed to some of the ridiculous beliefs. But thats the very thing I now realize as I've gotten older. Its all about beliefs, no ones beliefs are "stupid" if thats what they believe in. Faith comes with discipline and being disciplined makes you a better person, we can all agree there.
Due to circumstances, hard-times, in my recent past.. I needed to rely on something. Something with more substance than science or religious scriptures, what I found was Faith. Not Faith in The Bible, or the Koran. But Faith in believing that there is one God, no matter what God is. Wether God is what religion describes God to be, or a al-mighty form of energy, or the Sun, or the Universe itself. All I know is that, When I desperately needed help, I asked God, and no matter if "God" or some devine being doesnt exsist. What DOES exsits is my Faith. Faith itself helped me to persevere, helped me to better myself and be successful. If you don't wanna believe in God, believe in yourself. Thats what Faith is all about. Religion is a code of conduct, just like the handouts they gave you in school. But Faith!.. Faith is the creator.
You needed the mental band aid of religion?
Thats all this was.
If you pick one religion, then you have to assert all the others are equally possible because none of them prove their claims in either direction.
