New Season Thread Made, Move on Over :)

[prada g]

OFF PAU/BYNAM/SESSIONS ASAP

beg/borrow/steal to put dwight howard in a lakers uniform

OFF EVERYONE. except KOBE

ron artest earned himself at least another year

 

[badboyf0life420]

i have a feeling mitch wont be back next season.. i bet he quits as GM.

 

[PatRiley]

Originally Posted by MR J 858

Originally Posted by heirjordan15

Originally Posted by MR J 858

One of the most idiotic posts here on NT which does not surprise me since the usual NT Laker HATERS & TROLLS are out tonight.

Even if the Lakers front office makes no moves this summer which I doubt will happen.

TNT showed the contract situation of the current roster and a lot of the big contracts (Gasol, Bynum, Kobe, Metta) all expire and come off the books in 2013-2014 summer.

LA & the Lakers will ALWAYS attract marquee free agents. Which that summer could very well include guys like Chris Paul, James Harden and other young talent.

Man I'm not even a hater, I'm a realist.  I respect the hell out of Kobe and will be the first one to tell you that he's one of the all time greats.  But of course you guys aren't going to agree with me saying trade Kobe, that's your boy.

If you are a realist like you claim to be.
Explain to me & the real NT Laker fans how Kobe is DONE & has ZERO chance at winning any more rings with the right role players & supporting cast built around him?

Kobe led the damn league for near damn the whole regular season and was overtaken by Durant because he sat out the final 7 games of the season.

Games 4 & 5 dude was playing great and went out gunning like any great player is suppose to do.

If Bynum & Gasol actually showed up to play these damn playoffs this past 2 post season runs the Lakers would have had a better chance at winning more championships.

Zero chance? No. Less than highly unlikely? Absolutely.  
The reasons why Bynum and Gasol don't show up stem from a frustration knowing that they should be more involved in the offense.  Laker fans are so quick to say "Trade Pau" or "Trade Drew" but you don't even think of what goes on behind the scenes, because all you're seeing is the game.  I guess I can't really blame you for that.  There is absolutely no one in that organization that can even dare to check Kobe.  Last time I checked, 5 guys are on the floor at once, not one.  That's why hiring Mike Brown was a huge mistake, as many of you know, because deep down Kobe thinks (and I agree with him) that he knows more about the game than Mike Brown.  Pau and Drew both know that Kobe is a better player than them, but not good enough to take shots when he's triple teamed like it's nothing.  Pau and Drew are both top 5 centers in the league.  So you have a top-2 SG, and 2/5 best centers in the league.  Your team is way too top heavy.  Even the Heat are top heavy, but everyone knows when Pat Riley walks through the door to shut their pie hole and listen up, because Riley will shove his championship rings down your throat until you call him daddy Riles.

 

[itsabaythang]

Originally Posted by Pill Clinton

Crazy how much people flip-flop..I understand Bynum and his attitude but this man had a monster season, and all of you were on his wagon.

That's how laker riders work.  They hop on as quickly as they hop off.  
Bynum is that dude though, ever since he took that 3 in Golden State.  "I dont care.  I'll play anywhere."  

 

 

[grittyman20]

I really need to think about this, but right now it's too soon

 

[kenji714]

Originally Posted by heirjordan15

Originally Posted by MR J 858

Originally Posted by heirjordan15

Man I'm not even a hater, I'm a realist.  I respect the hell out of Kobe and will be the first one to tell you that he's one of the all time greats.  But of course you guys aren't going to agree with me saying trade Kobe, that's your boy.

If you are a realist like you claim to be.
Explain to me & the real NT Laker fans how Kobe is DONE & has ZERO chance at winning any more rings with the right role players & supporting cast built around him?

Kobe led the damn league for near damn the whole regular season and was overtaken by Durant because he sat out the final 7 games of the season.

Games 4 & 5 dude was playing great and went out gunning like any great player is suppose to do.

If Bynum & Gasol actually showed up to play these damn playoffs this past 2 post season runs the Lakers would have had a better chance at winning more championships.

Zero chance? No. Less than highly unlikely? Absolutely.  
The reasons why Bynum and Gasol don't show up stem from a frustration knowing that they should be more involved in the offense.  Laker fans are so quick to say "Trade Pau" or "Trade Drew" but you don't even think of what goes on behind the scenes, because all you're seeing is the game.  I guess I can't really blame you for that.  There is absolutely no one in that organization that can even dare to check Kobe.  Last time I checked, 5 guys are on the floor at once, not one.  That's why hiring Mike Brown was a huge mistake, as many of you know, because deep down Kobe thinks (and I agree with him) that he knows more about the game than Mike Brown.  Pau and Drew both know that Kobe is a better player than them, but not good enough to take shots when he's triple teamed like it's nothing.  Pau and Drew are both top 5 centers in the league.  So you have a top-2 SG, and 2/5 best centers in the league.  Your team is way too top heavy.  Even the Heat are top heavy, but everyone knows when Pat Riley walks through the door to shut their pie hole and listen up, because Riley will shove his championship rings down your throat until you call him daddy Riles.

