Official 2012 San Francisco 49ers Offseason Thread

[100proof]

never heard of the kid but "in Baalke I trust"

peace out kyle williams. you bum

As for Moss he has no guaranteed money, so the niners could cut him ANY time during the season if they wanted. I can't see him getting cut before the season though.




 

 

[bigtimejerky]

This is what they needed... Speed at WR. Davis brings the size at TE and we needed someone as a deep threat. If he is as fast as the front office and scouts are saying he is, it's a good pick. Honestly, our roster was good enough to win it last year.. Niners are just adding depth at this point.

 

[bigtimejerky]

This is what they needed... Speed at WR. Davis brings the size at TE and we needed someone as a deep threat. If he is as fast as the front office and scouts are saying he is, it's a good pick. Honestly, our roster was good enough to win it last year.. Niners are just adding depth at this point.

 

[niketalker23]

1) Describing the player by the round he should be taken. Walsh hated hearing a scout tell him a player was, for example, not a good second-rounder, but a great third-rounder. He always said the only time people talk about rounds is in draft preparation and on draft day. Never during any player's career, Walsh would vent, does anyone say a player was picked in the right round. The day after the draft, every player is graded on his playing performance, not his selection round. Walsh only cared about what a player would be able to do for his team. He thought "round talk" was the wrong way for a scout to measure his own abilities. It was not talent evaluation, but rather round prediction. When I was in Cleveland, we had a scout who would rarely say much before the draft. When asked a question before draft day, he was vague, unwilling to commit to an opinion, almost sheepish. He refused to extend himself, always playing it safe. However, once the draft was over, he instantly become a new man. He'd sit in the draft room, review every team's pick and grade his work based on his round predictions, as if that was the true litmus test. I can still see him sitting there, looking like he just aced the exam. Walsh always told everyone: It never matters where we pick them, it only matters how they play. If Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill goes eighth overall to the Dolphins and plays great, no one is going to remember where he was taken, just that he produces on the field. If he stinks, it will be a blown pick, regardless of where it occurred.
 

3) "We should trade down -- there is no one worth picking at our spot." Even though Walsh loved to move up or down, he felt that scouts always wanted to trade down to avoid putting their reputations on the line. He didn't like scouts shying away from making the tough call when he had to make tough calls all the time. He would ask scouts/personnel directors: "What do you want us to do: Pass on the pick?" When the cost of draft picks soared in prior years, moving down was a great option. But with the new collective bargaining agreement's reduced rookie pay scale, it is not as financially dangerous to just make the pick. Walsh believed there was always someone worth picking, because three years from any draft, people will look back at the great players in the league who were passed over by a number of teams. Once again, Walsh was all about the talent, not the spot.

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[niketalker23]

1) Describing the player by the round he should be taken. Walsh hated hearing a scout tell him a player was, for example, not a good second-rounder, but a great third-rounder. He always said the only time people talk about rounds is in draft preparation and on draft day. Never during any player's career, Walsh would vent, does anyone say a player was picked in the right round. The day after the draft, every player is graded on his playing performance, not his selection round. Walsh only cared about what a player would be able to do for his team. He thought "round talk" was the wrong way for a scout to measure his own abilities. It was not talent evaluation, but rather round prediction. When I was in Cleveland, we had a scout who would rarely say much before the draft. When asked a question before draft day, he was vague, unwilling to commit to an opinion, almost sheepish. He refused to extend himself, always playing it safe. However, once the draft was over, he instantly become a new man. He'd sit in the draft room, review every team's pick and grade his work based on his round predictions, as if that was the true litmus test. I can still see him sitting there, looking like he just aced the exam. Walsh always told everyone: It never matters where we pick them, it only matters how they play. If Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill goes eighth overall to the Dolphins and plays great, no one is going to remember where he was taken, just that he produces on the field. If he stinks, it will be a blown pick, regardless of where it occurred.
 

3) "We should trade down -- there is no one worth picking at our spot." Even though Walsh loved to move up or down, he felt that scouts always wanted to trade down to avoid putting their reputations on the line. He didn't like scouts shying away from making the tough call when he had to make tough calls all the time. He would ask scouts/personnel directors: "What do you want us to do: Pass on the pick?" When the cost of draft picks soared in prior years, moving down was a great option. But with the new collective bargaining agreement's reduced rookie pay scale, it is not as financially dangerous to just make the pick. Walsh believed there was always someone worth picking, because three years from any draft, people will look back at the great players in the league who were passed over by a number of teams. Once again, Walsh was all about the talent, not the spot.

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[glasses]

As for Moss he has no guaranteed money, so the niners could cut him ANY time during the season if they wanted. I can't see him getting cut before the season though.

 

Because he doesn't have a signing bonus. So if he doesn't show any signs of the old Moss they can cut him before the season starts and it won't cost them anything.

Thanks. Would hate for that to happen. He deserves another crack at redemption and would fit perfect for the redzone offense with his height/hands

 

[glasses]

As for Moss he has no guaranteed money, so the niners could cut him ANY time during the season if they wanted. I can't see him getting cut before the season though.

 

Because he doesn't have a signing bonus. So if he doesn't show any signs of the old Moss they can cut him before the season starts and it won't cost them anything.

Thanks. Would hate for that to happen. He deserves another crack at redemption and would fit perfect for the redzone offense with his height/hands

 

[100proof]

     
SANTA CLARA -- His name is not Stephen Hill. His name is not Rueben Randle.

And, no, his name is not Coby Fleener.

His name is Alfred Alonzo Jenkins -- or A.J. Jenkins.

And he is the pass-catcher the 49ers caught with the No. 30 overall pick in the NFL draft on Thursday.

I'd love to be able to tell you it was a good pick or it was a bad pick. But, come on, that would be silly.

It's nearly impossible to evaluate a wide receiver without having access to the all-22 coaches film that NFL teams use to evaluate prospects. And it would be ridiculous to criticize the team's first-round pick for a second year in a row.

If you recall, there were plenty of skeptics after the 49ers used the No. 7 overall pick last April to chose a defensive player by the name of Aldon Smith. That one didn't work out too poorly.

Currently, I'm of the opinion that perhaps -- just perhaps -- coach Jim Harbaugh, general manager Trent Baalke and his scouting department have a decent handle on the 2012 draft class.

But A.J. Jenkins at No. 30? Surely, they could've taken up the Minnesota Vikings on their offer and moved back five picks to the third selection of Day 2.

But there was only one problem: The 49ers did not want to take the chance of losing Jenkins.

"If you like the player, take them because if you don't take them and you trade back, you may not like the outcome," Baalke said.

"That was something last year with Aldon. Had we traded back, we would've lost Aldon. If we would have gone back two spots last year, we would have lost him. That sticks in your mind when you're sitting in the chair that I sit in. If you like the player, take him."

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported the Rams liked Jenkins so much that his grade wasn't much different than the one their scouting department placed on Justin Blackmon, whom the Jacksonville Jaguars selected with the fifth overall pick. The Rams were expected to take Jenkins with the first pick of the second round, according to the report.

Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported that one receiver-needy team had Jenkins rated higher than Notre Dame's Michael Floyd, whom the Arizona Cardinals selected with the 13th overall pick.

It's entirely possible that Jenkins does not make much of a contribution as a rookie. He is 6-foot, 190 pounds. Jenkins has tremendous speed -- an area at which the 49ers were clearly lacking last season. But he lacks strength and has to improve his blocking.

Randy Moss is under contract to the 49ers for one year. But, of course, there is no guarantee that Moss will make it that one season. Moss is 35. He did not play last season. And the last year he played, 2010, he wasn't very good. The 49ers signed Moss without giving him any guaranteed money.

Jenkins' most realistic hope for significant playing time as a first-year player is to beat out Moss.

And even if Jenkins is the No. 5 receiver -- Ted Ginn will be the fourth receiver to suit up because of his play on special teams -- this is a move that gives the 49ers a wide receiver who figures to be with the team for a while. Jenkins will sign a four-year contract with a non-negotiable fifth-year option.

Ginn signed a one-year deal, while Mario Manningham left the New York Giants to sign a two-year contract with the 49ers. Michael Crabtree is signed through the 2014 season.

The 49ers were decimated at the receiver position last year for the NFC championship game. This is a signal that the 49ers never want to be in that situation again.

Jenkins capped his college career with a 90-reception, 1,276-yard season that included eight touchdowns as a senior.

What made Jenkins' final season more remarkable is that Illinois had a less-than prolific passing game. Jenkins accounted for more than half of the team's passing game. The Illini threw for only 2,392 yards and 14 touchdowns on the season.

"This is the guy we targeted and wanted to get," 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh said.

 

[100proof]

     
SANTA CLARA -- His name is not Stephen Hill. His name is not Rueben Randle.

And, no, his name is not Coby Fleener.

His name is Alfred Alonzo Jenkins -- or A.J. Jenkins.

And he is the pass-catcher the 49ers caught with the No. 30 overall pick in the NFL draft on Thursday.

I'd love to be able to tell you it was a good pick or it was a bad pick. But, come on, that would be silly.

It's nearly impossible to evaluate a wide receiver without having access to the all-22 coaches film that NFL teams use to evaluate prospects. And it would be ridiculous to criticize the team's first-round pick for a second year in a row.

If you recall, there were plenty of skeptics after the 49ers used the No. 7 overall pick last April to chose a defensive player by the name of Aldon Smith. That one didn't work out too poorly.

Currently, I'm of the opinion that perhaps -- just perhaps -- coach Jim Harbaugh, general manager Trent Baalke and his scouting department have a decent handle on the 2012 draft class.

But A.J. Jenkins at No. 30? Surely, they could've taken up the Minnesota Vikings on their offer and moved back five picks to the third selection of Day 2.