WRONG bud

They got plenty of touches on offense buddy. Actually they're the first who get the ball in the post. They just don't know what to do with the ball when they got bodied by 6'8, 6'9 no name power forwards.

Bynum suppose to over power his opponent on the board. Gasol suppose to put the ball down and drove to the rim and be aggressive .
What they do ? They give the ball back to Kobe with 5 seconds left of the clock and ask him to take tough shots

WATCH THE GAME PLEASE

 

[laker4lifeman]

https://twitter.com/#!/KevinDing

KEVIN DING

 

[mr j 858]

Originally Posted by Pill Clinton

Crazy how much people flip-flop..I understand Bynum and his attitude but this man had a monster season, and all of you were on his wagon.

There is nothing D12 can do that Bynum can't. Shipping 'Drew out would be stupid. Now, Pau is a different story.


Fire Mike Brown, get a point guard and some decent/good role players. A few of them.

Nah man your missing this important point:
Bynum acting stupid & immature on & off the court is NOWHERE near how young Kobe was when Shaq was here.

Kobe was doing that because he wanted control of the team and wanted to lead Laker teams to championships as the main guy. 

Bynum just does his stupid crap for no reason. Seriously all dude cares about is his car collection and putting up great stats and getting a FAT contract extension.

Not once in any interviews or post game conference has Bynum ever shown he wants to be a leader and take over the Lakers after Kobe is retired.

Ever since Bynum has been here almost everyone has questioned his HEART & FIRE.

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by PMatic

What does getting Dwight Howard do for the Lakers when the rest of the team is slow and can't shoot?

Defense alone Dwight plays harder/moves better nightly than Drew.  Lose a smidge on offense, but he'll show for 82 games a year and at least try and be active. 

He'll also help on P&R defense.  Alot better than Drew does.  Drew hangs back and attempts to raise up to alter the shot, Dwight can come all the way out, and still turn and recover while still blocking plenty of shots. 

 

[thehealthinspector]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by PMatic

What does getting Dwight Howard do for the Lakers when the rest of the team is slow and can't shoot?

Defense alone Dwight plays harder/moves better nightly than Drew.  Lose a smidge on offense, but he'll show for 82 games a year and at least try and be active. 

He'll also help on P&R defense.  Alot better than Drew does.  Drew hangs back and attempts to raise up to alter the shot, Dwight can come all the way out, and still turn and recover while still blocking plenty of shots. 

a smidge on offense?  im not exactly sure drew is a better offensive player than dwight

so many times these last few games, when bynum was doubled/tripled and felt he was out of options, instead of kicking out he would just toss it up

  so many times

i think the biggest thing is heart/hunger/determination, dwight may be just as big a diva in the media but im willing to bet his hunger for a ring is far beyond bynums

also..... drew + pau + whoever... for... dwight, big baby, jrich

edit - ill take jrichs shooting over reddick any day, lakers also need defense from their big men

 

[laker4lifeman]

Originally Posted by TheHealthInspector

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by PMatic

What does getting Dwight Howard do for the Lakers when the rest of the team is slow and can't shoot?

Defense alone Dwight plays harder/moves better nightly than Drew.  Lose a smidge on offense, but he'll show for 82 games a year and at least try and be active. 

He'll also help on P&R defense.  Alot better than Drew does.  Drew hangs back and attempts to raise up to alter the shot, Dwight can come all the way out, and still turn and recover while still blocking plenty of shots. 

a smidge on offense?  im not exactly sure drew is a better offensive player than dwight

so many times these last few games, when bynum was doubled/tripled and felt he was out of options, instead of kicking out he would just toss it up

  so many times

i think the biggest thing is heart/hunger/determination, dwight may be just as big a diva in the media but im willing to bet his hunger for a ring is far beyond bynums

also..... drew + pau + whoever... for... dwight, big baby, jrich Ryan,Redick

We need shooters.

 

[CP1708]

Drew is better than Dwight offensively without question.  That sweeping across the lane long *%$ step semi hook shot + lobs does not equal Bynum's choppy always traveling without getting called footwork in the paint or hook either with with BOTH hands plus his range out to 10 feet that he thinks is good for 22 feet, but whatever.  Bynum is the better offensive player, however Dwight can and will go for more offensive boards/putbacks, so it may not seem like it. 

 

[pmatic]

Ideally it would be great to acquire/improve both dimensions, but if you could only pick one; Athleticism or shooting?