But there was only one problem: The 49ers did not want to take the chance of losing Jenkins.

"If you like the player, take them because if you don't take them and you trade back, you may not like the outcome," Baalke said.

"That was something last year with Aldon. Had we traded back, we would've lost Aldon. If we would have gone back two spots last year, we would have lost him. That sticks in your mind when you're sitting in the chair that I sit in. If you like the player, take him."

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported the Rams liked Jenkins so much that his grade wasn't much different than the one their scouting department placed on Justin Blackmon, whom the Jacksonville Jaguars selected with the fifth overall pick. The Rams were expected to take Jenkins with the first pick of the second round, according to the report.

Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported that one receiver-needy team had Jenkins rated higher than Notre Dame's Michael Floyd, whom the Arizona Cardinals selected with the 13th overall pick.

It's entirely possible that Jenkins does not make much of a contribution as a rookie. He is 6-foot, 190 pounds. Jenkins has tremendous speed -- an area at which the 49ers were clearly lacking last season. But he lacks strength and has to improve his blocking.

Randy Moss is under contract to the 49ers for one year. But, of course, there is no guarantee that Moss will make it that one season. Moss is 35. He did not play last season. And the last year he played, 2010, he wasn't very good. The 49ers signed Moss without giving him any guaranteed money.

Jenkins' most realistic hope for significant playing time as a first-year player is to beat out Moss.

And even if Jenkins is the No. 5 receiver -- Ted Ginn will be the fourth receiver to suit up because of his play on special teams -- this is a move that gives the 49ers a wide receiver who figures to be with the team for a while. Jenkins will sign a four-year contract with a non-negotiable fifth-year option.

Ginn signed a one-year deal, while Mario Manningham left the New York Giants to sign a two-year contract with the 49ers. Michael Crabtree is signed through the 2014 season.

The 49ers were decimated at the receiver position last year for the NFC championship game. This is a signal that the 49ers never want to be in that situation again.

Jenkins capped his college career with a 90-reception, 1,276-yard season that included eight touchdowns as a senior.

What made Jenkins' final season more remarkable is that Illinois had a less-than prolific passing game. Jenkins accounted for more than half of the team's passing game. The Illini threw for only 2,392 yards and 14 touchdowns on the season.

"This is the guy we targeted and wanted to get," 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh said.

 

[deuce king]

Like other have stated, I was surpised that we picked up a WR, but I'm sure the front office knows what they are doing.  Hopefully we pick up some linemen later.

I'll give you Aldon Smith, but PWillis was well known coming out of Ole Miss
Agreed.  Anyone with any talent that plays in the SEC is or should be well known.

 

[deuce king]

Like other have stated, I was surpised that we picked up a WR, but I'm sure the front office knows what they are doing.  Hopefully we pick up some linemen later.

I'll give you Aldon Smith, but PWillis was well known coming out of Ole Miss
Agreed.  Anyone with any talent that plays in the SEC is or should be well known.

 

[my hustle so russell]

From the highlights I saw Jenkins can shape out to be a Victor Cruz type receiver

 

[my hustle so russell]

From the highlights I saw Jenkins can shape out to be a Victor Cruz type receiver

 

[thetruth03]

You guys must have forgot that we had Brett Swain as our 2nd WR in the NFC championship game.

Even with the acquisitions of Moss and manningham we still need a WR. Tedd Ginn is a return specialist. And Moss would be lucky to stay around for 2 seasons..

This gives up 3-4 legitimate play making WR's.

RG, DL depth, and corner should be addressed tonight and saturday..

Man this squad is gonna be stacked once kaepernick is ready

 

[thetruth03]

You guys must have forgot that we had Brett Swain as our 2nd WR in the NFC championship game.

Even with the acquisitions of Moss and manningham we still need a WR. Tedd Ginn is a return specialist. And Moss would be lucky to stay around for 2 seasons..

This gives up 3-4 legitimate play making WR's.

RG, DL depth, and corner should be addressed tonight and saturday..

Man this squad is gonna be stacked once kaepernick is ready

 

[crunchyblack9]

Alex makes the new Nike Uni commercial. 

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[crunchyblack9]

Alex makes the new Nike Uni commercial. 

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[periwinkle]

I remember during that draft I wanted Brady Quinn look how that ended up

 

[periwinkle]

I remember during that draft I wanted Brady Quinn look how that ended up

 

[ii flash ii]

 

[ii flash ii]

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

Alex makes the new Nike Uni commercial. 

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Well, I think he's the only significant Nike athlete on the team. So he won by default. 

 Although I wanted Hill, I trust in this management to make the right moves. 

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by CrunchyBlack9

Alex makes the new Nike Uni commercial. 

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Well, I think he's the only significant Nike athlete on the team. So he won by default. 

 Although I wanted Hill, I trust in this management to make the right moves. 

 

[chris82790]

LaMichael James second round pick.

 

[chris82790]

LaMichael James second round pick.