 

[MVP]

Athleticism for me, we HAVE to get younger on the perimeter and be able to defend these super quick wing players. Shooting can always be worked on and improved. We've won with pretty average to poor shooting before, but if the philosophy of how the offense is being ran changes, ie get a real offense and not have Kobe be offensive coordinator then we may need the shooting more.

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by PMatic

Ideally it would be great to acquire/improve both dimensions, but if you could only pick one; Athleticism or shooting?

Shooting.  Ball needs to go in the bucket + shooting creates space.  No shooting = 5 defenders in or around the lane.  What point is athleticism then? 

 

[laker4lifeman]

We already have 7 pages

it hasn't even been 5 hours.

Any chance that we can get Terry?

 

[thehealthinspector]

shooting, these last two years teams have challenged the lakers to make shots and theyve failed.... its not going to stop

^  no, shooting cant always be worked on and improved... otherwise they could just take their current perimeter players and improve their shooting

i dont think the lakers needed more athleticism to beat okc, they needed people who can make shots... kobe was probably the only guy who hit shots consistently over the series

edit - youre describing something like the current Orlando Magic where theres dwight and four 3 pt shooters, thats not what im talking about by "shooters" - im talking about people who can make midrange jumpers... dont know where youre getting the warriors and the suns from

 

[mr j 858]

With the current core of this team with Kobe,Bynum, and Pau.

Just adding shooters will NOT make the Lakers title contenders again.

Seriously some of you guys are thinking & posting like we can suddenly become a uptempo, outside & 3 point shooting team like how the Warriors & Suns have played for the past decade.

That offensive system is fun to watch but will NOT win championships.

The only team in league history to successfully win championships with a run & gun style offense was the 80's Showtime Lakers which worked when those teams were built with 5 or more Hall Of Fame Player and the greatest PG to ever play the game.

 

[pmatic]

The Mavs rode hot shooting (and great defense) all the way to winning the Finals last season. The Spurs look like they are on their way this season. Re-configuring the offense (save the jokes

) and adding shooters would go a long ways.

 

[presequel]

this i do not like. but move on we must.

pau wants to be here.

andrew does not care.

we wont get any value for pau, we tried this year already, it gets worse in the offseason.

we can only move bynum for value. he has amazing talent but he wont put it together. i love him when hes on but i think he has to go. whether or not jim buss can do that, doubtful.

 

[mr j 858]

Originally Posted by PMatic

The Mavs rode hot shooting (and great defense) all the way to winning the Finals last season. The Spurs look like they are on their way this season. Re-configuring the offense (save the jokes

) and adding shooters would go a long ways.

Both the Spurs & Mavs were built around PF & Centers with Dirk & Tim Duncan and great PG's in Tony Parker & Jason Kidd.

Not just hot shooting and great shooters or 3 point specialists. 

 

[saintvitus07]

41 minutes with 0 assists. That's hard to defend when you're a guard. Kobe wasn't the reason they lost, but he wasn't any answer, either. If it weren't for the no-trade clause I am not sure why most Lakers fans aren't asking themselves what they could get for Kobe on the market.

 

[mco85]

I think Bynum is getting a bad rap. I wouldn't say dude doesn't care about winning, he played on one leg to help bring the lakers a championship. He is just frustrated IMO, this offense and this team makes it hard for him to flourish, he needs to be paired with a PF like Brandon Bass. With this team every time Bynum gets going, teams can front him and send a double team from who ever is guarding Gasol, and the team never really figured out how to counter that.

 

[presequel]

hes untradable even if they wanted to. no one would absorb that contract.

also, even if he was making half what he is making, it would make no different in terms of the cap, we would still be over....so before ya'll who come in and say he should take a pay cut (he cant, restructuring contracts in the nba isnt possible) or argue that he should never have gotten that much...it does not matter.

 

[rexanglorum]

People need to ride out the mass hysteria and emotions and realize that radical roster moves are not favorable.

Pau Gasol is the most skilled and well rounded big man in the NBA. Andrew Bynum can have a bad attitude but he is a beast who can get 30 boards or 10 blocks. Kobe Bryant was able to almost win the scoring title despite having a busted shooting hand. MPW, after he lost weight that he gained while injured, played good and physical defense. Ramon Sessions is a great athlete who simply did not have time to adjust to brand new system in the middle of a compressed season.

We should stay with those five players, stay with Mike Brown and see how we do with a full training camp and a full season. We need to see how the core group of players play when they have an entrenched and coherent offensive and defensive system.

Obviously, we should welcome some change. If we could get Steve Nash on the cheap, we should embrace that. If we can pick up some athletic and/or physical role players, that would be great. What I do not want to see is management trading one or both of the seven footers so we can pick up a flashy perimeter player. Kobe plus an elite point guard plus a front line full of scrubs equals high scores and no rings.


Blowing up the roster might feel good and cathartic in July of 2012 but being patient and improving from within and winning a title in June of 2013 would feel much better.